There are a lotta nuts on here
MrsMurphy

Melrose Park, IL

#9665 Feb 8, 2013
The New Testament God has set up his torture chamber where there can be no escape, where death cannot be a welcome release. Everlasting torture, eternal burning; this terrible belief, this evil everlasting injustice, has become the heart and foundation of the Christian religion. People believe, NOT through reason, NOT through any desire to goodness or piety, NOT through any hope of making the world better, or mankind better, or themselves better, but through FEAR--simple, devastating, mind-numbing FEAR. They believe because they are afraid to think, afraid to question. They keep their minds as little children--afraid to be adult men and women. They believe simply because they are afraid not to believe!

Those who believe in hell can never know truth, for they are blinded by fear. The idea of hell was invented to establish a religious dictatorship and those who believe live under a tyranny far greater than any human tyrant could ever establish. They believe they are always under the eye of the tyrant! They believe their every word is recorded, their every action noted, even their innermost thoughts are known and judged by their cruel master of endless, unmerciful punishment. To such believers every act and thought is the result of fear. They are to be pitied.

That terrible dogma of hell has destroyed the very foundations of morality. The basic force of morality is "the power of sympathy"; feeling the hurt of others--and caring. The dogma of hell has destroyed that foundation. The mother, it is believed, could sit joyfully in heaven for all eternity and watch her wayward son or daughter burning and suffering in hell.

I detest a belief that can make people so heartless. I could never be a Christian! I could never be happy in a heaven knowing there are people suffering in a hell. I have great sympathy for people, their pain, their suffering, their feelings, their losses, and their hopes.

I deny that hell exists! I deny that a vengeful God exists! And I deny that any book that tells the lie that such a gross, everlasting injustice as hell exists could be the word of God! infidel.org

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#9666 Feb 8, 2013
MrsMurphy wrote:
Today Christian history tells us one truth: Those who have murdered will also lie!
Unless you are a dedicated scholar of American history, you do not know that Deism was the direct rejection, and refutation, of the Christian Bible, the Christian religion, and the Christian God; You do not know that George Washington "was the leading statesman who advocated total separation of state and church and who saw to it that no reference to Christianity or even Deity was made in the Constitution" (The Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Vol. 2). You do not know that the first freedom the Constitution was meant to establish is the freedom from religion. That Thomas Jefferson was a Deist and advised his young nephew to "question with boldness even the existence of a god" (Letter to Peter Carr, Aug. 10, 1787, "Deism in the United States," pp. 222-34.) You do not know that the outspoken Deist Thomas Paine, did more to make the United States of America a free and separate nation than any other American. And you do not know a thousand other facts of American history that disprove Christian claims; facts that would keep America free.
You do not need to be a scholar to know that fundamentalist Christianity, and the forces of Bible superstition are attacking the very roots of our nation's freedom today.
And yet Christians call the Bible "the word of God," and themselves "moral."
History has proved again and again that personal morality cannot survive where people believe in divine forgiveness, believe in the Bible delusion that some "higher power" can remove the guilt from the guilty, without removing the wrong from the victim.
Religion always claims that immorality springs from a lack of religion, but the facts prove just the opposite. Christianity has never been stronger in the United States than it is today. Christians have churches in every community, they monopolize radio and television time with religious propaganda. They have forced their religion into our government, into our laws and into our lives. They have silenced all opposing facts and opinions. They are constantly acquiring more and more power, more and more property and more and more wealth. Yet they have not the basic morality to pay their honest taxes.
At the same time that Christianity has been growing every richer and ever more powerful, taxes have risen higher and higher, poverty and hunger have increased, the crime rate has been climbing ever higher and ever faster, the aged are afraid to leave their homes; narcotics have become a national plague, and our nation has been involved in more wars and international conflicts than at any time in its history.
How do Christians gain power again and again after failing constantly to establish peace, progress, prosperity and morality?
Their technique is very simple. They call their Bible "the word of God" and themselves "moral."
We must not allow organized ignorance to destroy this great nation of ours. The American people must be made aware of one simple fact:
The Bible is not, AND CANNOT BE, "the word of God." infidels.org
You are a pathetic unbelieving child of Satan. You will burn Hell forever.
MrsMurphy

