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Old GT

Carmel, IN

#456 Aug 5, 2014
Flygerian wrote:
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You say that after its been exemplified that it makes NO SENSE to read Deut29:29 saying that Israel wasnt responsible for "hidden/secret" things but then saying God had a "hidden message" within Jesus that He held Israel responsible for. But as you did before you attempt to simply disregard/ignore whatever doesnt corroborate with your current beliefs.
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I saw you say that first sentence before. I want PROOF. Not you making a statement. But something from the NT that exemplifies it to have being from "Jerusalem". All you're doing is making blanket connections and expecting me to accept them because of who knows what lol.

Acts 2


Flygerian

Dallas, TX

#457 Aug 5, 2014
Old GT wrote:
<quoted text>Are there any prophets today? I say, no.
Your opinion. Your eyes cant even make all of your house at one time, let alone the globe.
Old GT wrote:
The last "Word of God" came out of Jerusalem.
More blanket connections you're making. You cant exemplify the NT explaining this for good reason lol
Old GT wrote:
And, yes I know John was in Patmos.
Paul was in Asia as well. And thats who MOST of the NT comes from. And yet, we are to make the blanket connection that the NT came from Jerusalem. Nothing from the text to exemplify it. Simply because "Old GT" made the connection, we're supposed to go along with it.

I dont believe this. But this is practically what you're telling us.
Flygerian

Dallas, TX

#458 Aug 5, 2014
Old GT wrote:
<quoted text>I made a mistake. I meant Exodus 18-35. The Law of Moses was given from Mount Sinai and in the Sinai wilderness.
The book of the law (Deuteronomy) was not given at Mount Sinai.
Old GT wrote:
The Word of God about which Micah is prophesizing is coming out from Mount Zion, Jerusalem.
What?

2 Many nations shall come and say,
“Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
To the house of the God of Jacob;
He will teach us His ways,
And we shall walk in His paths.”
For out of Zion the law shall go forth,
And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

Your quote doesnt even match what the verse says?
Flygerian

Dallas, TX

#459 Aug 5, 2014
Old GT wrote:
<quoted text>Using the term "hidden" is just trying to be considerate of the limits you have set on this discussion
Lol now you're changing your tune. I didnt tell you any word to and to not use. Thats on you. Your original use was "hidden". Once you found out that the law doesnt go along with that belief, you're now attempting to change your tune a little to the left so it will fit lol. It still doesnt.
Old GT wrote:
The actual word to explain the Old Testament is "mystery".
Mystery definition:
-something that is difficult or impossible to understand or explain.
-anything that is kept secret or remains unexplained or unknown:

It doesnt matter what word you use. What was established in Deut 29:29 was that the LAW is what Israel was responsible. The hidden/secret/mystery things belonged to God. And yet, God held a mystery from them, told them thru Moses His servant that they were not responsible for those things, then gave them the mystery and held them responsible for it? Doesnt make sense. And deep down you know it. But as you've been doing all thread, you'll just ignore or disregard it so you can continue believing as you do.
Old GT wrote:
A Greek word mis-used today. 2,000 years ago, the word "mystery" was a military term. It meant a military maneuver that is hidden from the enemy. Like Washington at Trenton and the battle of Princeton. In the OT, God is maneuvering to save all mankind while keeping "how" hidden from the enemy. That is what you can't identify. And that is what is explained in Romans 16:25,26 by Paul in the Word of God according to the prophet Micah in 4:2.
Now an ALMIGHTY Being who created things simply by speaking them into existence is in an "epic" battle with one of its own creations. Such a battle that He as God has to hide His plans so they do not get foiled by His own creation. This is a Being that SPOKE THINGS INTO EXISTENCE and you are equating an adversary to Him? I dont think that wise. But alot of what you have said has not been wise.

You say I cant identify it. Of course. I cant identify something thats not there. If I believe that in all actuality God thought it PERTINENT that we know some "mystery" than I'd either have to think that Moses was speaking presumptuously or that God did not send Moses. Which one do you propose I lean to?
Flygerian

Dallas, TX

#460 Aug 5, 2014
Old GT wrote:
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Acts 2
Nothing from Acts 2 suggests that the "NT" represents the "word of God" coming from Jerusalem in Micah 2.
Old GT

Carmel, IN

#461 Aug 5, 2014
Flygerian wrote:
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Lol now you're changing your tune. I didnt tell you any word to and to not use. Thats on you. Your original use was "hidden". Once you found out that the law doesnt go along with that belief, you're now attempting to change your tune a little to the left so it will fit lol. It still doesnt.
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Mystery definition:
-something that is difficult or impossible to understand or explain.
-anything that is kept secret or remains unexplained or unknown:
It doesnt matter what word you use. What was established in Deut 29:29 was that the LAW is what Israel was responsible. The hidden/secret/mystery things belonged to God. And yet, God held a mystery from them, told them thru Moses His servant that they were not responsible for those things, then gave them the mystery and held them responsible for it? Doesnt make sense. And deep down you know it. But as you've been doing all thread, you'll just ignore or disregard it so you can continue believing as you do.
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Now an ALMIGHTY Being who created things simply by speaking them into existence is in an "epic" battle with one of its own creations. Such a battle that He as God has to hide His plans so they do not get foiled by His own creation. This is a Being that SPOKE THINGS INTO EXISTENCE and you are equating an adversary to Him? I dont think that wise. But alot of what you have said has not been wise.
You say I cant identify it. Of course. I cant identify something thats not there. If I believe that in all actuality God thought it PERTINENT that we know some "mystery" than I'd either have to think that Moses was speaking presumptuously or that God did not send Moses. Which one do you propose I lean to?
You didn't want any references to Paul and it's Paul who uses the word mystery. So I avoided using the word out of consideration for your rules.
The mystery is there all along starting with Genesis 3:15. The Almighty Being is careful with the adversary because of the fragile finite nature of the soul of mankind. Not because of any limitation. But the adversary is clever. Has the adversary already make a problem?
Would you have seen the ransom for the souls of mankind being paid at the cross? You can't see it now.
The adversary has been able to separate the souls of mankind from a holy Almighty God. You don't understand that do you?
Old GT

