Do Buddhists and/or Buddhism get any ...

Cookie_Parker

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#134 Jan 2, 2013
Job wrote:
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To show how hi-lighting similarities can give a false impression. We know that they were 2 different individuals because they lived within a close enough period to ours to discern historical accuracy. 2,000 years from now, if mankind still exists, humans lose the majority of records (let's say due to some sort of apocalyptic scenario), Abraham Lincoln is considered a 'myth', with limited info they can easily conclude that Abe and Kennedy were one and the same.
The Titanic ship could end up as a myth as well due to a book written prior to it's destruction with uncanny similarities (a sinking ship called the 'Titan').
And?
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#135 Jan 3, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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And?
What is it that you're not understanding? As far as I can tell, answering your question "and" is equivalent to me, when asked a general question as to where I live, I go as far as to give them my address. What more could I tell them if they retort with "and"?
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#136 Jan 3, 2013
Hello wrote:
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Not when Jesus even admits the teachings aren't his own:
John 7:16 Jesus responded to them, "What I teach doesn't come from me but from the one who sent me.
8:26 but he who sent me is true and what he has said to me I say to the world.
Yes, Jesus was referring to God the Father. I don't Buddha met that criteria.
Hello

New York, NY

#137 Jan 3, 2013
Job wrote:
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Yes, Jesus was referring to God the Father. I don't Buddha met that criteria.
It does if the teachings are from him. Buddha is called "Father" by his disciples in Buddhist texts.

Jesus used the term 'abba' for Father which no Jew ever used for god:

The key study by Jeremias'[Jerem.CentM, 19-27; see also Jerem.NTT, 65-8] takes a long and detailed look at this special term. To touch upon the high points briefly:

Jeremias notes that "Abba" had only come to mean "Father" when used among human beings - and adds that to use the term when referring to God was unthinkable. It was not used by Jews in such a familiar way until the Hasidim movement, which began in the 18th century. The use of "Abba" is "without analogy in the Jewish prayers of the first millenium A.D."
Hello

New York, NY

#138 Jan 3, 2013
Here is the Buddhist text which states Buddha is the Father to his disciples:

Buddha in the Anupada Sutta of MN 111 states clearly:

"If a person, rightly saying it of anyone, were to say,'He is the Blessed One's son, his offspring born of his mouth, born of the Dhamma, created by the Dhamma, his heir in the Dhamma, not his heir in material things,' he would be rightly saying it of Sariputra if he were to say:'He is the Blessed One's son, his offspring born of his mouth, born of the Dhamma, created by the Dhamma, his heir in the Dhamma, not his heir in material things.' Sariputta, monks, takes the unexcelled wheel of Dhamma set rolling by the Tathagata, and keeps it rolling rightly."

§ 100.{Iti 4.1; Iti 101}

This was said by the Blessed One, said by the Arahant, so I have heard: "I am a brahman, responsive to requests, open-handed, bearing my last body, an unsurpassed doctor & surgeon.

You are my children, my sons, born from my mouth, born of the Dhamma, created by the Dhamma, heirs to the Dhamma, not heirs in material things.
What

Ava, MO

#139 Jan 3, 2013
"Do Buddhists and/or Buddhism get any enlightenment from Buddha?"

Of course Satan is always calling his decptions and lies enlightenment as long as it takes the worlds eyes off of Christ Jesus.
Hello

New York, NY

#140 Jan 3, 2013
What wrote:
"Do Buddhists and/or Buddhism get any enlightenment from Buddha?"
Of course Satan is always calling his decptions and lies enlightenment as long as it takes the worlds eyes off of Christ Jesus.
Jesus too was called satan. The ignorant fools better watch who they call satan.
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#141 Jan 4, 2013
Hello wrote:
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It does if the teachings are from him. Buddha is called "Father" by his disciples in Buddhist texts.
Jesus used the term 'abba' for Father which no Jew ever used for god:
The key study by Jeremias'[Jerem.CentM, 19-27; see also Jerem.NTT, 65-8] takes a long and detailed look at this special term. To touch upon the high points briefly:
Jeremias notes that "Abba" had only come to mean "Father" when used among human beings - and adds that to use the term when referring to God was unthinkable. It was not used by Jews in such a familiar way until the Hasidim movement, which began in the 18th century. The use of "Abba" is "without analogy in the Jewish prayers of the first millenium A.D."
Jesus said, and did, many things that offended the 'cultural' trendy of that day. The religious leaders were offended 'by' His references to being the Son of God (in essence, God).

