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Should a terminally ill person be allowed to end their life?

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Since: Sep 08

Chicago, IL

#1 Nov 9, 2012
http://bostonglobe.com/2012/11/07/dying/22ppA...

On Tuesday the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston did something it had not done for a while: It won a major political battle.

The archdiocese and other Catholic donors supplied a significant share of the $5 million spent to defeat Ballot Question 2, which would have let terminally ill people obtain a prescription drug to end their lives.

But the church did not win the fight alone. By Election Day a large, diverse coalition of opponents had united against the measure, including many Jewish, Christian, and Muslim clergy; palliative care doctors; hospice workers; and pharmacists.

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Should religion stay out of this fight, or not? Should a terminally ill person be allowed to commit suicide?

Since: Dec 09

United States

#2 Nov 9, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
http://bostonglobe.com/2012/11 /07/dying/22ppArgemoWeHEF6GnsE 5H/story.html
On Tuesday the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston did something it had not done for a while: It won a major political battle.
The archdiocese and other Catholic donors supplied a significant share of the $5 million spent to defeat Ballot Question 2, which would have let terminally ill people obtain a prescription drug to end their lives.
But the church did not win the fight alone. By Election Day a large, diverse coalition of opponents had united against the measure, including many Jewish, Christian, and Muslim clergy; palliative care doctors; hospice workers; and pharmacists.
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Should religion stay out of this fight, or not? Should a terminally ill person be allowed to commit suicide?
Cookie Parker: "Should religion stay out of this fight, or not?"
It doesn't matter - the fighting is irrelevant and so is the outcome. Ultimately, law has no say. People can still kill themselves whenever they want to.

Cookie Parker: "Should a terminally ill person be allowed to commit suicide?"
Suicide is like praying.
People don't need permission to do it.
They can do it, whether they're "allowed" to or not. What's to stop them?

Since: Sep 08

Chicago, IL

#3 Nov 9, 2012
janeebee wrote:
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Cookie Parker: "Should religion stay out of this fight, or not?"
It doesn't matter - the fighting is irrelevant and so is the outcome. Ultimately, law has no say. People can still kill themselves whenever they want to.
Cookie Parker: "Should a terminally ill person be allowed to commit suicide?"
Suicide is like praying.
People don't need permission to do it.
They can do it, whether they're "allowed" to or not. What's to stop them?
Really good points. I'm not that great on creating discussions...huh?

How about you? HAve an issue with religion to discuss?

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#4 Nov 9, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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Really good points. I'm not that great on creating discussions...huh?
How about you? HAve an issue with religion to discuss?
Your topic is too deep and requires some serious thinking, so you won't get much input from these Christians. Just the usual rare few who are known for some original thoughts. But the rest will avoid this issue, or at best regurgitate some mindless prattle that some preacher, TV evangelist, or the like has spoon fed them. Then spaz out if questioned on anything they stated.

For myself, having returned from my childhood NDE, and shown the sacredness of life when in Heaven, I think it's entirely wrong to end one's life under most circumstances. As terminal illnesses are not always terminal illnesses. As even the best doctors make mistakes. And the will to live, and the bodies own curative powers, can perform what we call miracles at times.

BUT there are times when the will to live is not there, and/or the illness/injury is too great, and intense pain is involved, what is the point of continuing when there is no light at the end of the tunnel as they say? Even more hopeless would be if complicated due to old age being a factor.

For while I was shown the sacredness of life, I was also shown and made to experience the QUALITY of the experience we call life. So while I can see fighting an illness and get as much QUALITY out of life as possible, there are times when it's just pain and suffering that is only getting worse, and will never get better. Just worse. That is hardly worth clinging to life for, just another day of fighting the pain, unable to squeeze even the slightest bit of enjoyment out of life. So why not let the person end the suffering with a pill that will do the trick as quick and painlessly as anything can? The alternative is forcing them to suffer a slow and agonizing death. I find that horribly cruel.
Sola Scriptura

United States

#5 Nov 9, 2012
-The Star Reborn- wrote:
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Your topic is too deep and requires some serious thinking, so you won't get much input from these Christians. Just the usual rare few who are known for some original thoughts. But the rest will avoid this issue, or at best regurgitate some mindless prattle that some preacher, TV evangelist, or the like has spoon fed them. Then spaz out if questioned on anything they stated.
For myself, having returned from my childhood NDE, and shown the sacredness of life when in Heaven, I think it's entirely wrong to end one's life under most circumstances. As terminal illnesses are not always terminal illnesses. As even the best doctors make mistakes. And the will to live, and the bodies own curative powers, can perform what we call miracles at times.
BUT there are times when the will to live is not there, and/or the illness/injury is too great, and intense pain is involved, what is the point of continuing when there is no light at the end of the tunnel as they say? Even more hopeless would be if complicated due to old age being a factor.
For while I was shown the sacredness of life, I was also shown and made to experience the QUALITY of the experience we call life. So while I can see fighting an illness and get as much QUALITY out of life as possible, there are times when it's just pain and suffering that is only getting worse, and will never get better. Just worse. That is hardly worth clinging to life for, just another day of fighting the pain, unable to squeeze even the slightest bit of enjoyment out of life. So why not let the person end the suffering with a pill that will do the trick as quick and painlessly as anything can? The alternative is forcing them to suffer a slow and agonizing death. I find that horribly cruel.
And you call this deep? lol

