America's gun obsession.

America's gun obsession.

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Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#1 Dec 14, 2012
When oh when will America rid itself of its obsession with firearms. This latest horrific killing spree at a children's school and the needless loss of innocent life is just too horrible for words. These terrible kind of events do happen in other countries, but thankfully are rare. In America it seems to happen on a regular bases. I don't pretend to know a lot about America's gun laws, but if someone capable of carrying out such a brutal act as happened today, can get access to firearms, then it seems to me that the gun laws just don't work. Getting them to work is something that the American people and their government will have to deal with, but not today. Today our thoughts are with those so senselessly killed and the grieving parents of those little children.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#2 Dec 14, 2012
Those poor kids, teachers, Lanza's mother and anyone I missed out.
The indigenous Americans are not going to take America back.
Put your paranoia down and the guns out of reach.
par five wrote:
When oh when will America rid itself of its obsession with firearms. This latest horrific killing spree at a children's school and the needless loss of innocent life is just too horrible for words. These terrible kind of events do happen in other countries, but thankfully are rare. In America it seems to happen on a regular bases. I don't pretend to know a lot about America's gun laws, but if someone capable of carrying out such a brutal act as happened today, can get access to firearms, then it seems to me that the gun laws just don't work. Getting them to work is something that the American people and their government will have to deal with, but not today. Today our thoughts are with those so senselessly killed and the grieving parents of those little children.
Non believer

Greenvale, Australia

#3 Dec 14, 2012
Another sad news day indeed.

After the port Arthur massacre in Tasmania our government introduced some extremely tough gun control measure including the banning of all semi automatic weapons and all pump action shotguns. Handguns already had strict control and the only people allowed to carry were police and security etc.
At first a lot of people thought it was a knee jerk reaction but I am glad they took those measures to make our country a safer place.

How anyone can argue a right to bear arms in this day and age is ludicrous and America should look at the measures we took up to reduce the amount of senseless killings. Below is an article that supports the reduction in murder and suicide rates after ten years of the Port Arthur massacre in 1996

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/...
Sola Scriptura

United States

#4 Dec 14, 2012
Maybe if that principal had had a handgun and was trained in firearms, he could have killed that murderer before he got started.

Don't want to hear that though, do you? Because believe me, if a criminal wants a gun, they will get one no matter HOW strict the gun lawsa are.
Non believer

Greenvale, Australia

#5 Dec 14, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
Maybe if that principal had had a handgun and was trained in firearms, he could have killed that murderer before he got started.
Don't want to hear that though, do you? Because believe me, if a criminal wants a gun, they will get one no matter HOW strict the gun lawsa are.
I have provided evidence that gun control works. Like it or not.
You think I haven't heard all the arguements before?'if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns' and yes criminals will get hold of weapons regardless but if the number of weapons in society is drastically reduced it can only have a positive impact.

Do you really think it is a school principals job to take down a murderer? Is it worth having guns readily available to fit your argument that just maybe if the principal had a gun he could have ended the violence? How many more people need to be brutally killed before your government does something. They have the opportunity to to do something about it.

Until then we will keep reading these headlines. I'm glad I'm over here and not over there.
Sola Scriptura

United States

#6 Dec 14, 2012
Non believer wrote:
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I have provided evidence that gun control works. Like it or not.
You think I haven't heard all the arguements before?'if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns' and yes criminals will get hold of weapons regardless but if the number of weapons in society is drastically reduced it can only have a positive impact.
Do you really think it is a school principals job to take down a murderer? Is it worth having guns readily available to fit your argument that just maybe if the principal had a gun he could have ended the violence? How many more people need to be brutally killed before your government does something. They have the opportunity to to do something about it.
Until then we will keep reading these headlines. I'm glad I'm over here and not over there.
Me too.
Sola Scriptura

United States

#7 Dec 14, 2012
Non believer wrote:
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I have provided evidence that gun control works. Like it or not.
You think I haven't heard all the arguements before?'if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns' and yes criminals will get hold of weapons regardless but if the number of weapons in society is drastically reduced it can only have a positive impact.
Do you really think it is a school principals job to take down a murderer? Is it worth having guns readily available to fit your argument that just maybe if the principal had a gun he could have ended the violence? How many more people need to be brutally killed before your government does something. They have the opportunity to to do something about it.
Until then we will keep reading these headlines. I'm glad I'm over here and not over there.
http://www.vicpolicenews.com.au/more-news/111...