Melrose Park, IL

#9667 Feb 8, 2013
Today we must find a new way of thinking.
We can no longer stick our heads into the sands of superstition and hope "God" will protect us; that hope has failed too often. Those who study the facts of history know that. Those who knew the Bible was not "the word of God" brought about the Renaissance and saved humanity from the Dark Ages;
Those who knew the Bible was not "the word of God" had the wisdom to establish America as a free nation;
Those who knew the Bible is not "the word of God" have given us every great advance in science and reason;
And those who know the Bible is not "the word of God" are the only ones who can lead mankind to peace and human survival.
The Bible and all the other so-called "holy books" are of the past. If humanity cannot outgrow these barbaric relics that divide us and cause so much hate, we cannot hope to have a future. We cannot hope to survive another generation!
If mankind survives, future generations will know this age as "the age of propaganda," the age of hate for opinion's sake. Future generations will marvel that our age, with its modern technology and great wealth of solid scientific learning, could remain rooted in the primitive fables of past ages; they will marvel that we could not see the evil and danger of worshipping an historic failure.
If mankind survives this religious age, future generations will look upon our instruments of war and doubt our sanity, just as we look upon the torture instruments of a past religious age and doubt their sanity.
Already the delusion that the Bible is "the word of God" has dangerously corrupted America's rightful purpose in the world.
The overabundance of religious propaganda in America today would lead us to believe that the primary purpose of this nation is the preservation and expansion of the Christian religion. But that is not true.
Our nation is not, and must not become, the battleship of the Christian religion. Our struggle in the world is in defense of LIBERTY. To preserve our own, and, if possible, to help others gain and keep theirs.
This nation is not fighting "Godless Atheism" nor "Atheistic Communism," nor any other group or nation that has had Christian hate terms applied to them.
We, as a nation, are opposed to Communism because Communism, like Christianity, is an ideological force that is destructive to human rights and freedom. It is, in fact, none of our business whether another nation, or another individual, believes in a God or not. Our only concern is that every individual must have the liberty to decide just what he, or she, can and will believe. And that they have the freedom to express, publish and pursue those beliefs in perfect safety.
www.infidels.org/library/modern/emmett_fields...
MrsMurphy

Melrose Park, IL

#9668 Feb 8, 2013
In short, our only concern in the world is exactly those ideals that this great nation of ours was originally founded upon.

Such a statement is in no way a concession to Communism. It is a statement of our determination to be, and to remain, a free people. Those who have tasted real freedom can never return to the mental slavery of an oppressive belief. It is entirely correct to say:

"I would rather be dead than Christian or red."

When George Washington was president in 1796 he wrote "a treaty of peace and friendship" with Tripoli. That treaty reads "As the government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; it has, in itself, no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity of the Musselmen (Muslims)... no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

That treaty, signed into law by President John Adams, proves the Founding Fathers recognized religion to be the source of hate and war. It also proves the United States was not, is not, and must not become, a Christian nation.

Why can we not write a treaty today that has the great wisdom that was put into the treaty with Tripoli? Why can we not say to Russia: "As the Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; it has, in itself, no character of enmity against the Laws, Religion, or Tranquillity of the Communists (Atheists)... no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

Such a treaty today would remove the main source of hate and we could get on with the business of understanding each other and establishing a hope for peace and human survival.

The greatest obstacle to our peace and survival is the foolish, irrational, delusion that the Bible is "the word of God."