The 'similarities' in the teaching are just that, similarities. It's when the 'differences' are are matched together that we see there's no 'direct', or 'significant' relation.
Hello

New York, NY

#142 Jan 4, 2013
Job wrote:
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Jesus said, and did, many things that offended the 'cultural' trendy of that day. The religious leaders were offended 'by' His references to being the Son of God (in essence, God).
The 'similarities' in the teaching are just that, similarities. It's when the 'differences' are are matched together that we see there's no 'direct', or 'significant' relation.
Again, you are not a scholar. Some of the best scholars don't deny the obvious influence.

To deny the very fact that Jesus himself said his teachings are not his own shows how evil you guys are.

The very theme of a teacher teaching disciples and teaching The Law is copied from Buddhism.

Conquest of satan is copied from Buddhism.

Walking on water and most of the miracles are also blatant copies.

Your denial of the obvious is your cultural bias. In the end acts of forgeries are caught by honest people-- which you obviously are not.

Cookie_Parker

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#143 Jan 4, 2013
Hello wrote:
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It does if the teachings are from him. Buddha is called "Father" by his disciples in Buddhist texts.
Jesus used the term 'abba' for Father which no Jew ever used for god:
The key study by Jeremias'[Jerem.CentM, 19-27; see also Jerem.NTT, 65-8] takes a long and detailed look at this special term. To touch upon the high points briefly:
Jeremias notes that "Abba" had only come to mean "Father" when used among human beings - and adds that to use the term when referring to God was unthinkable. It was not used by Jews in such a familiar way until the Hasidim movement, which began in the 18th century. The use of "Abba" is "without analogy in the Jewish prayers of the first millenium A.D."
No, you really have it wrong. They are called teachers...not fathers...your mixing of buddhism and christianity doesn't fly.

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#144 Jan 4, 2013
Hello wrote:
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Again, you are not a scholar. Some of the best scholars don't deny the obvious influence.
To deny the very fact that Jesus himself said his teachings are not his own shows how evil you guys are.
The very theme of a teacher teaching disciples and teaching The Law is copied from Buddhism.
Conquest of satan is copied from Buddhism.
Walking on water and most of the miracles are also blatant copies.
Your denial of the obvious is your cultural bias. In the end acts of forgeries are caught by honest people-- which you obviously are not.
Sorry, but you can't push this...you can't pretend Christianity is Buddhism.

Cookie_Parker

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#145 Jan 4, 2013
Hello wrote:
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Again, you are not a scholar. Some of the best scholars don't deny the obvious influence.
To deny the very fact that Jesus himself said his teachings are not his own shows how evil you guys are.
The very theme of a teacher teaching disciples and teaching The Law is copied from Buddhism.
Conquest of satan is copied from Buddhism.
Walking on water and most of the miracles are also blatant copies.
Your denial of the obvious is your cultural bias. In the end acts of forgeries are caught by honest people-- which you obviously are not.
There's no satan in Buddhism...It's all within...not outward.
Hello

New York, NY

#146 Jan 4, 2013
The forgery or counterfeit Dhamma is predicted by Buddha in Saddhammapatirupaka Sutta:

But there is no disappearance of the true Dhamma, Kassapa, till a counterfeit Dhamma arises in the world; but when a counterfeit Dhamma arises, then there is a disappearance of the true Dhamma...

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Basically what this means is that those who counterfeited Buddhist Suttas as teachings of Jesus will not get what they were promised, just like getting gold dust is no substitute for real gold.

Just wait and see, no entry into heaven. Christians will not have the right code to get in. Immigration policies are quite strict in heaven.

Cookie_Parker

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#147 Jan 4, 2013
Hello wrote:
The forgery or counterfeit Dhamma is predicted by Buddha in Saddhammapatirupaka Sutta:
But there is no disappearance of the true Dhamma, Kassapa, till a counterfeit Dhamma arises in the world; but when a counterfeit Dhamma arises, then there is a disappearance of the true Dhamma...
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Basically what this means is that those who counterfeited Buddhist Suttas as teachings of Jesus will not get what they were promised, just like getting gold dust is no substitute for real gold.
Just wait and see, no entry into heaven. Christians will not have the right code to get in. Immigration policies are quite strict in heaven.
ROFLMAO!!!

It's Dharma....

and

saddharma patirupaka sutra

Japanese school of Buddhism...do you know how many schools of buddhism there are? And there are no texts which preach anything..there are paths for the attainment of Enlightenment.

http://books.google.com/books...

And it's not talking about Christianity..not in Japan...

