Matthew 121:40
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Since: Sep 10

Easley, SC

#1 Jan 18, 2013
Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a “discussion” with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows an example from the first century or before regarding a period of time that is said to consist of a specific number of days as well as a specific number of nights where the period of time absolutey doesn't/can't include at least a part of each one of the specific number of days and at least a part of each one of the specific number of nights?

Since: Sep 10

Easley, SC

#2 Jul 26, 2013
Since it's been awhile, perhaps someone new looking in will know of some writing.

Since: Sep 10

Asheville, NC

#3 Sep 23, 2013
Just noticed that the title should be Matthew 12:40 and not Matthew 121:40.
TruthMan

Indianapolis, IN

#5 Sep 29, 2013
Go back and read what Matthew 12:40 is saying, because its not saying what you may think it is saying.

Since: Sep 10

Asheville, NC

#6 Sep 29, 2013
TruthMan,

re: "Go back and read what Matthew 12:40 is saying, because its not saying what you may think it is saying."



I probably should have addressed the OP to those who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week, and who try to get around Matthew 12:40 by saying that it is using common Jewish idiomatic language.

BTW, what do you think the verse is saying?
Tall Guy

Decatur, GA

#7 Sep 29, 2013
Matthew 27:62-65
New King James Version (NKJV)
Pilate Sets a Guard
62 On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate, 63 saying,“Sir, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said,‘After three days I will rise.’ 64 Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest His disciples come by night[a] and steal Him away, and say to the people,‘He has risen from the dead.’ So the last deception will be worse than the first.”
65 Pilate said to them,“You have a guard; go your way, make it as secure as you know how.”

-Matthew 28:1-6 shows after the sabbath was over the angel from heaven came and removed the stone, at this point the guards collapsed.

-Luke 24 shows when they got there early at sunrise in the morning the tomb was already empty, so he rose before sunrise, so there goes the whole he rose at sunrise theory.

Luke 24
24 Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them,[a] came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared. 2 But they found the stone rolled away from the tomb. 3 Then they went in and did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 And it happened, as they were greatly[b] perplexed about this, that behold, two men stood by them in shining garments. 5 Then, as they were afraid and bowed their faces to the earth, they said to them,“Why do you seek the living among the dead? 6 He is not here, but is risen! Remember how He spoke to you when He was still in Galilee, 7 saying,‘The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.’”

-Mark 16:1-5 shows when they got there at sunrise in the morning the tomb was already empty, so he rose before sunrise, so once again, there goes the whole he rose at sunrise theory.

-John 20:1-10 shows it was dark when they got to the tomb on Sunday and the tomb was empty, so yet another gospel shows he did not rise at sunrise and was already gone

-All 4 gospels shows the Sabbath was over and it was now the 1rst day of the week and he had already risen from the grave before the sun rose. Mathew 28 is the only one that gives an account of when the angel came and it was after the Sabbath on the 1rst day of the week, so the "he rose at sunrise" is false and "he rose on the Sabbath is also False", so since he rose on Sunday the 17th of Nissan and died on Nisan 14.

The scenarios I listed earlier, its only the 1rst 2 scenarios below that would agree with scripture. The Wednesday one would work only if you counted 72 literal hours after 3pm that day and after the sun went down on Saturday night and its the 1rst day off the week he rose. Even if Jesus did wake up on Saturday at 3pm, he could have prayed to his father until the stone was removed on Sunday, so rising from a grave is not until the grave is physically open which was on Sunday as supported by all 4 gospels.

14th Thursday Died @ 3PM
15th Friday-Sabbath(Feast of Unleavened Bread): No work allowed
16th Saturday-Sabbath: No work allowed
17th Sunday -Rose from the Grave

14th Wednesday Died @ 3PM
15th Thursday Sabbath(Feast of Unleavened Bread) No work allowed
16th Friday
17th Saturday Sabbath- Rose from the grave after sunset

14th Friday Died @ 3PM
15th Saturday: Dual Sabbath(Feast of Unleavened Bread) No work allowed
16th Sunday
17th Monday-Rose from the Grave
Tall Guy

Decatur, GA

#8 Sep 29, 2013
Matthew 27:62-65
New King James Version (NKJV)
Pilate Sets a Guard

62 On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate, 63 saying,“Sir, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said,‘After three days I will rise.’ 64 Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest His disciples come by night[a] and steal Him away, and say to the people,‘He has risen from the dead.’ So the last deception will be worse than the first.”
65 Pilate said to them,“You have a guard; go your way, make it as secure as you know how.”