If we are to save our children and our world we must accept the fact that the Bible is not the word of God.

www.infidels.org/library/modern/emmett_fields ...

dollarsbill

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#9669 Feb 8, 2013
MrsMurphy wrote:
In short, our only concern in the world is exactly those ideals that this great nation of ours was originally founded upon.
Such a statement is in no way a concession to Communism. It is a statement of our determination to be, and to remain, a free people. Those who have tasted real freedom can never return to the mental slavery of an oppressive belief. It is entirely correct to say:
"I would rather be dead than Christian or red."
When George Washington was president in 1796 he wrote "a treaty of peace and friendship" with Tripoli. That treaty reads "As the government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; it has, in itself, no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity of the Musselmen (Muslims)... no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
That treaty, signed into law by President John Adams, proves the Founding Fathers recognized religion to be the source of hate and war. It also proves the United States was not, is not, and must not become, a Christian nation.
Why can we not write a treaty today that has the great wisdom that was put into the treaty with Tripoli? Why can we not say to Russia: "As the Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; it has, in itself, no character of enmity against the Laws, Religion, or Tranquillity of the Communists (Atheists)... no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
Such a treaty today would remove the main source of hate and we could get on with the business of understanding each other and establishing a hope for peace and human survival.
The greatest obstacle to our peace and survival is the foolish, irrational, delusion that the Bible is "the word of God."
If we are to save our children and our world we must accept the fact that the Bible is not the word of God.
www.infidels.org/library/modern/emmett_fields ...
You will burn in Hell forever. You are Biblically illiterate.
MrsMurphy

Melrose Park, IL

#9670 Feb 8, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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You will burn in Hell forever. You are Biblically illiterate.
Many evangelical Christians are biblically illiterate

By Don Koenig

Frankly, calling oneself an Evangelical or even a born again Christian just does not mean much anymore. Most who call themselves Evangelicals have never once read God's word from cover to cover so how could they possibly know what the Bible teaches. Even when Bible study is done many now just read paraphrased versions which is not God's word at all. Paraphrased versions are just someone's best opinion about what the Bible said through their own preconceived theology. The Evangelical Church for the most part has unfortunately become biblically illiterate. Most people in the United States for good reason have been called genuine biblical idiots.

Those that attend most churches usually just believe what their pastors and leaders tell them about their beliefs rather then learning for themselves what the Bible actually teaches. Since few are being Bereans (Act 17:11) and few check out the scriptures against the teaching of evangelical leaders we now see a hodgepodge of movements that have no real foundation in scripture. One large movement is the "purpose driven" seeker friendly church growth movement that dumbs down Christianity and takes the message of salvation out of its Sunday services. In most of the churches that have bought into this movement there is no teaching on Sunday about the death and resurrection of Jesus on the cross to pay for man's sin. There is no teaching on Sunday on even why salvation through Jesus is required to be acceptable to God and there is no teaching at all about His return. I wrote about this seeker-friendly movement in three of my articles. It is the fastest growing phenomenon of this generation but its teachings are based on pop psychology, man's self worth, and socialist humanism. This distorted and dumbed down Christianity has now produced a new generation of young "Christians" who think that all truth is relative and that the foundational truths of Christianity need to be reexamined in the darkness of man's own reason. This movement is called the Emerging or Emergent Church movement and it is now taking much of Evangelical Christianity into apostasy.

thepropheticyears.com
MrsMurphy

Melrose Park, IL

#9671 Feb 8, 2013
All this is happening because even in many conservative "Bible churches" there are few that have read the Bible and even fewer who can properly discern to whom the scripture were written or why the passage needs to be understood in the context of the passage or in the light of other scriptures.

The few that have read the Bible are usually the older people in the church. The x-generation and the baby boomer generation would rather just learn about Christianity by going through someone else's book. They buy a book written by some Christian Guru, form a group and then call it a bible study. They trust the Gurus to teach them what is true and never check them out against any real version of the Bible because they would not even know where to begin to look. In a nut shell most in evangelical Christianity through their own laziness have become biblical idiots. They can not discern heresy from truth.

A recent survey said that 25 percent of Christians who say they are born again Christians, do not even believe that Jesus rose from the dead. A similar percentage believe other religions lead to God. Half of them believe that Jesus sinned. The vast majority of those surveyed do not believe in absolute truth.

