God created satan.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#551 Feb 18, 2014
no-one-special wrote:
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So all those ancient Gentile cultures(ex: Babylonians, Egyptians, Vedas, Aztecs) sometimes separated by time and water where just imagining those spirits they deemed as their gods and ancestors ( or what Scripture tells us are lying spirits)? In other words, it's just all one big coincidence, right, that they were all doing the same bloodletting rituals and praising the stars of their gods (usually Sun or Venus) because they were just imagining communicating with those lying spirits (gods) from their galactic abyss (usually depicted as a an eye, storm, serpent curled up, swatstika storm, flowers, fibonacci patterns). This is one of the things I can honestly say the ancients understood better than today's modern socities, which is the existence of spirits playing god (or what Hebrew Scripture tells us again are lying spirits from the abyss). That's right! Hollywood and science have you and modern society thinking it's either one big fairy tail of loving spirits or that other dimensions are something humans should try reaching for. It's no wonder Gentile cultures show signs of lawlessness. Btw....where are those ancient cultures and their gods today? Where is Israel and Abraham's God today?
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Atheists will cheerfully point out that you have just as much evidence to support your claim about the God of the Bible as they do to support their Gods...

However, what I am talking about is what the Bible itself says, and that is that the neighboring peoples had their own Gods, and that was just fine. There is no Commandment to proselytize to those that do not follow the God of the Bible. At best, one can say that there is a prohibition against the open worship of other Gods within the lands of Israel.

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Since: Sep 10

The Deathstar

#552 Feb 18, 2014
no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#553 Feb 18, 2014
Liam R wrote:
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Atheists will cheerfully point out that you have just as much evidence to support your claim about the God of the Bible as they do to support their Gods...
However, what I am talking about is what the Bible itself says, and that is that the neighboring peoples had their own Gods, and that was just fine. There is no Commandment to proselytize to those that do not follow the God of the Bible. At best, one can say that there is a prohibition against the open worship of other Gods within the lands of Israel.
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Atheists have a god? I think you meant to say agnostics have their own god (themselves)? Btw...I still don't see the point you were making about the neighboring gods of Israel.

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no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#554 Feb 18, 2014
Liam R wrote:
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Atheists will cheerfully point out that you have just as much evidence to support your claim about the God of the Bible as they do to support their Gods...
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Oh and one last thing. No evidence? Do you know what Gentile kings and priests were doing all around the world in ancient times. They were really just magicians and mathematicians who were keeping the mathematical knowledge of the stars (Sun, Venus) and seasons from the common citizens and were setting themselves up as gods (or mediators). Prior to the rainy seasons they'd hold their festivals and tell the commoners to plant their seeds because the gods had spoken through them to tell them the rains were coming. When the harvest would come, common citizens would then go on believing their king was a sun god not knowing that it was the Creator (the God of Noah,Abraham, Israel) who is ultimately responsible. But as we see today those kings, nations, and their cultures who went astray after Noah all eventually perished. Do you know why nations such as the Babylon, Assyria, Aztecs, Olmecs, etc all persished and eventually dissappeared ? It's because lying spirits were once human beings who had rejected the God of Abraham. Those lying spirits convinced many of them to exalt themselves by building pyramid/ mounds (they deemed as their sacred mountains where their gods lived) to mock the God of Israel and the mount of congregation. But as we all know, their fallen morning star god, or should I say guide, blinded them and eventually caused them to be brought low (Isaiah 14:12-13). So again, we know what happened to them and their gods. Where is Israel and the God of Abraham today?

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Flygerian

Dallas, TX

#555 Feb 18, 2014
10uhsee wrote:
"Quantum mechanics allows, and indeed requires, temporary violations of conservation of energy, so one particle can become a pair of heavier particles (the so-called virtual particles), which quickly rejoin into the original particle as if they had never been there. If that were all that occurred we would still be confident that it was a real effect because it is an intrinsic part of quantum mechanics, which is extremely well tested, and is a complete and tightly woven theory--if any part of it were wrong the whole structure would collapse. "

Doesnt sound like something coming from nothing does it?
10uhsee wrote:
"The researchers simulated the frantic activity that goes on inside protons and neutrons. These particles provide almost all the mass of ordinary matter.

Each proton (or neutron) is made of three quarks - but the individual masses of these quarks only add up to about 1% of the proton's mass. So what accounts for the rest of it?

Theory says it is created by the force that binds quarks together, called the strong nuclear force. In quantum terms, the strong force is carried by a field of virtual particles called gluons, randomly popping into existence and disappearing again. The energy of these vacuum fluctuations has to be included in the total mass of the proton and neutron."