Suicide is the unlawful taking of Gods gift, life. Just like murder except for the victim will be judged by the only True Judge, God since they are not in this life any longer.

Seen is like anyone else. He has no insight on what God will or will not do to the victim. He just thinks he does.

“It is well with my soul”

Since: Feb 10

Whereabouts in Jersey

#6 Nov 9, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
http://bostonglobe.com/2012/11 /07/dying/22ppArgemoWeHEF6GnsE 5H/story.html
On Tuesday the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston did something it had not done for a while: It won a major political battle.
The archdiocese and other Catholic donors supplied a significant share of the $5 million spent to defeat Ballot Question 2, which would have let terminally ill people obtain a prescription drug to end their lives.
But the church did not win the fight alone. By Election Day a large, diverse coalition of opponents had united against the measure, including many Jewish, Christian, and Muslim clergy; palliative care doctors; hospice workers; and pharmacists.
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Should religion stay out of this fight, or not? Should a terminally ill person be allowed to commit suicide?
I don't believe suicide is ever an answer or solution. I also don't believe that our lives are our own, as they ultimately belong to God.

Whatever the situation may be, I think life is bearable if there's at least one other person to listen and be with the other individual who thinks their life has no value.

“It is well with my soul”

Since: Feb 10

Whereabouts in Jersey

#7 Nov 9, 2012
-The Star Reborn- wrote:
<quoted text>
Your topic is too deep and requires some serious thinking, so you won't get much input from these Christians. Just the usual rare few who are known for some original thoughts. But the rest will avoid this issue, or at best regurgitate some mindless prattle that some preacher, TV evangelist, or the like has spoon fed them. Then spaz out if questioned on anything they stated.
For myself, having returned from my childhood NDE, and shown the sacredness of life when in Heaven, I think it's entirely wrong to end one's life under most circumstances. As terminal illnesses are not always terminal illnesses. As even the best doctors make mistakes. And the will to live, and the bodies own curative powers, can perform what we call miracles at times.
BUT there are times when the will to live is not there, and/or the illness/injury is too great, and intense pain is involved, what is the point of continuing when there is no light at the end of the tunnel as they say? Even more hopeless would be if complicated due to old age being a factor.
For while I was shown the sacredness of life, I was also shown and made to experience the QUALITY of the experience we call life. So while I can see fighting an illness and get as much QUALITY out of life as possible, there are times when it's just pain and suffering that is only getting worse, and will never get better. Just worse. That is hardly worth clinging to life for, just another day of fighting the pain, unable to squeeze even the slightest bit of enjoyment out of life. So why not let the person end the suffering with a pill that will do the trick as quick and painlessly as anything can? The alternative is forcing them to suffer a slow and agonizing death. I find that horribly cruel.
I still believe there are no circumstances that warrant the taking of one's own life. Suicide wreaks havoc on the lives of those who knew the individual. Suicide is the last form of selfishness. Sure, people will say it's not; perhaps thoughtful and considerate; that it's done because of their love for someone/others ... that isn't the truth. True love gives one the will to endure - to go on - in spite of circumstances. IMHO

It's not over until it's over.

“It is well with my soul”

Since: Feb 10

Whereabouts in Jersey

#8 Nov 9, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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And you call this deep? lol
Suicide is the unlawful taking of Gods gift, life. Just like murder except for the victim will be judged by the only True Judge, God since they are not in this life any longer.
Seen is like anyone else. He has no insight on what God will or will not do to the victim. He just thinks he does.
Actually, there is a lot of truth to what he says.

I just don't agree that there is ever justification for suicide, regardless of my religious belief.

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#9 Nov 9, 2012
I think that it is very sad when someone feels they have to end their life, as they must be in a very dark place when they arrive at that point. Very often it happens suddenly and loved ones and friends have no idea why such a terrible thing happened. It's all very well for people to say that it is wrong to commit suicide, but we have no idea about the mental state of that person, no idea what was troubling them to drive them to kill themselves. The holier than thou brigade, like Wayne, see it only in black and white and when you are only capable of seeing things in black and white it very often robs you of compassion and understanding.
Here is a link about a man in the UK who had locked in syndrome and his fight to end his life assisted by a doctor. As it happened, he refused food and medication and died as a result of contracting pneumonia. I most certainly would not criticise him nor any other person who felt the need to end their life, I am just eternally grateful that I never have and hopefully never will, find myself in that very dark place!
&#9658;&#9658;

www.independent.co.uk/.../lockedin-syndrome-s... ...