It all comes down to one thing. Many Evangelicals no longer know the scriptures and/or do not know them well enough to keep them in proper context or to correlate them with other passages in the Bible. They have no discernment and are now embracing every whim of doctrine presented by gurus who interpret scripture through their own distorted preconceived theories. These new evangelical gurus use various paraphrases and take passages out of proper context to make the Bible conform to their views and the biblical idiots they teach are none the wiser. You might ask how this comes about even in the traditional Bible churches that have weekly "Bible studies. www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/Most%20who... .

Jazybird58

“Reality bites”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#9672 Feb 8, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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You will burn in Hell forever. You are Biblically illiterate.
I see you god only loves litterate people. WHAT a grat guy.

This now makes sense.

Lev.21:17-23
Whosoever ... hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken; No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.... Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries.
MrsMurphy

Melrose Park, IL

#9673 Feb 8, 2013
Jazybird58 wrote:
<quoted text>I see you god only loves litterate people. WHAT a grat guy.
This now makes sense.
Lev.21:17-23
Whosoever ... hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken; No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.... Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries.
I just wish one of these azzhat bible thumpers actually read that dam book they are so fond of mis quoting from. They cherry pick or google a verse out of context without any knowledge of it's actual meaning. They get their arses handed to them all the time and I think it's a pathetic comment on their so caled faith when non believers and athiests are more knowledgable about the bible
MrsMurphy

Melrose Park, IL

#9674 Feb 8, 2013
Who is dollarsbill anyway, dumb arse Penny or that drunk godsmacked?

Jazybird58

“Reality bites”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#9675 Feb 8, 2013
MrsMurphy wrote:
<quoted text>I just wish one of these azzhat bible thumpers actually read that dam book they are so fond of mis quoting from. They cherry pick or google a verse out of context without any knowledge of it's actual meaning. They get their arses handed to them all the time and I think it's a pathetic comment on their so caled faith when non believers and athiests are more knowledgable about the bible
You are so very correct. Cherry picking asshats. They don't like the cold hard truth about the bible.

Jazybird58

“Reality bites”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#9676 Feb 8, 2013
MrsMurphy wrote:
Who is dollarsbill anyway, dumb arse Penny or that drunk godsmacked?
Not sure, to smart to be godsmacked. Types to well to be penny. My guess just another fundie
He is Coming Soon

Since: Dec 12

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#9677 Feb 8, 2013
Do you profess the Kingdom of God or do you POSSESS it? www.scribd.com/doc/31322017
Thinking

Poole, UK

#9678 Feb 8, 2013
I can also talk about Harry Potter without believing in Harry Potter.
dollarsbill wrote:
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You believe in Hell now.

“Shoot for the stars”

Since: Dec 10

Planet Earth

#9679 Feb 8, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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And you are a comedian of Satan. You have no answers and no life other than attacking Bible believers. Get a life, eternal life in Jesus.
Dream on! You're gonna croak like everybody else. I have a life, toots, which you obviously don't, except for your obsession with people on fire. You're a FU psycho!

Since: Nov 10

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#9680 Feb 8, 2013
MrsMurphy wrote:
Who is dollarsbill anyway, dumb arse Penny or that drunk godsmacked?
So, you have two folks residing in your head now.

Awesome!

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

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#9681 Feb 8, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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You are a pathetic unbelieving child of Satan. You will burn Hell forever.
Really, this is all ya got?

“Shoot for the stars”

Since: Dec 10

Planet Earth

#9682 Feb 8, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Really, this is all ya got?
He's got an obsession of watching people on fire..........what a Psycho! Him and a few others are the "Seeds of Chucky"..........LOL

“Shoot for the stars”

Since: Dec 10

Planet Earth

#9683 Feb 8, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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It's not "mythology" that you will soon die and lose everything and everyone you love.
We are ALL future worm food. So what's your point?

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#9684 Feb 8, 2013
dollarsbill wrote:
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You will burn in Hell forever. You are Biblically illiterate.
60. The "Hand me a pitchfork" ploy. In this version, the fundie gloats about how much fun he is going to have looking down on the sinners in hell, perhaps pouring some of the boiling oil or poking them with pitchforks himself. He never stops to think who it is who hands out the pitchforks, or if perhaps that entity has other ideas in mind for him.

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