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Do Buddhists and/or Buddhism get any enlightenment from Buddha?

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Since: May 10

Thornhill, Canada

#1 May 27, 2010
Hi friends

Buddhism without any truthful message from Buddha written or dictated by Buddha; has no enlightenment in it; it is mere enslavement of self in meaningless meditation; while our Buddhist friends may name it "self liberation" or "meditation" through understanding human nature; whatever. They cannot hide behind words. It is simple; if they don’t have first hand connection with the “Enlightened One”- the Buddha: how could they get any enlightenment from him.

The Buddhist and/or Buddhism have only second hand scriptures with them; so what they get is perhaps a third hand information.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
littletree

Riverview, FL

#2 May 27, 2010
paarsurrey wrote:
Hi friends
Buddhism without any truthful message from Buddha written or dictated by Buddha; has no enlightenment in it; it is mere enslavement of self in meaningless meditation; while our Buddhist friends may name it "self liberation" or "meditation" through understanding human nature; whatever. They cannot hide behind words. It is simple; if they don’t have first hand connection with the “Enlightened One”- the Buddha: how could they get any enlightenment from him.
The Buddhist and/or Buddhism have only second hand scriptures with them; so what they get is perhaps a third hand information.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
Buddhist have no mythology or superstition or imaginary sky daddy to worship and fear or violent prophets that hear a voice saying go and kill the infadel, all this is found in the scriptures of islam, judaism, catholicism and protestanism, you know the three cousins that are still bombing and killing one another in the middle east..Buddhist are only concerned with cause of suffering and then working with the methodology of meditation to understand the cause of suffering, no speculating or wasting time interpreting primitive scriptures, Buddhist are deeply rooted in the now, the only reality their is..WE ARE THE AWAKENED ONES..

“Jesus forgives..... ”

Since: May 08

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#3 Jun 4, 2010
Buddha is only a man like you and me!

Since: May 10

Concord, Canada

#4 Jun 6, 2010
Divine Alien wrote:
Buddha is only a man like you and me!
Hi friend "Divine Alien"

I agree with you; but have you not read the thread "Buddha remains unique without equal, a religionless religion, no God or beliefs". The Buddhists have started eulogizing Buddha.

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/christian...

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Since: May 10

Concord, Canada

#5 Jun 6, 2010
Divine Alien wrote:
Buddha is only a man like you and me!
Hi friend "Divine Alien"

Buddha is a man just like Jesus or Moses or Krishna or Zoroaster; the only difference is they all received Word of Revelation from the Creator- God Allah YHWH.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
Chicago Guy

Winnetka, IL

#6 Jun 6, 2010
paarsurrey wrote:
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Hi friend "Divine Alien"
Buddha is a man just like Jesus or Moses or Krishna or Zoroaster; the only difference is they all received Word of Revelation from the Creator- God Allah YHWH.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
I am Christian, myself, but with all due respect, your claim that all of the above individuals "received Word of Revelation from the Creator" is nothing more than a reflection of your own muslim faith, is it not?

In your own opinion, and worldview, perhaps the Buddha was not divinely inspired, or historically provable, but then again, the same could be said for Mohamed, or for Jesus, could it not?

“Jesus forgives..... ”

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#8 Jun 9, 2010
paarsurrey wrote:
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Hi friend "Divine Alien"
Buddha is a man just like Jesus or Moses or Krishna or Zoroaster; the only difference is they all received Word of Revelation from the Creator- God Allah YHWH.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
Devil can also impersonate as God too.
sampuna

Malaysia

#9 Dec 11, 2012
A little revisit on this topic on this interesting non-Buddhist forum ;)

Buddha is indeed the MAN ;)

Never once he employed the tool of mystism to pull the crowd to Him. Neither was he a god/God, nor prophet ordained by god/God, nor divine. Yet his life is more divine than any Overlord on Earth.

By showing the Path & Fruition (Magga Phala) did people go to Him,the Light Of Asia.

