zazenmind

Tampa, FL

#114 Dec 28, 2012
frank wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, according to you!
However the Buddha said many other things as well. I'm not denying that there is some benefit to the basic philosophy, however it also cannot be denied that amongst the oldest sutras there are teachings attributed to the Buddha that clearly discuss rebirths, other realms, and deities--and traditional Theravadans believe in these teachings.
Most people love to play make believe, Buddha was not, one to entertain such non-sense, he was an earthling, which is why, he said the earth was his witness, not a God or Gods or Goddesses, but you and everyone else are free to entertain ghost, realms and dieties..Buddha was a brilliant psycologist, not a cheap spirit and ghost peddler, like all priest..
zazenmind

Tampa, FL

#115 Dec 28, 2012
Buddha was a mature mind, unlike any priest, Buddha without denouncing anyone, was and still miles above all other so call saviors, prophets and God, just by simpling being himself, a human being, that never claimed to have any special divine power or revelation, he loved being an earthling..But like so many others, before him, he was made by many others to be something he never actually was or claimed for himself....

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#116 Dec 28, 2012
zazenmind wrote:
Buddha was a mature mind, unlike any priest, Buddha without denouncing anyone, was and still miles above all other so call saviors, prophets and God, just by simpling being himself, a human being, that never claimed to have any special divine power or revelation, he loved being an earthling..But like so many others, before him, he was made by many others to be something he never actually was or claimed for himself....
Exactly.
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#117 Dec 29, 2012
zazenmind wrote:
Buddha was a mature mind, unlike any priest, Buddha without denouncing anyone, was and still miles above all other so call saviors, prophets and God, just by simpling being himself, a human being, that never claimed to have any special divine power or revelation, he loved being an earthling..But like so many others, before him, he was made by many others to be something he never actually was or claimed for himself....
Here's something you may want to consider, you being one who promotes the idea that humanity is becoming enlightened.

While it's true anti-theist/no-religion groups don't generally address Buddhism as a problem, that doesn't mean that it never will. What people don't realize is that anti-theist/no-religion groups, individuals (whether politically active or not) are not all on the same page any more than Christian denominations were in theocratic European history.

Despite the common phrase "Buddhism is not a religion", Buddhism is considered one of the major religions of the world. If individual governments, or a more global government develops an anti-theistic/no-religion type police state, Buddhists are subject to the same type of possible repression Abrahamic, or any other religions may face.

This sort of "free pass" that Buddhists in the west, or those who sort loosely associate themselves with Buddhist philosophy assume they will get is a fantasy. The idea that society is just going to swing your way because of some supposed enlightenment. And such a society as I referred to wouldn't care one bit about who or what Buddha was or wasn't.

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#118 Dec 29, 2012
Job wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's something you may want to consider, you being one who promotes the idea that humanity is becoming enlightened.
While it's true anti-theist/no-religion groups don't generally address Buddhism as a problem, that doesn't mean that it never will. What people don't realize is that anti-theist/no-religion groups, individuals (whether politically active or not) are not all on the same page any more than Christian denominations were in theocratic European history.
Despite the common phrase "Buddhism is not a religion", Buddhism is considered one of the major religions of the world. If individual governments, or a more global government develops an anti-theistic/no-religion type police state, Buddhists are subject to the same type of possible repression Abrahamic, or any other religions may face.
This sort of "free pass" that Buddhists in the west, or those who sort loosely associate themselves with Buddhist philosophy assume they will get is a fantasy. The idea that society is just going to swing your way because of some supposed enlightenment. And such a society as I referred to wouldn't care one bit about who or what Buddha was or wasn't.
Please quote where he/she said humanity is "becoming enlightened".

We aren't out recruiting anyone. We don't congregate to vote as a solid block. We are on paths of our own, looking into ourselves to attainment our own enlightenment.
Hello

Flushing, NY

#119 Dec 29, 2012
Job wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's something you may want to consider, you being one who promotes the idea that humanity is becoming enlightened.
While it's true anti-theist/no-religion groups don't generally address Buddhism as a problem, that doesn't mean that it never will. What people don't realize is that anti-theist/no-religion groups, individuals (whether politically active or not) are not all on the same page any more than Christian denominations were in theocratic European history.
Despite the common phrase "Buddhism is not a religion", Buddhism is considered one of the major religions of the world. If individual governments, or a more global government develops an anti-theistic/no-religion type police state, Buddhists are subject to the same type of possible repression Abrahamic, or any other religions may face.
This sort of "free pass" that Buddhists in the west, or those who sort loosely associate themselves with Buddhist philosophy assume they will get is a fantasy. The idea that society is just going to swing your way because of some supposed enlightenment. And such a society as I referred to wouldn't care one bit about who or what Buddha was or wasn't.
Since when has Buddhism gotten a "free pass" as you claim?