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#10 Nov 9, 2012
Sorry, but the link in my previous post doesn't seem to be working. If you google "Locked in syndrome, the Independent", you should get the page.

Roland_Deschain

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

UK

#11 Nov 9, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
Should religion stay out of this fight, or not?
IMHO it should keep it's nose out. AFAIAC my body is mine. If my quality of life ever deteriorates to a point I consider untenable I want the option to end it.
Cookie_Parker wrote:
Should a terminally ill person be allowed to commit suicide?
Not suicide, this.

"We campaign for a change in the law to allow assisted dying for terminally ill, mentally competent adults - a campaign which benefits from overwhelming public support.

Alongside access to high quality care and treatment, dying adults who can make the decision of their own free will, should have the choice of an assisted death, within strict legal safeguards."

http://www.dignityindying.org.uk/assisted-dyi...

“theholychristian church.com”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#12 Nov 10, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
http://bostonglobe.com/2012/11 /07/dying/22ppArgemoWeHEF6GnsE 5H/story.html
On Tuesday the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston did something it had not done for a while: It won a major political battle.
The archdiocese and other Catholic donors supplied a significant share of the $5 million spent to defeat Ballot Question 2, which would have let terminally ill people obtain a prescription drug to end their lives.
But the church did not win the fight alone. By Election Day a large, diverse coalition of opponents had united against the measure, including many Jewish, Christian, and Muslim clergy; palliative care doctors; hospice workers; and pharmacists.
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Should religion stay out of this fight, or not? Should a terminally ill person be allowed to commit suicide?
And that's what makes the world hate so-called christian's whom repeatedly impose their religion on others. Nowhere in the Gospel is it written that one cannot
commit suicide: and so a Christian 'CAN'. Churches should mind their own business (mainly their pedophiles) and stop imposing 'their laws' upon the world.

Love your neighbour like you love yourself: so let them have the drug! Thank god that dogs never got in with this crap in Holland. One can always come to Holland
for a merciful death, and this in their love for God.

You shall do no murder: you shall not put to death any living creature that God does not allows you to kill; it would be murder. Killing aunauthorised by God is not murder. So killing your self is okay: for it is not murder, you can't murder your self.

Helping others die is also not murder, if they agree, or if they can't choose and you do it to end their suffering.
Read the fact:
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/jesus-a...

You shall not kill: error commandment! Only so-called christians use it.
Read the fact:
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/do-no-m...

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- The Gospel is not the way you like to see it: it is the way it is.
- Jesus taught those who follow him only to Preach what he taught them - for they can never Teach you.

Calling The Unbeliever, Confronting The Lukewarm, Exposing The Hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to Christ, says God!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/christi...
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/baptism...

- Murder: the unauthorized (by God) killing of a creature
- Killing: the authorized (by God) putting to death of a creature
- Judging: In Christianity, the prohibited 'judging' is to execute a penalty upon another as retribution for their sins.
- CO1 5: 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

“so tell me......”

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#13 Nov 10, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
http://bostonglobe.com/2012/11 /07/dying/22ppArgemoWeHEF6GnsE 5H/story.html
On Tuesday the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston did something it had not done for a while: It won a major political battle.
The archdiocese and other Catholic donors supplied a significant share of the $5 million spent to defeat Ballot Question 2, which would have let terminally ill people obtain a prescription drug to end their lives.
But the church did not win the fight alone. By Election Day a large, diverse coalition of opponents had united against the measure, including many Jewish, Christian, and Muslim clergy; palliative care doctors; hospice workers; and pharmacists.
----------
Should religion stay out of this fight, or not? Should a terminally ill person be allowed to commit suicide?
Not so long ago I would probably have said that a terminally ill person should not commit suicide but for the last few months I have been working on the wards of a local hospice and the things I have seen during this time has changed my thinking.
I think that before judging what others should do in such circumstances people need to gain more understanding of what a terminally ill person goes through. The pain and the indignity involved.

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#14 Nov 10, 2012
Keep the church out of everyone's business.

My body, my choice.

“theholychristian church.com”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#15 Nov 10, 2012
twinertia wrote:
Keep the church out of everyone's business.
My body, my choice.
Agree! Enough said. And let's work on that now! Charge on every President who denies suffers euthanasia.

http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/bible.h...

