In praise of income limits: a call fo...

In praise of income limits: a call for self-regulation

There are 26 comments on the Ekklesia Daily News story from Jan 10, 2013, titled In praise of income limits: a call for self-regulation. In it, Ekklesia Daily News reports that:

The gap between very high incomes and low salaries has been widening for several years.

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“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#1 Jan 11, 2013
what a wonderfully clear picture of what is to come and WHY its happening! and to think we have "mega pastors" engaging in this crap.
Cisco Kid

Columbia, CA

#2 Jan 11, 2013
'Income limits' is a centrist socialist concept of tyrannical big government.

I'm a die hard capitalist and firmly believe in reaping the rewards for innovation and hard work.
There's nothing wrong in earning what you can, as the market will self-regulate excess.

There is nothing inately evil about money.
Money is a tool for use, the more you have the more you can use to help others.

See Matthew 25

“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#3 Jan 11, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
There is nothing inately evil about money.
Money is a tool for use, the more you have the more you can use to help others.
See Matthew 25
Really?
Mark 8:36
What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul?
Jeremiah 8:10
Therefore I will give their wives to other men and their fields to new owners. From the least to the greatest, all are greedy for gain; prophets and priests alike, all practice deceit.

And for you personally:
Luke 12:15
Then he said to them, "Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions."
Cisco Kid

Columbia, CA

#4 Jan 11, 2013
Troth for Leogere wrote:
<quoted text>Really?
Mark 8:36
What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul?
Jeremiah 8:10
Therefore I will give their wives to other men and their fields to new owners. From the least to the greatest, all are greedy for gain; prophets and priests alike, all practice deceit.
And for you personally:
Luke 12:15
Then he said to them, "Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions."
That's the funny thing about exploring the Bible.
If you don't grasp the contents, you just become lost.

See you when you find your string.
Patriot

Boulder, CO

#5 Jan 11, 2013
I understand the criminal and illegitimate 'president' just gave the aiding and abetting congress a raise.
Punisher

Brooklyn, NY

#6 Jan 11, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
'Income limits' is a centrist socialist concept of tyrannical big government.

I'm a die hard capitalist and firmly believe in reaping the rewards for innovation and hard work.

There's nothing wrong in earning what you can, as the market will self-regulate excess.

There is nothing inately evil about money.

Money is a tool for use, the more you have the more you can use to help others.

See Matthew 25
The Bible is irrelevant.

This "Market" is not an entity that acts on its own, makes no decisions on its won, does nothing on its own. The Market is another Human construct, that requires HUMAN monitoring.

I agree with bits of your post, but lets face it, most CEO's of the big Corps can not provide actual proof of WHY they earn what they do. And its hardly part of an independent Market when those who fail, wind up with as much income anyway. Golden parachutes. A company fails at an endeavor and many of the workers lose, and lose a lot - while the top few still win. Hardy the results of an independent Market.

Hard work (a pretty vague concept and hard to define) is no longer truly, nor honestly compensated in most companies. All the benefits, earnings, etc trickle UP, not down anymore...so the ones working the hardest, longest, etc see no true equal to their effort compensation. Across most industries.

You're right there is nothing innately evil about money. But there is something very wrong and perhaps evil about a system that continues to raise prices (costs of goods and services)- when allegedly the processes of production, etc - are at their most productive and leanest in human history. We produce more, are more efficient than ever, but the prices for the most basic items keep rising, while incomes for the majority have either totally stagnated, or not kept up and in fact fallen - unlike these CEO's, top 1-2%- who see more and more income come their way.

I dont begrudge the rare true Entrepreneur and true Innovator cashing in on their "thing" in the short term. But lets face it that's not how most Americans, most people the world over make a living. The earn a wage from an employer.

And this Whole the Rich guys Help the not-rich is now pretty much a myth. Most of the top 1-2% are not earning their incomes thru their Employment, but thru investments, or already earned incomes and the days these Men/women going out and creating Wealth creating enterprises is long gone. The Robber Barons of the past at least created things that helped others also create wealth.

Now we just have Robbers. Who manipulate the Market for their benefit, and pay (elected officials) to have their special interests protected while no one else can benefit similarly.

The Market System is broke...its broke cause most people can not gain real economic traction any longer...
Punisher

Brooklyn, NY

#7 Jan 11, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
That's the funny thing about exploring the Bible.
If you don't grasp the contents, you just become lost.
See you when you find your string.
Oh I grasp it alright, and I'm never lost, as I dont need that screwy book to guide me.