Just because most people don't understand Buddhism does not mean it ever got a free pass. Historians have misrepresented Buddhism, Hindus failed to understand it. People have been misrepresenting its teachings quite a lot.

The first question non Buddhists get stumped on is why isn't god central to it's teachings? Buddhism has tons of supernatural things in it. However, it's the core 4 Noble Truths which has everyone stumped.
frank

Greenville, NC

#120 Dec 30, 2012
zazenmind wrote:
<quoted text> Most people love to play make believe, Buddha was not, one to entertain such non-sense, he was an earthling, which is why, he said the earth was his witness, not a God or Gods or Goddesses, but you and everyone else are free to entertain ghost, realms and dieties..Buddha was a brilliant psycologist, not a cheap spirit and ghost peddler, like all priest..
Man, listen to what I'm telling , okay?

Again, I don't deny that there's some benefit in basic buddhism...however the guy, in his oldst teachings, disucussed deities and how to attain favorable rebirths. You can detach the practice from these teachings and it still functions but it cannot be denied that he said these things.

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#121 Dec 30, 2012
frank wrote:
<quoted text>
Man, listen to what I'm telling , okay?
Again, I don't deny that there's some benefit in basic buddhism...however the guy, in his oldst teachings, disucussed deities and how to attain favorable rebirths. You can detach the practice from these teachings and it still functions but it cannot be denied that he said these things.
Sure it can...you have yet to produce evidence.

Christianizing Buddhism won't occur...
Gary

Ashburn, VA

#122 Dec 31, 2012
@hello u r idiot buddha was born in lumbini nepal in the kshatriya caste of hindu king.u can search in google or wikipedia .lord buddha is a light of world
Hello

Flushing, NY

#123 Dec 31, 2012
Gary wrote:
@hello u r idiot buddha was born in lumbini nepal in the kshatriya caste of hindu king.u can search in google or wikipedia .lord buddha is a light of world
Hindus did not exist during Buddha's time, why dont you do a serious search? hindu priests from the foreign hindu kings were so dumb they made temples promoting bestiality-- just see khajrao temples built by your filthy foreign hindu kings, instead of promoting Buddha's teachings of ethics and meditation which is why India fell to it's horrible fate.

Siddhatha was born in Lumbini, Buddha was born in Bodha Gaya and is the self of all good beings. Buddha said he was born in an Arya Khattiya lineage, no word or people as Hindu existed until the decline of Buddhism. Visitors from China mention in their chronicles that the nonBuddhist populations are now calling themselves Hindus.

Hindus doing superficial mouth service to Buddha is too little too late and an evil attempt to undermine Buddha's teachings.

Hinduism is the trap of evil. They claim everything is god, and so worship everything.

Buddha upon enlightenment looked through the entire universe to see what or whom he or anyone should honor.

Buddha declared only Dhamma (ethics, virtue, wisdom) and those who practice it with integrity should be given honor.

Buddhism is the only religion that does not worship any idea of god or god, we only honor ethics and those who practice it, we honor wisdom that comes with ethics, and those who undergo the training as taught by Master Buddha.

By abandoning BodhA Dhamma, not protecting those expounding mental training, Hindus have made the greatest mistake in history.
endless mockery

Las Vegas, NV

#124 Jan 1, 2013
Did you guys catch those videos of the buddha boy "spontaneously combusting"?

Hmmmmmm. Probably no spirits involved there huh.?

I think that i remember an old story that I heard where some people were protected from fire by him, they walked about in it and were not burned, completely fine, and obviously a parable.

This combustion was not so spontaneous if you ask me.

And they all do it in ritualistic mockery of him, because they despise love and truth.

The shaman do it, the buddha boy was on film doing it, who knows who else does it, the tribal people eat coals, etc......

"I'm not burned, I'm not burned." That is what they say.

You know how they pick the new llama? They tell the kid which ones to pick, that is all that it is, the spirits simply tell the kid which one, cool trick right?. And they have very good memories and ultimate patience, they will forever remember and be able to wait to tell the new one which one to pick.

It is very simple this answer, if buddha wasn't one of them, one of jesus' people, who actually usually just get maimed by everyone, then he isn't worth listening to. And all that jesus' people were ever good for was writing down what he had to say anyway, what him and his father said that is.

