Paul the first anti-christ, financed by Rome..The murder of Stephen..

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Water

Tampa, FL

#1 Mar 3, 2010
Its so obvious, yet so many refuse to see it, Paul was perfect infiltrater to take over the movement, he was well educated to not only lead the movement but take over, in a very cunning strategic way, financed by the Roman authorities..Rome first employed Paul to use murder, persecution, intimidation, but when that failed, because the CHRIST movement was built on non-violence, Paul and the Roman authorities had to design another strategy, which meant Paul had to infiltrate the movement by becoming one of its followers, then he would eventually take over the movement, afterall Paul was a well educated PHARISEE, who could easily pursuade the followers, to follow his teachings..THUS CHRISTIANITY, WAS TRANSFORMED FROM A GRASS ROOTS PURE MOVEMEMT OF SPIRITUAL FAMILY, TO A TOP TO BOTTOM POWER STRUCTURE OF MEN WITH SELF APPOINTED TITLES OF RELIGIOUS AUTHORITY,(POPE, PASTORS, BISHOPS, PRIEST, FATHERS) EXACTLY WHAT JESUS WARNED AGAINST..

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#2 Mar 4, 2010
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Water

Tampa, FL

#3 Mar 4, 2010
Paul was no different any power hungry pharisee, he even confessed, that he committed transgression, he didnt want to commit, but he did anyway..He was a man with own ideas, who created his own MYTHICAL version of Jesus, and established the very institutionalism that Jesus warned against and died exposing as corrupt..So why would Jesus sanction the creation of the same institutional mess, that was used to oppressed the people he liberate from the dead tradition..Christianity, in both forms protestant and catholic are dead mens tradition, run by men with self appointed titles, that have enriched themselves at the expence of the poor, while exploiting and tramplng over the name of Jesus, for money and power..

“Jesus forgives..... ”

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#5 Mar 4, 2010
Water wrote:
Paul was no different any power hungry pharisee, he even confessed, that he committed transgression, he didnt want to commit, but he did anyway..He was a man with own ideas, who created his own MYTHICAL version of Jesus, and established the very institutionalism that Jesus warned against and died exposing as corrupt..So why would Jesus sanction the creation of the same institutional mess, that was used to oppressed the people he liberate from the dead tradition..Christianity, in both forms protestant and catholic are dead mens tradition, run by men with self appointed titles, that have enriched themselves at the expence of the poor, while exploiting and tramplng over the name of Jesus, for money and power..
Look like you are not of any much different too except you do it the other way, the opposite of his.
Water

Tampa, FL

#6 Mar 5, 2010
Its so hard to believe, that Paul was anti-christ, but nontheless its true, he did, everything Christ was opposed to, like the establishment of men with titles, the same kind of religious corrupt power structure that wanted him dead..But Paul with very large ego and scholarly knowledge, believed he knew better than Jesus, and what better way to establish a new religious power structure, than by using Jesus as its leader, why would any follower doubt that this is what Christ wanted..This does not make Paul evil, it just makes him human, their are many anti-christ, that people call pastor, pope, priest, evangelist, prophets and gurus that have very large churches, with thousands of members and alot of influence and wealth, and they are the very ones, always pointing their fingers, outside at others, accusing others, of being ANTI-CHRIST OR THE ANTI-CHRIST..There are millions of member in the christians churches all over the world, that are ANTI-CHRIST..THESE ARE THE FACTS..

“Jesus forgives..... ”

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#7 Mar 5, 2010
You are a good judge!!!!

Since: Jan 10

Indian Hills Colorado

#8 Mar 6, 2010
Water wrote:
Its so hard to believe, that Paul was anti-christ, but nontheless its true, he did, everything Christ was opposed to, like the establishment of men with titles, the same kind of religious corrupt power structure that wanted him dead..But Paul with very large ego and scholarly knowledge, believed he knew better than Jesus, and what better way to establish a new religious power structure, than by using Jesus as its leader, why would any follower doubt that this is what Christ wanted..This does not make Paul evil, it just makes him human, their are many anti-christ, that people call pastor, pope, priest, evangelist, prophets and gurus that have very large churches, with thousands of members and alot of influence and wealth, and they are the very ones, always pointing their fingers, outside at others, accusing others, of being ANTI-CHRIST OR THE ANTI-CHRIST..There are millions of member in the christians churches all over the world, that are ANTI-CHRIST..THESE ARE THE FACTS..
Well, Water in the garden! You are RIGHT ON, MY MAN!