Its not a guide book, its more a "stick yourself to the spot" book.
Punisher

Brooklyn, NY

#8 Jan 11, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
That's the funny thing about exploring the Bible.
If you don't grasp the contents, you just become lost.
See you when you find your string.
Whats truly funny is that Believers like YOU actually think you grasp the Bible all on your own.

Perhaps the biggest lie a Xtian can spout.
Cisco Kid

Columbia, CA

#9 Jan 11, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Oh I grasp it alright, and I'm never lost, as I dont need that screwy book to guide me.
Its not a guide book, its more a "stick yourself to the spot" book.
WOW! What set you off?

Was it something I wrote?

Maybe I touched one of your abundant self-loathing, insecure
raw nerves?
Must be tough being you.

Just one thing I gotta know. Did you take a breath at all during your tirade?
Cisco Kid

Columbia, CA

#10 Jan 11, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Whats truly funny is that Believers like YOU actually think you grasp the Bible all on your own.
Perhaps the biggest lie a Xtian can spout.
Sorry for getting on you so harshly in my last post.

You criticised my post about understanding Matt.25.

Let's try something.
You claim to never be lost and have an omniscient knowledge of scripture.
SO...read Matt.25 and tell me what Matthew is trying to teach.
The chapter basicly consists of three parables, or teaching stories.

Tell me, what do you think is each message being taught by each of those three?

And then, for contiguity sake, what's the total sum message being relayed by all three?

Thanks in advance, I'm interested in your take.
Cisco Kid

Columbia, CA

#11 Jan 12, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Oh I grasp it alright, and I'm never lost, as I dont need that screwy book to guide me.
.
Yooo-Hooo,.......Punisher..... where are you?

How come I look for you and all I hear is crickets chirping?

Are you lost??

Do you need a book to guide you back so you can answer the question?

HellO..!

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#12 Jan 12, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
That's the funny thing about exploring the Bible.
If you don't grasp the contents, you just become lost.
See you when you find your string.
HIGH Friggin' FIVE!!! Well said...

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#13 Jan 12, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
WOW! What set you off?
Was it something I wrote?
Maybe I touched one of your abundant self-loathing, insecure
raw nerves?
Must be tough being you.
Just one thing I gotta know. Did you take a breath at all during your tirade?
That's how she rolls...a real hard on for anyone remotely Christian / Republican / Capitalist...

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#14 Jan 12, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Yooo-Hooo,.......Punisher..... where are you?
How come I look for you and all I hear is crickets chirping?
Are you lost??
Do you need a book to guide you back so you can answer the question?
HellO..!
Chirp Chirp...

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#15 Jan 12, 2013
Probably joined a bible study group...

“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#16 Jan 12, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry for getting on you so harshly in my last post.
You criticised my post about understanding Matt.25.
Let's try something.
You claim to never be lost and have an omniscient knowledge of scripture.
SO...read Matt.25 and tell me what Matthew is trying to teach.
The chapter basicly consists of three parables, or teaching stories.
Tell me, what do you think is each message being taught by each of those three?
And then, for contiguity sake, what's the total sum message being relayed by all three?
Thanks in advance, I'm interested in your take.
My post didnt have shit to do with Matt 25.

Funny thing is when you finally figure out the bible and the verses I gave you.. call me. until then shove it up your hole!
Cisco Kid

Columbia, CA

#17 Jan 13, 2013
NDanger wrote:
Probably joined a bible study group...
One could only hope.
Cisco Kid

Columbia, CA

#19 Jan 13, 2013
Troth for Leogere wrote:
<quoted text>My post didnt have shit to do with Matt 25.
Funny thing is when you finally figure out the bible and the verses I gave you.. call me. until then shove it up your hole!
WAIT A MINUTE! HOLD ON HERE!
We have just witnessed a slip of the tongue, so to speak.

Troth, you just committed a Freudian slip and revealed the fact that Punisher is your 'sock'?
Or would that be visa-versa?

My, my, my,....the things one can learn by the unwitting revelations of the witless.

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#20 Jan 13, 2013
Cisco Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
One could only hope.
No Doubt...
Patriot

Boulder, CO

#21 Jan 15, 2013
We Are Witnessing the Slow, Tortuous Death of the American Worker

http://theintelhub.com/2013/01/15/we-are-witn...

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