Because they are love, and they mean us to become the same actually, buddha is nothing but a peddlar of the pharmakeia, inner drugs, enlightenment, call it what you will, they are only drugs. But not to worry, everyone must deal with those at first, it is only natural, like blind little children we start to gobble them up left and right not knowing what we are doing, but how else could we have known really?.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#125 Jan 1, 2013
What Buddha wished he had known:
www.scribd.com/doc/31322017/Salvation ...
Hello

Flushing, NY

#126 Jan 1, 2013
It's not very simple when your brain is made of garbage, better know where Jesus' teachings come from,

John 7:16 Jesus responded to them, "What I teach doesn't come from me but from the one who sent me.

http://dharmafarer.org/wordpress/wp-content/u...

In 1816, the historian George Faber in his book, The Origin of Pagan Idolatry Ascertained from Historical Testimony, writes,“There is so strong a resemblance between the characters of Jesus and of Buddha, that it cannot have been purely accidental.”(1816: 649)

The German scholar, Max Müller (1823-1900), a pioneer of comparative religion, learning of the Buddhist/Christian borrowing claims, intended to prove the priority of the Jesus gospels over the Buddh- ist texts. However, later, in his India: What it Can Teach Us, he notes “[t]hat there are startling coincid- ences between Buddhism and Christianity cannot be denied, and it must likewise be admitted that Buddh- ism existed at least 400 years before Christianity. I go even further, and should feel extremely grateful if anybody would point out to me the historical channels through which Buddhism had influenced early Christianity.”(1883).

Rudolf Seydel of the University of Leipzig, in The Gospel of Jesus in relation to the Buddha Legend (1882), and again, in The Buddha Legend and the Life of Jesus (1897), noted around fifty similarities between Buddhist and Christian parables and teachings.

E Washburn Hopkins of Yale in his History of Religions (1918), even claims that “Finally, the life, temptation, miracles, parables, and even the disciples of Jesus have been derived directly from Buddh- ism.”(1918: 552, 556).

Daniel Hopkins, in his book, Father and Son, East is West (2007), gives the Buddhist sources of Christianity and their influence on medieval myths, in which he claims that the Jesus gospels were highly allegorical and mysterious in order to hide the name of Jesus’ father, which he claims was the Buddha’s name.

Burkhard Scherer, Professor of Indo-Tibetan Studies at England’s Canterbury Christ Church Uni- versity, writes:“...it is very important to draw attention to the fact that there is [massive] Buddhist influ- ence in the Gospels.... Since more than a hundred years, Buddhist influence in the Gospels has been known and acknowledged by scholars from both sides.” And adds:“Just recently, Duncan McDerret published his excellent The Bible and the Buddhists (Sardini, Bornato [Italy] 2001).18 With McDerret, I am convinced that there are many Buddhist narratives in the Gospels.”19
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#127 Jan 1, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>
Please quote where he/she said humanity is "becoming enlightened".
We aren't out recruiting anyone. We don't congregate to vote as a solid block. We are on paths of our own, looking into ourselves to attainment our own enlightenment.
My statement was to a very specific poster in regards to numberous comments on different threads. Many, said poster creates.
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#128 Jan 1, 2013
Hello wrote:
1. <quoted text>
Since when has Buddhism gotten a "free pass" as you claim?
Just because most people don't understand Buddhism does not mean it ever got a free pass. Historians have misrepresented Buddhism, Hindus failed to understand it. People have been misrepresenting its teachings quite a lot.

2. The first question non Buddhists get stumped on is why isn't god central to it's teachings? Buddhism has tons of supernatural things in it. However, it's the core 4 Noble Truths which has everyone stumped.
1. The comment I made does 'not' suggest they get a "free-pass". I think you misread me, but the comment I made to that specific poster could apply to you as well (maybe, maybe not). This may depend on your view of "freedom 'of' religion", vs. "freedom 'from' religion".