See Martin Scorsese's movie, "THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST!"

It depicts the real Paul and almost real Jesus.

Paul, no doubt, was the "Greatest Snake Oil Salesman of All Time!"
Water

Tampa, FL

#9 Mar 6, 2010
Kisadio wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, Water in the garden! You are RIGHT ON, MY MAN!
See Martin Scorsese's movie, "THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST!"
It depicts the real Paul and almost real Jesus.
Paul, no doubt, was the "Greatest Snake Oil Salesman of All Time!"
I knew we could find agreement on something, but its not that Iam saying that Paul was not qualified to do what he did, rather, that he was misguided by his ego, he even confessed, that he had no power, to stop himself from doing and thinking what is anti-christ..All great movements, usually get corrupted, after the leader, is either killed or imprisoned..What was Stephen saying before he was stoned death by Pauls men, if you people would just bother to look it up, in there bibles, they will see, if they just open their minds, and take those rose colored glasses off, they will see, that Paul and the Roman government, that eventually made christianity the official religion of ROME, headed by the same kind of power hungry religious authorities that still head the ROMAN CATHOLIC AND PROTESTANT CHURCHES..THEY WERE APPOINTED BY THE ROMAN GOVERNMENT..PEACE..

Since: Jan 10

Indian Hills Colorado

#10 Mar 6, 2010
Water wrote:
<quoted text>I knew we could find agreement on something, but its not that Iam saying that Paul was not qualified to do what he did, rather, that he was misguided by his ego, he even confessed, that he had no power, to stop himself from doing and thinking what is anti-christ..All great movements, usually get corrupted, after the leader, is either killed or imprisoned..What was Stephen saying before he was stoned death by Pauls men, if you people would just bother to look it up, in there bibles, they will see, if they just open their minds, and take those rose colored glasses off, they will see, that Paul and the Roman government, that eventually made christianity the official religion of ROME, headed by the same kind of power hungry religious authorities that still head the ROMAN CATHOLIC AND PROTESTANT CHURCHES..THEY WERE APPOINTED BY THE ROMAN GOVERNMENT..PEACE..
See Scorsese's movie, "Last Temptation of Christ." It's demonized!

I could say a lot of Paul that would shock you. This thread is too limiting for such.

Anyway, there's 270 years separating Constantine and Paul. So you do make quite the leap. Rome greatly opposed 'Paulianity' and Paul was under house arrest in Rome. So, you've got to connect the dots.
(remember, paganism was big business in the empire. Paul was a threat to that Roman commerce. He finally saw that his salvation lay in the fusing of Christ with Paganism. A move that James (the boss in Jerusalem) opposed. Jame was eliminated. Peter was a mouse!
Paul was a Roman citizen, and had influence in circles of wealth.

Enuff said, for now. Good Posting, though, Water!
Water

Tampa, FL

#11 Mar 6, 2010
Kisadio wrote:
<quoted text>
See Scorsese's movie, "Last Temptation of Christ." It's demonized!
I could say a lot of Paul that would shock you. This thread is too limiting for such.
Anyway, there's 270 years separating Constantine and Paul. So you do make quite the leap. Rome greatly opposed 'Paulianity' and Paul was under house arrest in Rome. So, you've got to connect the dots.
(remember, paganism was big business in the empire. Paul was a threat to that Roman commerce. He finally saw that his salvation lay in the fusing of Christ with Paganism. A move that James (the boss in Jerusalem) opposed. Jame was eliminated. Peter was a mouse!
Paul was a Roman citizen, and had influence in circles of wealth.
Enuff said, for now. Good Posting, though, Water!
Nontheless, the seed were planted by Paul, he was a Roman citizen, and yes, many years past, and it is written in the bible, that he was arrested, but for me, that was just part of the scheme, Rome did not care about Paul he was just a means to an end, a Roman pawn..All Rome wanted, like any nation was order, and they used any means to achieve it, including brivery, extortion and murder, just like the U.S does today all over the world..

Since: Jan 10

Indian Hills Colorado

#13 Mar 6, 2010
Water wrote:
<quoted text>Nontheless, the seed were planted by Paul, he was a Roman citizen, and yes, many years past, and it is written in the bible, that he was arrested, but for me, that was just part of the scheme, Rome did not care about Paul he was just a means to an end, a Roman pawn..All Rome wanted, like any nation was order, and they used any means to achieve it, including brivery, extortion and murder, just like the U.S does today all over the world..
You speak a lot of truth. Rome saw the

strong controlling measures in Paul's

approach; but, his arrest was more for

his protection against pagan extremists

and old-law rabid Hebrew-Christians

that wanted Paul's head.

