BILLIONS of Souls
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Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#1 Jun 1, 2013
If God is a "loving father" who loves us and is "desirous that none should perish"...

...and if the only way to heaven is by "believing in Jesus" or "accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior" and the only alternative is eternal, never-ending punishment in Hell....

....how can all of that be reconciled with the fact that God deliberately and specifically and knowingly creates (and HAS created) literally BILLIONS of human beings in environments where 99% of them could not possibly have "come to Jesus," i.e. China, Hindu India, the various Muslim cultures, Buddhist lands, the native American peoples long before Europeans arrived, etc.?

Doesn't it seem like many BILLIONS of souls were created for nothing other than to be tossed into Hell for all eternity?

And how can this be justified in light of the idea of a "loving Father God"?
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#3 Jun 1, 2013
Interesting. Not a single CHristian so far wants to take this one on!

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#4 Jun 1, 2013
Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God.

~Epicurus
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#5 Jun 1, 2013
Kami Sureiya wrote:
Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God.
~Epicurus
Beautiful. And written LONG before Jesus arrived, too!

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

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#6 Jun 1, 2013
Gillette wrote:
Interesting. Not a single CHristian so far wants to take this one on!
Hi, Gillette,
I will give my belief.
I believe these folks have the same chance of salvation as anyone else.
I believe God will judge based on the state of the soul at death.
That goes for everyone, including Christians and nonbelievers.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#7 Jun 1, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Hi, Gillette,
I will give my belief.
I believe these folks have the same chance of salvation as anyone else.
I believe God will judge based on the state of the soul at death.
That goes for everyone, including Christians and nonbelievers.
What does "state of the soul" mean? We know our Proty friends think they just have to say they :accept Jesus..." and BINGO! they have an undeniable, irrefutable ticket into heaven.

“Born again atheist”

Since: Jun 12

Melbourne

#8 Jun 1, 2013
And how many billions more souls are aimlessly drifting around the ether awaiting a physical body to inhabit?

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

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#9 Jun 1, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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What does "state of the soul" mean? We know our Proty friends think they just have to say they :accept Jesus..." and BINGO! they have an undeniable, irrefutable ticket into heaven.
what you did with your life, good works, wrongdoings, crimes, etc.

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#10 Jun 1, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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Beautiful. And written LONG before Jesus arrived, too!
It is one of my favorite quotes. Beautifully spoken.

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#11 Jun 1, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>what you did with your life, good works, wrongdoings, crimes, etc.
Roman 2:
13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
Angel Michael

Bagumbayan, Philippines

#12 Jun 2, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>
Roman 2:
13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
All human beings have a conscience whispering. We will all be judged through that.

I heard it's estimated that there are already about 100 billion people who died in the past. Add to that the 6 billion living today.

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#14 Jun 9, 2013
Gillette wrote:
If God is a "loving father" who loves us and is "desirous that none should perish"...
...and if the only way to heaven is by "believing in Jesus" or "accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior" and the only alternative is eternal, never-ending punishment in Hell....
....how can all of that be reconciled with the fact that God deliberately and specifically and knowingly creates (and HAS created) literally BILLIONS of human beings in environments where 99% of them could not possibly have "come to Jesus," i.e. China, Hindu India, the various Muslim cultures, Buddhist lands, the native American peoples long before Europeans arrived, etc.?
Doesn't it seem like many BILLIONS of souls were created for nothing other than to be tossed into Hell for all eternity?
And how can this be justified in light of the idea of a "loving Father God"?
"they could not believe" "He has blinded their eyes"

John 12:39-40 (NKJV)
39 Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again: 40 "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, Lest they should see with their eyes, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them."

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#15 Jun 9, 2013
Kami Sureiya wrote:
<quoted text>
It is one of my favorite quotes. Beautifully spoken.
The blind following the blind.

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#16 Jun 9, 2013
Kami Sureiya wrote:
Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God.
~Epicurus
@dollarsbill

You can't get around it, therefore you start name calling and your whole "Hellfire" rants.

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#17 Jun 9, 2013
Kami Sureiya wrote:
Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God.
~Epicurus
Ooooh, another 'quotemeister'...you and 'big al' should have a brouhaha...

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#18 Jun 9, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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Ooooh, another 'quotemeister'...you and 'big al' should have a brouhaha...
Can't answer it can you?

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#19 Jun 9, 2013
Kami Sureiya wrote:
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Can't answer it can you?
You don't have a clue...

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#20 Jun 9, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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You don't have a clue...
Still waiting on that answer......

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#21 Jun 9, 2013
Kami Sureiya wrote:
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Still waiting on that answer......
ask GOD...

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#22 Jun 9, 2013
Your constant dodging is pathetic.

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