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Non believer

Greenvale, Australia

#8 Dec 14, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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Me too.
You would appear to be very bitter individual. Don't like it when something doesn't go your way?
Sola Scriptura

United States

#9 Dec 14, 2012
Non believer wrote:
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You would appear to be very bitter individual. Don't like it when something doesn't go your way?
I'm not bitter at all. Why would you think so? Just because I don't agree with you? Clean up your own back yard before you start trying to tell the most POWERFUL NATION ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH what to do.

Non believer

Greenvale, Australia

#10 Dec 14, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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I'm not bitter at all. Why would you think so? Just because I don't agree with you? Clean up your own back yard before you start trying to tell the most POWERFUL NATION ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH what to do.
I am not going to get into an argument neither of us can win. I accept you have your opinions and I have mine.

We can go on all day posting links etc. I have provided evidence that gun control has reduced the amount of firearms related offenses in Australia.

If it can work here it maybe it could help over there, maybe it can't. Have a nice weekend.

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#11 Dec 14, 2012
Non believer wrote:
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I have provided evidence that gun control works. Like it or not.
You think I haven't heard all the arguements before?'if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns' and yes criminals will get hold of weapons regardless but if the number of weapons in society is drastically reduced it can only have a positive impact.
Do you really think it is a school principals job to take down a murderer? Is it worth having guns readily available to fit your argument that just maybe if the principal had a gun he could have ended the violence? How many more people need to be brutally killed before your government does something. They have the opportunity to to do something about it.
Until then we will keep reading these headlines. I'm glad I'm over here and not over there.
Guns don't kill people, people kill people...

Since: Aug 08

Somewhere in Ireland

#12 Dec 14, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
Maybe if that principal had had a handgun and was trained in firearms, he could have killed that murderer before he got started.
Don't want to hear that though, do you? Because believe me, if a criminal wants a gun, they will get one no matter HOW strict the gun lawsa are.
Why should a principal have to know how to kill someone? He is a schoolteacher, not John Wayne. Anyway, we don't know as yet if the killer had a criminal record. He may have obtained his weapons legally. As for the links you provided about Australia, they have nothing to do with the sort of terrible crime that occurred today. You seem to think that killing is the answer to everything. Well it's not. Killing only brings more killing. Anyway, your attitude to this terrible event doesn't surprise me. You seem more concerned about the principal not being able to kill the intruder, but don't seem to be able to express any sadness at the senseless murder that took so many lives, including those of little children. And what's this, "most powerful nation on the face of the earth" all about? Instead of beating your chest try to show a bit of compassion. Hard for a fundie like you I know, but at least try!

Roland_Deschain

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

London, UK

#13 Dec 14, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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the most POWERFUL NATION ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH....
Not only that, you are "one nation under god'. It has not helped you much has it? There are still 20 dead children.

Roland_Deschain

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

London, UK

#14 Dec 14, 2012
NDanger wrote:
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Guns don't kill people, people kill people...
Nevertheless, it's harder to kill 26 people without a gun.
Sola Scriptura

United States

#15 Dec 14, 2012
par five wrote:
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Why should a principal have to know how to kill someone? He is a schoolteacher, not John Wayne. Anyway, we don't know as yet if the killer had a criminal record. He may have obtained his weapons legally. As for the links you provided about Australia, they have nothing to do with the sort of terrible crime that occurred today. You seem to think that killing is the answer to everything. Well it's not. Killing only brings more killing. Anyway, your attitude to this terrible event doesn't surprise me. You seem more concerned about the principal not being able to kill the intruder, but don't seem to be able to express any sadness at the senseless murder that took so many lives, including those of little children. And what's this, "most powerful nation on the face of the earth" all about? Instead of beating your chest try to show a bit of compassion. Hard for a fundie like you I know, but at least try!
You're a kook. An absolute kook. How many school shootings have occured here in the US? It's about time principals WERE armed or at the least have a ARMED guard at schools.

The RIGHT to bear arms is in OUR constitution so don't YOU worry about it, all right?