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#16 Nov 10, 2012
Cliff09 wrote:
<quoted text>
And that's what makes the world hate so-called christian's whom repeatedly impose their religion on others. Nowhere in the Gospel is it written that one cannot
commit suicide: and so a Christian 'CAN'. Churches should mind their own business (mainly their pedophiles) and stop imposing 'their laws' upon the world.
Love your neighbour like you love yourself: so let them have the drug! Thank god that dogs never got in with this crap in Holland. One can always come to Holland
for a merciful death, and this in their love for God.
You shall do no murder: you shall not put to death any living creature that God does not allows you to kill; it would be murder. Killing aunauthorised by God is not murder. So killing your self is okay: for it is not murder, you can't murder your self.
Helping others die is also not murder, if they agree, or if they can't choose and you do it to end their suffering.
Read the fact:
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/jesus-a...
You shall not kill: error commandment! Only so-called christians use it.
Read the fact:
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/do-no-m...
----------
- The Gospel is not the way you like to see it: it is the way it is.
- Jesus taught those who follow him only to Preach what he taught them - for they can never Teach you.
Calling The Unbeliever, Confronting The Lukewarm, Exposing The Hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to Christ, says God!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/christi...
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/baptism...
- Murder: the unauthorized (by God) killing of a creature
- Killing: the authorized (by God) putting to death of a creature
- Judging: In Christianity, the prohibited 'judging' is to execute a penalty upon another as retribution for their sins.
- CO1 5: 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
Since you are so "Biblical",where does it state it's OK or "GOD sanctioned" to kill ones self?

Whether you take someone elses life or your own, it is still murder...

Flying_Spaghetti _Monster

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#17 Nov 10, 2012
Cookie_Parker wrote:
Should religion stay out of this fight, or not? Should a terminally ill person be allowed to commit suicide?
Yes and yes, with medical help when required.

Flying_Spaghetti _Monster

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#18 Nov 10, 2012
angelinaUK wrote:
Not so long ago I would probably have said that a terminally ill person should not commit suicide but for the last few months I have been working on the wards of a local hospice and the things I have seen during this time has changed my thinking.
I think that before judging what others should do in such circumstances people need to gain more understanding of what a terminally ill person goes through. The pain and the indignity involved.
Good post. I've always thought it compassionate to put a suffering animal out of its misery, and we should allow the same option for every person if that's what they want.

“theholychristian church.com”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#19 Nov 10, 2012
NDanger wrote:
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Since you are so "Biblical",where does it state it's OK or "GOD sanctioned" to kill ones self?
Whether you take someone elses life or your own, it is still murder...
You, like the so-called christians, turn the world around: it is not prohibited in the Gospel, and
thus you can and may do it.

Simple enough???

Now you can always go and read and then quote me where it states that suicide is prohibited
and Euthanasia, too.

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- The Gospel is not the way you like to see it: it is the way it is.
- Jesus taught those who follow him only to Preach what he taught them - for they can never Teach you.

Calling The Unbeliever, Confronting The Lukewarm, Exposing The Hypocrite
Do Not Follow Men, Nor Churches! Come to Christ, says God!
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/christi...
http://www.theholychristianchurch.com/baptism...

- Murder: the unauthorized (by God) killing of a creature
- Killing: the authorized (by God) putting to death of a creature
- Judging: In Christianity, the prohibited 'judging' is to execute a penalty upon another as retribution for their sins.
- CO1 5: 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

“It is well with my soul”

Since: Feb 10

Whereabouts in Jersey

#20 Nov 10, 2012
par five wrote:
I think that it is very sad when someone feels they have to end their life, as they must be in a very dark place when they arrive at that point. Very often it happens suddenly and loved ones and friends have no idea why such a terrible thing happened. It's all very well for people to say that it is wrong to commit suicide, but we have no idea about the mental state of that person, no idea what was troubling them to drive them to kill themselves. The holier than thou brigade, like Wayne, see it only in black and white and when you are only capable of seeing things in black and white it very often robs you of compassion and understanding.
Here is a link about a man in the UK who had locked in syndrome and his fight to end his life assisted by a doctor. As it happened, he refused food and medication and died as a result of contracting pneumonia. I most certainly would not criticise him nor any other person who felt the need to end their life, I am just eternally grateful that I never have and hopefully never will, find myself in that very dark place!
&#9658;&#9658;
www.independent.co.uk/.../lockedin-syndrome-s... ...
Much more eloquently put than I have posted, par five.

You're right ... we shouldn't judge anyone for the decisions they make concerning their lives/bodies as we have no idea what is really troubling them. And you kept help someone who doesn't want to be helped. I just think it's very sad that so many people think they're beyond hope.

Sadly, I have had friends who felt the need to take their own lives and it left me wondering how good of a friend was I really to them.

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