Geeze, quit trying to christianize buddhism..either study it or leave it alone.
Zazenmind

Riverview, FL

#148 Jan 6, 2013
Job wrote:
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Here's something you may want to consider, you being one who promotes the idea that humanity is becoming enlightened.
While it's true anti-theist/no-religion groups don't generally address Buddhism as a problem, that doesn't mean that it never will. What people don't realize is that anti-theist/no-religion groups, individuals (whether politically active or not) are not all on the same page any more than Christian denominations were in theocratic European history.
Despite the common phrase "Buddhism is not a religion", Buddhism is considered one of the major religions of the world. If individual governments, or a more global government develops an anti-theistic/no-religion type police state, Buddhists are subject to the same type of possible repression Abrahamic, or any other religions may face.
This sort of "free pass" that Buddhists in the west, or those who sort loosely associate themselves with Buddhist philosophy assume they will get is a fantasy. The idea that society is just going to swing your way because of some supposed enlightenment. And such a society as I referred to wouldn't care one bit about who or what Buddha was or wasn't.
For religion,and its followers, the path is a circle, called tradition, this is what Gautama( Buddha) sought to change in himself and for others that would one day wake up as he did..I am one of those, that has awakened, not trapped in any circle of man made tradition, be it culture, race, doctrine, dogma or belief of any type..Thus Buddha, wanted to break the cycle of return or reincarnation, which has its roots in our genes, he was the first one, to realize and teach, that our genes can be changed by our thoughts and behavior, that our genetics were changable, that we were not doomed to live in a circle or cycle of recycled waste, to be continously consumed by humans like vultures eating dead matter..The path of every religion, is a dead circle of repetition, which is why, whenever something new is realized, is met with fear, ignorance and violence..
frank

Holly Springs, NC

#149 Jan 6, 2013
Lol good luck, these people are a little too far gone to comprehend, they'd much rather believe in horned devils and messiahs than learn about themselves and see life as-it-is.

peace
frank

Holly Springs, NC

#150 Jan 6, 2013
These people believe in devil-boogeymen,that Yeshuaha Bin Yusef is a magical zombie, and that people enter directly into eternal fire upon death, not realizing that they're the devil-in0flesh and "hell fire" is when we shall bundle them up one day and sit them on fire

. This is exactly what happens when non-Hebrews take control of the religion and combine it with their paganisn:

"O G-d, please destroy the devils (edomites)!"

Amen

Since: Dec 09

United States

#151 Jan 6, 2013
Hello wrote:
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Buddha was not a Hindu prince. No such thing existed as Hinduism during Buddha's time.
Hinduism is a foreign faith formed after Buddhism to try to destroy the message of Lord Buddha that you are masters of your own fate, here are the tools of ethics and wisdom, use them, YOU BECOME WORTHY OF WORSHIP through your deeds, worship no one.
Instead the evil Hindu tradition took over spreading caste system, gender humiliation and iniquity.
RESULT: Hindu India is hell with the ugliest people if they can be called human, no ethics, raping even little girls -- a veritable sewage of worshipping cows, trees, snakes and monkeys.
Hinduism = Monkeys worshipping monkeys, who think twisting themselves into pretzels and standing on their heads will bring them enlightenment.
HELLO: "Hinduism is a foreign faith formed after Buddhism to try to destroy the message of Lord Buddha that you are masters of your own fate,..."

If Buddha was master his own fate, why did he allow his message to be destroyed?

Cookie_Parker

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#152 Jan 6, 2013
Job wrote:
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What is it that you're not understanding? As far as I can tell, answering your question "and" is equivalent to me, when asked a general question as to where I live, I go as far as to give them my address. What more could I tell them if they retort with "and"?
What correlation are you trying to compare with Jesus and Siddharta?

Cookie_Parker

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#153 Jan 6, 2013
Hello wrote:
Here is the Buddhist text which states Buddha is the Father to his disciples:
Buddha in the Anupada Sutta of MN 111 states clearly:
"If a person, rightly saying it of anyone, were to say,'He is the Blessed One's son, his offspring born of his mouth, born of the Dhamma, created by the Dhamma, his heir in the Dhamma, not his heir in material things,' he would be rightly saying it of Sariputra if he were to say:'He is the Blessed One's son, his offspring born of his mouth, born of the Dhamma, created by the Dhamma, his heir in the Dhamma, not his heir in material things.' Sariputta, monks, takes the unexcelled wheel of Dhamma set rolling by the Tathagata, and keeps it rolling rightly."
§ 100.{Iti 4.1; Iti 101}
This was said by the Blessed One, said by the Arahant, so I have heard: "I am a brahman, responsive to requests, open-handed, bearing my last body, an unsurpassed doctor & surgeon.
You are my children, my sons, born from my mouth, born of the Dhamma, created by the Dhamma, heirs to the Dhamma, not heirs in material things.
There is no sacred book of Buddha. This is from the Theravada school of Buddhism. And Hindus came BEFORE Buddhists....

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