Near Death Experiences

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Since: Oct 08

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#207 May 16, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote...
Let's have a proper go at the following shall we?
1. The bat is not a bird.(Lev. 11:19, Deut. 14:11, 18)
1a. 2000 years ago the bat was a bird to an observer.
2. No fowls are four-footed.(Lev. 11:20-21)
2a. None that we're aware of. The precise meaning here is an unknown to us. And these verses reference flying things and creeping things.
3. No insects walk on four legs.(Lev. 11:22-23)
3a. This mentions flying and creeping things.
4. Hares don't chew the cud.(Lev. 11:6)
4a. They wouldn't have known that. Hares from a distance not chewing from grass but just chewing seem to be chewing their cud. That is what they would have seen 2000 years ago.
5. Conies don't chew the cud.(Lev. 11:5)
5a. Same answer at 4a.
6. The earth wasn't formed out of and by means of water.(2 Peter 3:5)
6a. Peter didn't say it was.
7. The earth doesn't rest on pillars.(1 Sam. 2:8)
7a. Figure of speech.
8. A mustard seed is not the smallest of all seeds and it doesn't grow into the largest of all shrubs.(Matt. 13:31-32 RSV)
8a. The verse didn't say it was the smallest seed. And the verse said it was the most 'favoured' of other herbs which it was at that time. And it stated the herb grew to such a height that birds could rest in it's branches.
9. Turtles(turtle doves, not a turtle, your bad) do not have voices.(Song of Sol. 2:12)
9a. Bird watchers today will exclaim the voices of many bird species are sweet to listen to. Now what?
10. The earth has no ends or edges.(Job 37:3)
10a. if you were drill straight through the earth you would come to an end of having earth to drill through, so it does have an end. And if you stand on a high mountain on a clear day, people will exclaim they can see the edge of the earth. Now what? If you look out over a sea or ocean, people will also exclaim they see the edge of the earth's watery edge.
11. The earth doesn't have four corners.(Isa. 11:12, Rev. 7:1)
11a. Not literally. But it does have the four compass corners/points, north, south, east and west :)
12. No four-legged animals fly.(Lev. 11:21)
12a. None that we know of. We also don't know what this was referencing.
13. The world's language evolved. They did not appear suddenly.(Gen. 11:6-9)
13a. Concerning time, science claims many things in our ancient past suddenly 'appeared' in a moment of time :)
14. A fetus cannot understand speech.(Luke 1:44)
14a. A fetus factually recognizes sounds. Besides, tell that to the donkey in the OT that spoke that didn't know it couldn't speak ;)P
15. The moon is not a light source like the sun.(Gen 1:16)
15a. The moon was seen to have it's own source of light 2000 years ago just as they believed the souls of people returned to different star systems.

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#208 May 16, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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Egypt.
Hebrew literature is permeated with concepts and figures derived from the didactic treatises of Egypt. The foremost example is the "Instructions of Amenemopet" which formed the basis for the Solomon myth and the book of Proverbs.
The Hittite people and empire were said to be a Hebrew myth borrowed by the Hebrews from a different culture for their own story. Oops, that isn't a myth the Hebrews created after all :)

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Since: Oct 08

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#209 May 16, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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Sodom and Gomorrah never existed. The story was taken from an Akkadian myth.
Wrong. Missing evidence isn't evidence that something never existed.

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#210 May 16, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Wrong. Missing evidence isn't evidence that something never existed.
It isn't evidence that it did exist, either.

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Since: Oct 08

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#211 May 16, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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They didn't. According to the Maya, our solar system rotates around Alcyone, the central star of the Pleiades.
The Pleiades are among the nearest star clusters to Earth and is the cluster most obvious to the naked eye in the night sky.
(By the way, the notion that our solar system rotates around Alcyone has been proven incorrect).
They did. They knew things of the solar system that wouldn't be known about for centuries elsewhere.

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Since: Oct 08

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#212 May 16, 2013
HighlyEvolved wrote:
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The Maya learned it from the Olmecs.
The paradoxes of Zeno of Elea, written about 500 B.C., prove that the Greeks knew about zero.
The Romans knew about it too, they just didn't use it. Roman Numerals are not a positional system, they're additive.
Where are you getting all your disinformation from?
It's assumed the Maya learned it from the olmecs. It's not a fact the olmecs invented zero. They used a shell for zero.
The Greeks/Romans didn't use zero. The Mayans had toys with wheels but at present we have no evidence they used the wheel for every day life. So as I said, the romans/Greeks didn't use zero.