Matthew 28
New King James Version (NKJV)
He Is Risen

28 Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. 2 And behold, there was a great earthquake; for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door,[a] and sat on it. 3 His countenance was like lightning, and his clothing as white as snow. 4 And the guards shook for fear of him, and became like dead men.
5 But the angel answered and said to the women,“Do not be afraid, for I know that you seek Jesus who was crucified. 6 He is not here; for He is risen, as He said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

Luke 24
New King James Version (NKJV)
He Is Risen

24 Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they, and certain other women with them,[a] came to the tomb bringing the spices which they had prepared. 2 But they found the stone rolled away from the tomb. 3 Then they went in and did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4 And it happened, as they were greatly[b] perplexed about this, that behold, two men stood by them in shining garments. 5 Then, as they were afraid and bowed their faces to the earth, they said to them,“Why do you seek the living among the dead? 6 He is not here, but is risen! Remember how He spoke to you when He was still in Galilee, 7 saying,‘The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.’”

Mark 16
New King James Version (NKJV)
He Is Risen

16 Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him. 2 Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. 3 And they said among themselves,“Who will roll away the stone from the door of the tomb for us?” 4 But when they looked up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away—for it was very large. 5 And entering the tomb, they saw a young man clothed in a long white robe sitting on the right side; and they were alarmed.

John 20
New King James Version (NKJV)
The Empty Tomb

20 Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb. 2 Then she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them,“They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him.”
3 Peter therefore went out, and the other disciple, and were going to the tomb. 4 So they both ran together, and the other disciple outran Peter and came to the tomb first. 5 And he, stooping down and looking in, saw the linen cloths lying there; yet he did not go in. 6 Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb; and he saw the linen cloths lying there, 7 and the handkerchief that had been around His head, not lying with the linen cloths, but folded together in a place by itself. 8 Then the other disciple, who came to the tomb first, went in also; and he saw and believed. 9 For as yet they did not know the Scripture, that He must rise again from the dead. 10 Then the disciples went away again to their own homes.

Since: Sep 10

Asheville, NC

#9 Oct 4, 2013
Tall Guy,

Do you know of any writing as requested in the OP?
Ant

Alpharetta, GA

#10 Oct 4, 2013
I have been looking for documented examples of Jews doing that, but have yet to find it. Even if that were true about part of a day argument.

Day 1 Friday 3-6PM (3HRS)
Day 2 Saturday all day from 6pm sunset Fri- 6pm sunset Saturday (24HRS)
Day 3 Sunday from 6PM to when ever he rose(6am the latest).(3-15HRS)

Here you have 27-39 hrs tops...This is not even 2 full days, yet alone to make a 3 day argument.
Prophet of Jesus Christ

San Antonio, TX

#11 Oct 4, 2013
Ant wrote:
I have been looking for documented examples of Jews doing that, but have yet to find it. Even if that were true about part of a day argument.
Day 1 Friday 3-6PM (3HRS)
Day 2 Saturday all day from 6pm sunset Fri- 6pm sunset Saturday (24HRS)
Day 3 Sunday from 6PM to when ever he rose(6am the latest).(3-15HRS)
Here you have 27-39 hrs tops...This is not even 2 full days, yet alone to make a 3 day argument.
Are you worth it to God...to save you?

Since: Sep 10

Asheville, NC

#12 Dec 24, 2013
Someone new looking in may know of some writing.

Since: Sep 10

Saint Peters, MO

#13 Apr 18, 2014
Since it's been awhile, perhaps some new looking in will know of some writing.
comment

Pomona, MO

#14 Apr 18, 2014
rstrats wrote:
Since it's been awhile, perhaps some new looking in will know of some writing.
I don't know if this will clarify or confuse the issue for you but I'll post it for your review:

In the Bible, the season of light (Gen. i. 5), lasting "from dawn [lit. "the rising of the morning"] to the coming forth of the stars" (Neh. iv. 15, 17). The term "day" is used also to denote a period of twenty-four hours (Ex. xxi. 21). In Jewish communal life part of a day is at times reckoned as one day; e.g., the day of the funeral, even when the latter takes place late in the afternoon, is counted as the first of the seven days of mourning; a short time in the morning of the seventh day is counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day. Again, a man who hears of a vow made by his wife or his daughter, and desires to cancel the vow, must do so on the same day on which he hears of it, as otherwise the protest has no effect; even if the hearing takes place a little time before night, the annulment must be done within that little time. The day is reckoned from evening to evening—i.e., night and day—except in reference to sacrifices, where daytime and the night following constitute one day (Lev. vii. 15; see Calendar). "The day" denotes:(a) Day of the Lord; (b) the Day of Atonement; (c) the treatise of the Mishnah that contains the laws concerning the Day of Atonement (See Yoma and Sabbath).