AGAIN, doesnt say anything of something popping up from nothing
10uhsee wrote:
This article will take me some time to read. Maybe later when Im less sleepy. You have the text that leads us to believe that something can pop up from NOTHING?
10uhsee wrote:
Heres what the link stated:

If your mind isn’t blown, wait…it gets crazier still. Empty space—that is, space that contains nothing—no energy, no charge, no matter, nothing—is filled with a writhing, active population of virtual particles that physicists call “the quantum foam,” with bubbles appearing and popping in wild abandon. At the subatomic level, space is never truly empty.

Doesnt sound like "nothing" does it?
Flygerian

Dallas, TX

#556 Feb 18, 2014
Liam R wrote:
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Stephen Hawking wrote about it.
Is this another time where you cant bring up the information you claim is true?
no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#557 Feb 18, 2014
Liam R wrote:
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and if you're wondering Cortez wasn't Quetzalcoatl (the feather serpent spirit who sometimes transformed himself and appeared to Meso-american priests as a white man centuries prior to Europeans coming over). That's just another example and more proof of a lying spirit and the star of their god and idol (Sun,Venus) setting up another Gentile culture to eventually be brought low in another land. It's all just a coincidence huh? The God of Isaiah didn't have a clue as to what he was talking about, huh (Isaiah 14:12-13)?

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Flygerian

Dallas, TX

#558 Feb 18, 2014
no-one-special wrote:
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and if you're wondering Cortez wasn't Quetzalcoatl (the feather serpent spirit who sometimes transformed himself and appeared to Meso-american priests as a white man centuries prior to Europeans coming over). That's just another example and more proof of a lying spirit and the star of their god and idol (Sun,Venus) setting up another Gentile culture to eventually be brought low in another land.
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Whats this about? I've never heard of it
no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#559 Feb 18, 2014
Flygerian wrote:
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Whats this about? I've never heard of it
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Yes, just showing him how the gods or lying spirits of the Gentile nations have been deceiving and setting them up since the beginning to be brought low.

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no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#560 Feb 18, 2014
Flygerian wrote:
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Future example of their god bringing down the nations : What do you think the East (muslims waiting for their messiah) is going to do when the highest levels of government and science from the West finally present some sort of alien savior in a fire from the sky to bring about and boost some sort of global moral. What do you think the East will do when this man of lawlessness sides with the west? The East is going to cry out "Dajjal", which is Arabic for Anti-Christ. And do you know what's going to happen after that? The third woe will begin and both Gentile Christian and Muslim nations of blind fathers around the world will literally be sending their own children into a fire powered lake of conflict to defend a lie both Jesus and the Jewish Apostles forewarned both of them about. Btw....don't worry, Elijah is here in Israel today to point out who the messiah isn't , so you might want to leave a little crack in that door.
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no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#561 Feb 18, 2014
Flygerian wrote:
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and then to think, Gentile ministers of different doctrines and sects have all had one thing in common which is teaching their congregations that Jesus is coming back as a man from the sky to only save their own particular brands of Christianity. And if you haven't noticed Hollywood and Media on the other hand has been preparing the rest. And well...since they refuse the truth and want this delusion, according to the apostle, God allows this delusion to be sent and happen. Remember Fly, he visits the sins of the fathers to the third and forth generations. In other words, it's a shame they are going to have to pay for the sins of their fathers for lying to them.

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Since: Feb 13

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#562 Feb 18, 2014
Liam R wrote:
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Atheists will cheerfully point out that you have just as much evidence to support your claim about the God of the Bible as they do to support their Gods...
However, what I am talking about is what the Bible itself says, and that is that the neighboring peoples had their own Gods, and that was just fine. There is no Commandment to proselytize to those that do not follow the God of the Bible. At best, one can say that there is a prohibition against the open worship of other Gods within the lands of Israel.
Micah 4:5 "For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the Lord our God forever and ever". Only the children of Israel are prohibited from worshipping idols and God will punish us for this transgression. If we don't remain faithful the Messiah can never come. That is why God created Israel in the first place.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#563 Feb 18, 2014
no-one-special wrote:
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Atheists have a god? I think you meant to say agnostics have their own god (themselves)? Btw...I still don't see the point you were making about the neighboring gods of Israel.
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Hmm, do you have a reading disability? Seriously, I am not trying to make a joke, this could affect the way I respond in the future. It certainly looks like you did not actually read what I posted. I never said anything about atheists having a God, I said that atheists would say that you have exactly as much evidence for YOURGod as all those other religions, past or present, have for theirs.
no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#564 Feb 18, 2014
Liam R wrote:
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Hmm, do you have a reading disability? Seriously, I am not trying to make a joke, this could affect the way I respond in the future. It certainly looks like you did not actually read what I posted. I never said anything about atheists having a God, I said that atheists would say that you have exactly as much evidence for YOURGod as all those other religions, past or present, have for theirs.
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Okay I admit. Your usage of the pronoun "they" could of fooled me. But enough of the trivial stuff, right. Let's get back to point you were trying to make again. What was it?