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#213 May 17, 2013
tickedoffchic wrote:
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It isn't evidence that it did exist, either.
No one mentioned the Hittites except the Hebrews so they were a myth. Yeah right, not any more, they got that one right.
Lions in Israel were a myth, not any more.
Certain musical instruments mentioned in the OT didn't exist so said the critics. We now know they did.
The cities of Ur and Pithom were Hebrew myths but not any more.
Science has made claims against missing evidence and proved itself wrong over and over and over again.....
Missing evidence isn't proof of something never existing, simple thing to understand.
Jesus is

Rowville, Australia

#214 May 17, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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Praise and thank God that he has let you live...but what ever near death experience you have had..is just your own personal experience...nobody else can share that with you..a Christian is sent forth to preach the gospels..not their dreams.
Why do you feel the need to relate it??
Because Near-Death-Experiences are continually being ignored by people who don't want to believe that the soul lives on. They are a subject that has never been discussed here. I have tried a few times to start a thread here about them and this the most successful one.

It's not just about my experience but the many that have been reported. No theory has answered all experiences.
People say things like it has been proven that a lack of oxygen causes them and I highlight the faults with that theory.
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Rowville, Australia

#215 May 17, 2013
THE RUINS OF SODOM AND GOMORAH HAVE BEEN FOUND SOUTHEAST OF THE RED SEA:
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a00...
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Rowville, Australia

#216 May 17, 2013
VIDEO - THE REMAINS OF SODOM AND GAMORAH:
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#217 May 17, 2013
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#218 May 17, 2013
VIDEO - POWERFUL HITTITE EMPIRE:
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#219 May 17, 2013

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#221 May 17, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
HighlyEvolved wrote...
Let's have a proper go at the following shall we?
1. The bat is not a bird.(Lev. 11:19, Deut. 14:11, 18)
1a. 2000 years ago the bat was a bird to an observer.
2. No fowls are four-footed.(Lev. 11:20-21)
2a. None that we're aware of. The precise meaning here is an unknown to us. And these verses reference flying things and creeping things.
3. No insects walk on four legs.(Lev. 11:22-23)
3a. This mentions flying and creeping things.
4. Hares don't chew the cud.(Lev. 11:6)
4a. They wouldn't have known that. Hares from a distance not chewing from grass but just chewing seem to be chewing their cud. That is what they would have seen 2000 years ago.
5. Conies don't chew the cud.(Lev. 11:5)
5a. Same answer at 4a.
6. The earth wasn't formed out of and by means of water.(2 Peter 3:5)
6a. Peter didn't say it was.
7. The earth doesn't rest on pillars.(1 Sam. 2:8)
7a. Figure of speech.
8. A mustard seed is not the smallest of all seeds and it doesn't grow into the largest of all shrubs.(Matt. 13:31-32 RSV)
8a. The verse didn't say it was the smallest seed. And the verse said it was the most 'favoured' of other herbs which it was at that time. And it stated the herb grew to such a height that birds could rest in it's branches.
9. Turtles(turtle doves, not a turtle, your bad) do not have voices.(Song of Sol. 2:12)
9a. Bird watchers today will exclaim the voices of many bird species are sweet to listen to. Now what?
10. The earth has no ends or edges.(Job 37:3)
10a. if you were drill straight through the earth you would come to an end of having earth to drill through, so it does have an end. And if you stand on a high mountain on a clear day, people will exclaim they can see the edge of the earth. Now what? If you look out over a sea or ocean, people will also exclaim they see the edge of the earth's watery edge.
11. The earth doesn't have four corners.(Isa. 11:12, Rev. 7:1)
11a. Not literally. But it does have the four compass corners/points, north, south, east and west :)
12. No four-legged animals fly.(Lev. 11:21)
12a. None that we know of. We also don't know what this was referencing.
13. The world's language evolved. They did not appear suddenly.(Gen. 11:6-9)
13a. Concerning time, science claims many things in our ancient past suddenly 'appeared' in a moment of time :)
14. A fetus cannot understand speech.(Luke 1:44)
14a. A fetus factually recognizes sounds. Besides, tell that to the donkey in the OT that spoke that didn't know it couldn't speak ;)P
15. The moon is not a light source like the sun.(Gen 1:16)
15a. The moon was seen to have it's own source of light 2000 years ago just as they believed the souls of people returned to different star systems.
Ah, you've nailed it - the Bible was written by people who had limited knowledge. I agree. That's why the Bible can NOT be the inerrant Word of God, because if God truly had spoken through the Bible authors then there wouldn't be all that false information!

As for turtle/turtledoves, ask yourself why, if God inspired all the Bible's translations, he inspired the translator of the KJV to use the word "turtle" in Solomon 2:12?

God is nonexistent. That's why the Bible is useless as a source of scientific knowledge.
little lamb

Maribyrnong, Australia

#222 May 17, 2013
Quote for those interested in the discovery of Sodom and Gomorrah...