I think however that Jesus was in the tomb for 3 full days and nights, commencing at the killing of the Passover lambs on Nisan 14, and resurrected by God, prior to dawn, in the latter hours of Nisan 17. I don't know what assumptions are being used to attempt to get Christ's resurrection to occur on a Sunday, but I don't think it is possible scripturally.,.

Since: Sep 10

Saint Peters, MO

#15 Apr 18, 2014
comment,

re: "I don't know if this will clarify... the issue for you but I'll post it for your review:"

Thanks for the comments, but I'm afraid not. I don't see where your post provides any writing from the first century or before regarding a period of time that is said to consist of a specific number of days and/or a specific number of nights where the period of time absolutey couldn't have included at least a part of each one of the specific number of days and at least a part of each one of the specific number of nights.

re: "I don't know what assumptions are being used to attempt to get Christ's resurrection to occur on a Sunday..."

Probably the assumption that Mark 16:9 is inspired scripture.
comment

Pomona, MO

#16 Apr 18, 2014
rstrats wrote:
comment,
re: "I don't know what assumptions are being used to attempt to get Christ's resurrection to occur on a Sunday..."
Probably the assumption that Mark 16:9 is inspired scripture.
1. Well your right, I realize it was not specifically what you requested. But I was in hopes in might give you an insight or clue as to your search.

2. Nothing in Matthew indicates when Jesus was resurrected , expect it was sometime prior to the women arriving at the tomb. Neither the discovery of the empty tomb or Jesus' appearance to Mary is not indicative of when the resurrection occured, except to prove that the resurrection could have occurred no later than dawn on Sunday.

I don't mean to argue semantics with you but if you look at the Greek text.(get an inter-linear bible) the verse in Mark 16: 19 reads: "Having risen and early on the first day of the week, he appeared to Mary the Magdalene." I'll let you determine if you see a difference in the verse. from the KJV. Anyway, I still don't see a case for a Sunday resurrection.

Since: Sep 10

Saint Peters, MO

#17 May 26, 2014
I should add to the OP: "...and who thinks that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.
rstrats

Saint Peters, MO

#18 Aug 8, 2014
Since it has again been awhile, perhaps someone new looking in who thinks that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week and who thinks that Matthew 12:40 is using common first century idiomatic language will know of some writing.

“Let Your Heart Shine”

Since: May 14

Location hidden

#19 Aug 9, 2014
It refers to 3 different days, or parts of days. It does not state 72 hours as we view time. Although the verse states 3 days and 3 nights, I believe this explains it best:

40. For as Jonas was—"a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation" (Lu 11:30). For as Jonas was

three days and three nights in the whale's belly—(Jon 1:17).

so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth—This was the second public announcement of His resurrection three days after His death.(For the first, see Joh 2:19). Jonah's case was analogous to this, as being a signal judgment of God; reversed in three days; and followed by a glorious mission to the Gentiles. The expression "in the heart of the earth," suggested by the expression of Jonah with respect to the sea (2:3, in the Septuagint), means simply the grave, but this considered as the most emphatic expression of real and total entombment. The period during which He was to lie in the grave is here expressed in round numbers, according to the Jewish way of speaking, which was to regard any part of a day, however small, included within a period of days, as a full day.(See 1Sa 30:12, 13; Es 4:16; 5:1; Mt 27:63, 64, &c.).~Jamieson-Fausset-Bro wn
rstrats

Saint Peters, MO

#20 Aug 9, 2014
Hell-Sucks,

Do you know of any writing as asked for in the OP?

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#21 Aug 9, 2014
comment wrote:
<quoted text>
1. Well your right, I realize it was not specifically what you requested. But I was in hopes in might give you an insight or clue as to your search.
2. Nothing in Matthew indicates when Jesus was resurrected , expect it was sometime prior to the women arriving at the tomb. Neither the discovery of the empty tomb or Jesus' appearance to Mary is not indicative of when the resurrection occured, except to prove that the resurrection could have occurred no later than dawn on Sunday.
I don't mean to argue semantics with you but if you look at the Greek text.(get an inter-linear bible) the verse in Mark 16: 19 reads: "Having risen and early on the first day of the week, he appeared to Mary the Magdalene." I'll let you determine if you see a difference in the verse. from the KJV. Anyway, I still don't see a case for a Sunday resurrection.
The first day of the week needs to be referenced to the country as different countries have different first days of the week... Hebrew and Greek could be different...

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