Compassion? I have all the compassion in the world for those little kids and their parents but the reality is that more and more deranged killers are on the increase and MORE needs to be done to stop them. When it happens in Aussie Land, you remember that.
Sola Scriptura

United States

#16 Dec 14, 2012
Roland_Deschain wrote:
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Not only that, you are "one nation under god'. It has not helped you much has it? There are still 20 dead children.
And if we were SERIOUS about being One nation under God and executed more serial killers and rapists and child molestors instead of keeping them up for the rest of their lives things would change. You can bet if that gunman hadn't killed himself, he would have been put in prison for the rest of his life. No justice there.

And don't you forget that we are THE MOST POWERFUL NATION ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH.
Sola Scriptura

United States

#17 Dec 14, 2012
Roland_Deschain wrote:
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Nevertheless, it's harder to kill 26 people without a gun.
Maniacs will kill any way they can.

This happened today too.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/14...

Villager slashes 22 kids with knife at elementary school gates in China

By NBC News wire reports

BEIJING -- A knife-wielding man slashed 22 children and an adult at an elementary school in central China on Friday, state media reported, the latest in a series of attacks on children in the country.

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The man attacked the children at the gate of a school in Chenpeng village in Henan province, the Xinhua news agency reported.

Police arrested a 36-year-old man, identified as villager Min Yingjun, Xinhua said. It did not give further details of the extent of the injuries.

Ax-wielding man kills 3 kids, wounds 13 in China
Sola Scriptura

United States

#18 Dec 14, 2012
Roland_Deschain wrote:
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Nevertheless, it's harder to kill 26 people without a gun.
Explain THIS with your silly world view. No gun used here either.

http://behindthewall.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/0...

Ax-wielding man kills 3 kids, wounds 13 in China



By Ed Flanagan, NBC News Beijing

An ax-wielding man burst into a day care center in China and attacked the children inside, killing three and wounding another 13 before police subdued him.

The incident took place Friday in China’s southern province of Guangxi.

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Little else is known about the incident, which was first reported in China’s official state news agency, Xinhua. The children, aged between 6 and 12, were reportedly sitting down for lunch at a day care center in a local Pingan county residential compound when the man entered and began swinging at them with an ax.


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Wounded children — some severely injured — were rushed to local area hospitals. Police who arrived at the scene were able to disarm the man and arrest him.

Police were still investigating the motivation behind the attack.

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Violent incidents against children are not rare in mainland China. In the past two years, a string of attacks at schools and day care centers involving lone attackers rattled the country, culminating with a series of three consecutive school attacks that took place over a three-day period in 2010.

In one of the incidents, Xu Yuyuan, 47, entered a Jiangsu province school in April 2010 and stabbed 29 children and three teachers. Xu told a court the next month that he wanted to "vent his rage against society," and that he was angry after a series of public humiliations and unsuccessful business ventures.

“Maiden of Mayhem”

Since: May 08

OMFUG

#19 Dec 14, 2012
Chicago a large city about the same size as Toronto. Chicago has over 432 murders this year, Toronto 32. The difference? Gun control laws.

Any one who says gun control doesn't work is a fuckingmoron.
Sola Scriptura

United States

#20 Dec 14, 2012
victoria1 wrote:
Chicago a large city about the same size as Toronto. Chicago has over 432 murders this year, Toronto 32. The difference? Gun control laws.
Any one who says gun control doesn't work is a fuckingmoron.
You're an "effing" moron.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/12312...

“Everybody wants the cure rather than prevention,” said Anthony Doob, criminology professor at the University of Toronto. After 2005’s “summer of the gun,” experts suggested that long-term investments in education and public health could reduce crime, Doob said, but politicians instead made harsher laws to attempt a quick fix.

“I don’t think that decisions made on what we can do before sundown are going to serve us well,” he said.“That isn’t going to stop killings tomorrow.”

While the StatsCan report shows Toronto is a relatively safe place to live, other experts worry the recent outbreak of gun violence is a warning the city could be changing for the worst.

It’s a disturbing trend that signals the need for governments to re-examine the social and economic programs meant to give low-income citizens a hand up, analysts said.

“There has been an increase in concentration of violence taking place among young males under 30 years of age,” says Scot Wortley, an associate professor at the University of Toronto’s Centre of Criminology.“Many of the young male victims of homicide are from our poorest and most socially disadvantaged communities.”

Wortley said studies show Toronto’s middle-class communities have been shrinking and “our poor communities are not only growing but are becoming increasingly geographically and socially isolated — in other words, more like American ghettoes.”

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