It's also tied in with the rebellion that

was building with the Jewish Zealots in

Jerusalem and Judea, building toward the

all-out war of 70ad. the new Roman puppet,

Herod (not Antipas) regime was inept to

quell the tide of the coming Jewish revolt.

The Christian scene to shift its head from

Jerusalem to Rome (for survival) was earnest.

Things like dietary laws and circumcision had

to be compromised and Paul saw to it. Etc.

There's so much to these shape-shifting events.
Water

Tampa, FL

#14 Mar 7, 2010
Kisadio wrote:
<quoted text>
You speak a lot of truth. Rome saw the
strong controlling measures in Paul's
approach; but, his arrest was more for
his protection against pagan extremists
and old-law rabid Hebrew-Christians
that wanted Paul's head.
It's also tied in with the rebellion that
was building with the Jewish Zealots in
Jerusalem and Judea, building toward the
all-out war of 70ad. the new Roman puppet,
Herod (not Antipas) regime was inept to
quell the tide of the coming Jewish revolt.
The Christian scene to shift its head from
Jerusalem to Rome (for survival) was earnest.
Things like dietary laws and circumcision had
to be compromised and Paul saw to it. Etc.
There's so much to these shape-shifting events.
Lets agree that Paul was never totally cleansed of his pharisaic past, which is why, he did not understand the true mission of Christ, which he saw through his pharisaic lenz, which is why, he created a top to bottom power structure, that Jesus warned against and exposed as corrupt, giving the power, directly back to the people..Paul reversed, everything Jesus gave his life, to transform, and Paul did it, which the financial backing of ROME, who their own interest in the long run..Today here in the states, we see what the special interest at the top, are not only doing to America, but to the world..PEACE..

Since: Oct 09

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#15 Mar 7, 2010
Southern tinfoil sales must have spiked significantly within the past week.....
Water

Tampa, FL

#16 Mar 7, 2010
twinertia wrote:
Southern tinfoil sales must have spiked significantly within the past week.....
An American gluttony is on the decline, because of the weight of over consumption..THAT IS GOOD NEWS..
Water

Tampa, FL

#17 Mar 7, 2010
Paul never fully stopped being influenced by his pharisaic up bringing, he was a little man, with a complex, who lusted after power, and used the Christ movement as his vehicle to achieve his own ambition for power and influence, thus he disregarded, the grass roots movement of Christ and created the foundation, for another corrupt religious political power structure..MISGUIDED PAUL, THE PHARISEE..

Since: Jan 10

Indian Hills Colorado

#18 Mar 7, 2010
Water wrote:
Paul never fully stopped being influenced by his pharisaic up bringing, he was a little man, with a complex, who lusted after power, and used the Christ movement as his vehicle to achieve his own ambition for power and influence, thus he disregarded, the grass roots movement of Christ and created the foundation, for another corrupt religious political power structure..MISGUIDED PAUL, THE PHARISEE..
True, Water! Let's add a litle more meat that Campbell Soup can.

Bottom lining it: Paul was brilliant, and Paul Saved the Xtians.

Had he never been, Jewish christianity (Jeru & Antioch)

would have fizzled out (as it was in process of doing

before Paul entered!). And, it finally would have been

demolished in the War of 70. The Head Apostles James and Peter

had not a clue of what to do. The law that they

lived by and under was doomed. They stubbornly

opposed any change, modernization or pagan compromise.

Paul spent 14 years converting the fish-gang

from Judeo-Messianism to Roman-Christianity.

(Rom/Cor/Eph/GAL/Heb/Thess/etc )

Jerusalem's head, James, conveniently lost his head; and

Pete did a retreat. He finally caved in to Paulianity (Gal).

Yeshua Meshias died a second death and had a

second resurrection in
Empire Roma as Jesus Christ,

as the Melchizedekian (not Levite) High Priest.

The new Christianity was born & the old died!

in his later years, Paul actually believed in

Christ (blinded by his success, which he came to

believe was miraculous). He turned on Rome and

(under the new Caesar, NERO) was happily martyred!