Carmel, IN

#462 Aug 5, 2014
Flygerian wrote:
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Nothing from Acts 2 suggests that the "NT" represents the "word of God" coming from Jerusalem in Micah 2.
So obviously you can't see it so this is no longer a profitable exchange.
Flygerian

Dallas, TX

#463 Aug 5, 2014
Old GT wrote:
<quoted text>You didn't want any references to Paul and it's Paul who uses the word mystery. So I avoided using the word out of consideration for your rules.
The mystery is there all along starting with Genesis 3:15. The Almighty Being is careful with the adversary because of the fragile finite nature of the soul of mankind. Not because of any limitation. But the adversary is clever. Has the adversary already make a problem?
Would you have seen the ransom for the souls of mankind being paid at the cross? You can't see it now.
The adversary has been able to separate the souls of mankind from a holy Almighty God. You don't understand that do you?
No explanation of why Moses would specifically say that the hidden/mystery/secret things belonged to God but Israel were not responsible for it? But that they were responsible for the law? Instead of this being true, what is actually true is that God held a mystery from their eyes, told them they were not responsible for mysteries, then sent them the answered "mystery" thru Paul and held them responsible for said "mystery" after originally stating they were not responsible for mysteries.

Yea, still doesnt make sense. Thats because it contradicts itself
Flygerian

Dallas, TX

#464 Aug 5, 2014
Old GT wrote:
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So obviously you can't see it so this is no longer a profitable exchange.
I should have known it wanst profitable when I first saw you avoiding things that poked holes in your belief. First it was your statement that ONLY blood atoned for sin. Then the temple. Then probably something else Im forgetting. All the way to where we are now with you disregarding the law saying that the "secret/hidden" things Israel is not responsible for when in all actuality, God would later make them responsible for the "hidden/secret/mystery " that was planned all along. See instead of scrapping this belief because of what Deut 29:29 says, you simply disregard what Deut 29:29 says. Its your free will though

Since: Jul 12

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#465 Aug 6, 2014
Flygerian wrote:
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God is One not three. And by you attempting to use this verse as proof of your god, you're insinuating that he is more than one.
"Our" and "Us" are plural. Now you know.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#466 Aug 6, 2014
Flygerian wrote:
Your brain is the size of a boiled egg.
God bless you with:

Proverbs 3:33 (NKJV)
33 The curse of the LORD is on the house of the wicked,

in Jesus' Name. Amen.

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#467 Aug 6, 2014
The "few" probably comes from Isaiah 24:6. "Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left". A few is three but I think it means 3%. About 210 million people that will survive Judgment Day, the first Day of the Lord. And then comes Daniel 7:10. "...thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened". According to Christianity there will only be 144,000 but according to the scripture there will be a lot more. Why would virginity be a requirement? The criteria will be righteousness and repentance.
Flygerian

Dallas, TX

#468 Aug 6, 2014
dollarsbill wrote:
<quoted text>"Our" and "Us" are plural. Now you know.
I've known your belief system is pagan for awhile now. Thank you for reiterating it for those that do not know
Flygerian

Dallas, TX

#469 Aug 6, 2014
dollarsbill wrote:
<quoted text>God bless you with:
Proverbs 3:33 (NKJV)
33 The curse of the LORD is on the house of the wicked,
in Jesus' Name. Amen.
"bless them that curse you"

Seems like another verse you dont have to listen to I assume?

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#470 Aug 6, 2014
Flygerian wrote:
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I've known your belief system is pagan for awhile now. Thank you for reiterating it for those that do not know
I'm not the Author of Gen 1 26. DUH!
Flygerian

Arlington, TX

#471 Aug 6, 2014
dollarsbill wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not the Author of Gen 1 26. DUH!
My statement didnt insinuate or imply that you were the author.

"Our/US" = "more than one"

Deut 6:4- "God is ONE"

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#472 Aug 6, 2014
Flygerian wrote:
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My statement didnt insinuate or imply that you were the author.
"Our/US" = "more than one"
Deut 6:4- "God is ONE"
To clarify: plurality withing the one true God of the Bible, Father and Son.

Us, Our, plural.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#473 Aug 6, 2014
withing/ within
Flygerian

Dallas, TX

#474 Aug 6, 2014
dollarsbill wrote:
<quoted text>To clarify: plurality withing the one true God of the Bible, Father and Son.
Which the law and the prophets give no basis to existing.
dollarsbill wrote:
Us, Our, plural.
"One" cannot be "US/OUR"

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#475 Aug 6, 2014
Flygerian wrote:
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Which the law and the prophets give no basis to existing.
<quoted text>
"One" cannot be "US/OUR"
Then why did God refer to Himself as Us and Our?

Genesis 1:26 (NKJV)
26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;

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