QUOTE " William Albright and Melvin Kyle set out to find the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah in 1924, they, found pieces of brimstone at Southern end of the Dead Sea.

"...a region on which brimstone was rained will show brimstone. Well, it does; we picked up pure sulfur,
in pieces as big as the end of my thumb.

It is mixed with the marl of the mountains on the west side of the sea, and now is to be found scattered along the shore of the sea even on the east side, some four or five miles distant from the ledge that contains the stratum.

It has somehow scattered far and wide over this plain."

"Explorations at Sodom" by Dr. Melvin Kyle, 1928, pp. 52-53.

Neither was Marvin Kyle the first to observe the ashen remains. The other record of these cities comes from Josephus in his "Wars of the Jews", Book IV, Chapter VIII:
"Now this country is then so sadly burnt up, that nobody cares to come at it;...

It was of old a most happy land, both for the fruits it bore and the riches of its cities,

although it be now all burnt up. It is related how for the impiety of its inhabitants,

it was burnt by lightning; in consequence of which there are still the remainders of that divine fire; and the traces (or shadows) of the five cities are still to be seen,..."

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#223 May 17, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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It's assumed the Maya learned it from the olmecs. It's not a fact the olmecs invented zero. They used a shell for zero.
The Greeks/Romans didn't use zero. The Mayans had toys with wheels but at present we have no evidence they used the wheel for every day life. So as I said, the romans/Greeks didn't use zero.
The Greeks did use zero, as I pointed out earlier. And the Romans knew what zero was but their system of math wasn't additive, as I also pointed out.

All you're doing is avoiding the obvious. NDEs - remember them?- are simply something that happens when the brain shuts down. There is no evidence of an afterlife or even a soul.

If you fail to address this point, which is what this thread is about, then there's no more reason for us to converse. If you want to talk about zero and how the lack of it proves that toasted almonds are preferable to Pop-Tarts then start your own thread!:)

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#224 May 17, 2013
little lamb wrote:
Quote for those interested in the discovery of Sodom and Gomorrah...
QUOTE " William Albright and Melvin Kyle set out to find the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah in 1924, they, found pieces of brimstone at Southern end of the Dead Sea.
"...a region on which brimstone was rained will show brimstone. Well, it does; we picked up pure sulfur,
in pieces as big as the end of my thumb.
It is mixed with the marl of the mountains on the west side of the sea, and now is to be found scattered along the shore of the sea even on the east side, some four or five miles distant from the ledge that contains the stratum.
It has somehow scattered far and wide over this plain."
"Explorations at Sodom" by Dr. Melvin Kyle, 1928, pp. 52-53.
Neither was Marvin Kyle the first to observe the ashen remains. The other record of these cities comes from Josephus in his "Wars of the Jews", Book IV, Chapter VIII:
"Now this country is then so sadly burnt up, that nobody cares to come at it;...
It was of old a most happy land, both for the fruits it bore and the riches of its cities,
although it be now all burnt up. It is related how for the impiety of its inhabitants,
it was burnt by lightning; in consequence of which there are still the remainders of that divine fire; and the traces (or shadows) of the five cities are still to be seen,..."
So what? There was an earthquake, and the people living there at the time didn't know what an earthquake was or what caused it, so they ascribed the event to the gods. Isaiah 45 claims that God is behind all natural disasters anyway.

Don't forget that humans once believed that gods caused rain, and it wasn't until someone with a working brain pointed out that it only rained when there were rain clouds present. Duh!

When seen in context, the biblical story of Sodom and Gomorrah is simply a fanciful tale based on an actual event, in this cause a natural disaster.

No supernatural explanation necessary.

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#225 May 17, 2013
Jesus is wrote:
THE RUINS OF SODOM AND GOMORAH HAVE BEEN FOUND SOUTHEAST OF THE RED SEA:
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a00...
So what? Charles Dickens wrote tales that took place in London. London, by the way, is a real place. Does that mean that all Dickens' stories were true?

Come on, get a grip!

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#226 May 17, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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No one mentioned the Hittites except the Hebrews so they were a myth. Yeah right, not any more, they got that one right.
Lions in Israel were a myth, not any more.
Certain musical instruments mentioned in the OT didn't exist so said the critics. We now know they did.
The cities of Ur and Pithom were Hebrew myths but not any more.
Science has made claims against missing evidence and proved itself wrong over and over and over again.....
Missing evidence isn't proof of something never existing, simple thing to understand.
As I previously stated, missing evidence isn't proof anything did exist, either. Even if things do exist, it still doesn't prove the stories about them are factual. More research has to be done. IMO, yours is not a valid argument. Try thinking logically instead of simply.

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#227 May 17, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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They did. They knew things of the solar system that wouldn't be known about for centuries elsewhere.
Prove it.

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