(stay tuned)
Water

Tampa, FL

#19 Mar 7, 2010
Kisadio wrote:
<quoted text>
True, Water! Let's add a litle more meat that Campbell Soup can.
Bottom lining it: Paul was brilliant, and Paul Saved the Xtians.
Had he never been, Jewish christianity (Jeru & Antioch)
would have fizzled out (as it was in process of doing
before Paul entered!). And, it finally would have been
demolished in the War of 70. The Head Apostles James and Peter
had not a clue of what to do. The law that they
lived by and under was doomed. They stubbornly
opposed any change, modernization or pagan compromise.
Paul spent 14 years converting the fish-gang
from Judeo-Messianism to Roman-Christianity.
(Rom/Cor/Eph/GAL/Heb/Thess/etc )
Jerusalem's head, James, conveniently lost his head; and
Pete did a retreat. He finally caved in to Paulianity (Gal).
Yeshua Meshias died a second death and had a
second resurrection in
Empire Roma as Jesus Christ,
as the Melchizedekian (not Levite) High Priest.
The new Christianity was born & the old died!
in his later years, Paul actually believed in
Christ (blinded by his success, which he came to
believe was miraculous). He turned on Rome and
(under the new Caesar, NERO) was happily martyred!
(stay tuned)
I could not disagree more, because their was so many others, who actually knew Jesus, who were preach the gnostic gospel, in fact one such person, was Mary Magdeline and many other unknown to us, in the history books, that were spreading the real gospel, which was rooted in wisdom, not fables and superstitions..PEACE..

Since: Jan 10

Indian Hills Colorado

#20 Mar 7, 2010
Water wrote:
<quoted text>I could not disagree more, because their was so many others, who actually knew Jesus, who were preach the gnostic gospel, in fact one such person, was Mary Magdeline and many other unknown to us, in the history books, that were spreading the real gospel, which was rooted in wisdom, not fables and superstitions..PEACE..
Good. we're back to disagreement.

Trouble is, I know things, like the truth.

Once you cut the head of the snake (Jesus) what?

The Herodian Jewish system that killed him

was mopping up the remnants. They were a

dying breed. Of course a few scattered remained

but all divided, in hiding, and like some,

gang with a warrant (Paul & Xn hunters) on their

head, desperately surviving. Paul was their savior!

Jesus? Hah. Herod was way too much for little Jesus & Co.
Water

Tampa, FL

#21 Mar 8, 2010
Kisadio wrote:
<quoted text>
See Scorsese's movie, "Last Temptation of Christ." It's demonized!
I could say a lot of Paul that would shock you. This thread is too limiting for such.
Anyway, there's 270 years separating Constantine and Paul. So you do make quite the leap. Rome greatly opposed 'Paulianity' and Paul was under house arrest in Rome. So, you've got to connect the dots.
(remember, paganism was big business in the empire. Paul was a threat to that Roman commerce. He finally saw that his salvation lay in the fusing of Christ with Paganism. A move that James (the boss in Jerusalem) opposed. Jame was eliminated. Peter was a mouse!
Paul was a Roman citizen, and had influence in circles of wealth.
Enuff said, for now. Good Posting, though, Water!
Romans worshipped the greek Gods, born of virgins, they just needed time to repeat and hear the message over and over, before the Roman citizens, were ready to embrace another God, said, to have been born of a virgin..And when constantine declared Christ, another official greek god, the people probably said, ok, that will work...Violent force and repetition of superstition, legend and myth is the way, all three religions spread through out the world..JUDAISM, CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM..They did not spread by passing fish and bread to all the people, that is greatest myth of them all..Christ, Gandhi, Lao tzu, Buddha the originators, did teach their ideas and principles, in a peacefull way, but after they were gone, from the picture, all that changed..
Water

Tampa, FL

#22 Mar 8, 2010
Kisadio wrote:
<quoted text>
Good. we're back to disagreement.
Trouble is, I know things, like the truth.
Once you cut the head of the snake (Jesus) what?
The Herodian Jewish system that killed him
was mopping up the remnants. They were a
dying breed. Of course a few scattered remained
but all divided, in hiding, and like some,
gang with a warrant (Paul & Xn hunters) on their
head, desperately surviving. Paul was their savior!
Jesus? Hah. Herod was way too much for little Jesus & Co.
The truth has not changed, which is, that Christ, did not authorize the creation, nor did he want another religious power structure, of men with self appointed religious titles..THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE...PEACE..

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