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“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#565 Feb 18, 2014
no-one-special wrote:
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Oh and one last thing. No evidence? Do you know what Gentile kings and priests were doing all around the world in ancient times. They were really just magicians and mathematicians who were keeping the mathematical knowledge of the stars (Sun, Venus) and seasons from the common citizens and were setting themselves up as gods (or mediators). Prior to the rainy seasons they'd hold their festivals and tell the commoners to plant their seeds because the gods had spoken through them to tell them the rains were coming. When the harvest would come, common citizens would then go on believing their king was a sun god not knowing that it was the Creator (the God of Noah,Abraham, Israel) who is ultimately responsible. But as we see today those kings, nations, and their cultures who went astray after Noah all eventually perished. Do you know why nations such as the Babylon, Assyria, Aztecs, Olmecs, etc all persished and eventually dissappeared ? It's because lying spirits were once human beings who had rejected the God of Abraham. Those lying spirits convinced many of them to exalt themselves by building pyramid/ mounds (they deemed as their sacred mountains where their gods lived) to mock the God of Israel and the mount of congregation. But as we all know, their fallen morning star god, or should I say guide, blinded them and eventually caused them to be brought low (Isaiah 14:12-13). So again, we know what happened to them and their gods. Where is Israel and the God of Abraham today?
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In other words, they were doing the exact same things that the judges, kings and prophets of the children of Israel were doing.

Of course, you are outright wrong on several points, such as claiming that they created pyramids or mounds to "mock" the God of the Bible. Most of the mound or pyramid builders existed well before the God of the Bible existed. Indeed, the myth of Abraham claims that he came from one of those mound building cultures. So, if anything, the copying and mockery goes the opther way...

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#566 Feb 18, 2014
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Micah 4:5 "For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the Lord our God forever and ever". Only the children of Israel are prohibited from worshipping idols and God will punish us for this transgression. If we don't remain faithful the Messiah can never come. That is why God created Israel in the first place.
Exactly. But, xians always pick andchoose parts from the Bible, as if it were a salad bar and they could ignore the pickled beets andjust load up on the croutons.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#567 Feb 18, 2014
no-one-special wrote:
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Okay I admit. Your usage of the pronoun "they" could of fooled me. But enough of the trivial stuff, right. Let's get back to point you were trying to make again. What was it?
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The point was that you have zero proof that your God is any more or any less real than Thor, Isis, Ra or Zeus
no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#568 Feb 18, 2014
Liam R wrote:
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The point was that you have zero proof that your God is any more or any less real than Thor, Isis, Ra or Zeus
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Well let's compare prophecy? Go get where these gods said they would be in the future? and we'll compare them to what the God of Abraham prophecied?

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no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#569 Feb 18, 2014
Liam R wrote:
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In other words, they were doing the exact same things that the judges, kings and prophets of the children of Israel were doing.
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Umm.. Many Gentiles cultures were sacrificing people to their gods. Israel was sacrificing animals (goats, lambs) to their God. Big difference guy. And I'm not saying Israel didn't sometimes go astray and chase after other gods. I'm just pointing out a difference between what Gentiles were doing a majority of the time and what Israel should have been doing.

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Liam R wrote:
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Of course, you are outright wrong on several points, such as claiming that they created pyramids or mounds to "mock" the God of the Bible. Most of the mound or pyramid builders existed well before the God of the Bible existed.
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Nah uhhh...not true... cuz I say so....... You like that kind of response huh? Well you should because you own it.
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Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#570 Feb 18, 2014
Liam R wrote:
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Exactly. But, xians always pick andchoose parts from the Bible, as if it were a salad bar and they could ignore the pickled beets andjust load up on the croutons.
The bible (OT) is like a jigsaw puzzle and the pieces (verses) fit together to form a big picture. It's a sealed book that will be unsealed when the Messiah comes. "...the knowledge of the holy is understanding". Proverbs 9:10. Jesus was not the Messiah and xians exclude the parts of the OT that does not fit their theology. Even the parts they claim Jesus fulfilled have parts or verses that contradict their beliefs. I regard the entire OT as Truth and Jesus fulfilled none of the messianic prophecies. He did fulfill the parts about the modern day idol of Israel.

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