2. As I understand it, Buddhism doesn't make any claim that there is or isn't a God.
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#129 Jan 1, 2013
Hello wrote:
It's not very simple when your brain is made of garbage, better know where Jesus' teachings come from,
John 7:16 Jesus responded to them, "What I teach doesn't come from me but from the one who sent me.
http://dharmafarer.org/wordpress/wp-content/u...
In 1816, the historian George Faber in his book, The Origin of Pagan Idolatry Ascertained from Historical Testimony, writes,“There is so strong a resemblance between the characters of Jesus and of Buddha, that it cannot have been purely accidental.”(1816: 649)
The German scholar, Max Müller (1823-1900), a pioneer of comparative religion, learning of the Buddhist/Christian borrowing claims, intended to prove the priority of the Jesus gospels over the Buddh- ist texts. However, later, in his India: What it Can Teach Us, he notes “[t]hat there are startling coincid- ences between Buddhism and Christianity cannot be denied, and it must likewise be admitted that Buddh- ism existed at least 400 years before Christianity. I go even further, and should feel extremely grateful if anybody would point out to me the historical channels through which Buddhism had influenced early Christianity.”(1883).
Rudolf Seydel of the University of Leipzig, in The Gospel of Jesus in relation to the Buddha Legend (1882), and again, in The Buddha Legend and the Life of Jesus (1897), noted around fifty similarities between Buddhist and Christian parables and teachings.
E Washburn Hopkins of Yale in his History of Religions (1918), even claims that “Finally, the life, temptation, miracles, parables, and even the disciples of Jesus have been derived directly from Buddh- ism.”(1918: 552, 556).
Daniel Hopkins, in his book, Father and Son, East is West (2007), gives the Buddhist sources of Christianity and their influence on medieval myths, in which he claims that the Jesus gospels were highly allegorical and mysterious in order to hide the name of Jesus’ father, which he claims was the Buddha’s name.
Burkhard Scherer, Professor of Indo-Tibetan Studies at England’s Canterbury Christ Church Uni- versity, writes:“...it is very important to draw attention to the fact that there is [massive] Buddhist influ- ence in the Gospels.... Since more than a hundred years, Buddhist influence in the Gospels has been known and acknowledged by scholars from both sides.” And adds:“Just recently, Duncan McDerret published his excellent The Bible and the Buddhists (Sardini, Bornato [Italy] 2001).18 With McDerret, I am convinced that there are many Buddhist narratives in the Gospels.”19
Earlier you claimed that Buddhism has been misrepresented by historians. What makes you think Christianity is not misrepresented by historians. You seem to be claiming something as fact based on opinions due to perceived remarkable similarities. There are probably multiple 'remarkable' similarities which when placed against the vast differences, don't amount to anything. Here's another remarkable similarity:

http://edweb.tusd.k12.az.us/sandre/andre28.ht...

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#130 Jan 2, 2013
frank wrote:
<quoted text>
Man, listen to what I'm telling , okay?
Again, I don't deny that there's some benefit in basic buddhism...however the guy, in his oldst teachings, disucussed deities and how to attain favorable rebirths. You can detach the practice from these teachings and it still functions but it cannot be denied that he said these things.
Please explain how one gets a favorable rebirth....I'd love to hear your depth of knowledge.

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#131 Jan 2, 2013
Job wrote:
<quoted text>
Earlier you claimed that Buddhism has been misrepresented by historians. What makes you think Christianity is not misrepresented by historians. You seem to be claiming something as fact based on opinions due to perceived remarkable similarities. There are probably multiple 'remarkable' similarities which when placed against the vast differences, don't amount to anything. Here's another remarkable similarity:
http://edweb.tusd.k12.az.us/sandre/andre28.ht...
That shows Kennedy and Lincoln. Your reason for putting this up?
Job

Santa Clara, CA

#132 Jan 2, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>
That shows Kennedy and Lincoln. Your reason for putting this up?
To show how hi-lighting similarities can give a false impression. We know that they were 2 different individuals because they lived within a close enough period to ours to discern historical accuracy. 2,000 years from now, if mankind still exists, humans lose the majority of records (let's say due to some sort of apocalyptic scenario), Abraham Lincoln is considered a 'myth', with limited info they can easily conclude that Abe and Kennedy were one and the same.

The Titanic ship could end up as a myth as well due to a book written prior to it's destruction with uncanny similarities (a sinking ship called the 'Titan').
Hello

Flushing, NY

#133 Jan 2, 2013
Job wrote:
<quoted text>
To show how hi-lighting similarities can give a false impression. We know that they were 2 different individuals because they lived within a close enough period to ours to discern historical accuracy. 2,000 years from now, if mankind still exists, humans lose the majority of records (let's say due to some sort of apocalyptic scenario), Abraham Lincoln is considered a 'myth', with limited info they can easily conclude that Abe and Kennedy were one and the same.
The Titanic ship could end up as a myth as well due to a book written prior to it's destruction with uncanny similarities (a sinking ship called the 'Titan').
Not when Jesus even admits the teachings aren't his own:

John 7:16 Jesus responded to them, "What I teach doesn't come from me but from the one who sent me.

8:26 but he who sent me is true and what he has said to me I say to the world.

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