He is no giver. He's the Path Pointer. Ones who walk The Road will reach Rome ;)
Hello

Westbury, NY

#11 Dec 12, 2012
paarsurrey wrote:
Hi friends
Buddhism without any truthful message from Buddha written or dictated by Buddha; has no enlightenment in it; it is mere enslavement of self in meaningless meditation; while our Buddhist friends may name it "self liberation" or "meditation" through understanding human nature; whatever. They cannot hide behind words. It is simple; if they don’t have first hand connection with the “Enlightened One”- the Buddha: how could they get any enlightenment from him.
The Buddhist and/or Buddhism have only second hand scriptures with them; so what they get is perhaps a third hand information.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
Let me ask you a question,

If Jesus was a prophet and knew some all powerful god as christians and muslims claim than

1) why did Jesus cry in pain, Elohi why have you abandoned me?

2) why did Mohammad suffer so much after being poisoned by his Jewish wife before he died?

If your god is true and not false, if your god is indeed all powerful, after Jesus and Mohammad kept praying to their imaginary god asking god to help them -- why didn't god just use his "all powerfulness" to bring some dignity to his messengers instead of letting them crying out like big babies?

How come only Lord Buddha passed away in peaceful meditation, not crying like a stupid little girl like Jesus and Mohammad did?

Was it because the Noble Truth of Suffering is true, but your god is false?

Was it because the Noble Truth of the cause of Suffering is true, but your god is false?

Was it because the Noble Truth that there is cessation of suffering is true, but your god is false?

Was it because the Noble Truth of the Eightfold Path which ends suffering is true, but your god is false?

Perhaps Jesus and Mohammad should've called out to Buddha to teach them the truth instead of lies about god.
John from Texas

Buda, TX

#12 Dec 12, 2012
The laws of cause and effect are active.
zazenmind

Riverview, FL

#13 Dec 14, 2012
No!
Hello

Westbury, NY

#15 Dec 16, 2012
criminently wrote:
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Buddha was not a guy Siddhartha was a guy who took hinduism and gave it to the masses on how they could attain enlightenment in a life time
you know as little about buddhism as you do christianity and islam
You must be one of the dumb Hindus who reads the Gita but because of being evil and corrupt like the majority of Hindus, Christians, Muslims never understood that Buddhism is the supreme religion only given to supreme yogis.

buddhau Sharanam anvicchaa (Gita 2:49)
BG 14.2, BG 18.57,
BG 18.66

Text 10

tesam satata-yuktanam
bhajatam priti-purvakam
dadami buddhi-yogam tam
yena mam upayanti te

Translation

To those who are constantly devoted to serving Me with love, I give union with Buddha by which they can come to Me.
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Hindus, Christians and Muslims worship in ignorance and so are never set free:

Even those devotees who, endowed with faith, worship other gods, worship Me alone, O Arjuna, by the wrong methods.
-Gita, Ch.9, Verse 23

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Hindus should go have their women marry trees and worship cows and shut up.

Those who do not know the power of the Four Noble Truths are fools indeed.
Hello

Westbury, NY

#17 Dec 16, 2012
ooopsy daisy wrote:
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No, Buddhism was given to a prince named Siddharta to the masses so they could attain enlightenment in their lifetime.
http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/buddhistw...
http://kaykeys.net/spirit/buddhism/das.html
you can call Siddharta the Buddha, but he is no god and the buddha lies within us all as Buddha merely means "enlightened one"
Trying to Christinaize Buddhism won't work.
Your version of Buddhism won't work.

If you don't know who Buddha is, than what enlightenment shall a fool expect? You can expect to become stupid, for the majority have stupidity deep in their nature as the wise have Buddha:

We find references to the Buddha being God in the Pali Jatakas, in the "Deva Dhamma Jataka", the Bodhisat describes all the different kinds of Gods, with Buddha included in them:

‘‘Sammutidev&#257; n&#257;ma r&#257;j&#257;no deviyo r&#257;jakum&#257;r &#257;.
Upapattidev&#257; n&#257;ma bhummadeve up&#257;d&#257;ya taduttaridev&#257;. Visuddhidev&#257; n&#257;ma buddh&#257; paccekabuddh&#257; kh&#299;&#7751;&#2 57;sav&#257;’’ti

Kings are called God by convention.
Devas who are born amongst Devas are Devas by birth.
Buddhas and Paccekabuddhas are God owing to their purity.
Hello

Westbury, NY

#18 Dec 16, 2012
The only difference is that we Buddhists can become Buddhas, but Muslims can't become even a prophet or a Christian Jesus.
Hello

Westbury, NY

#20 Dec 16, 2012
not now wrote:
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There are many schools of buddhism, but your description of gods is not the same definition as the western thought of god.
You need to cast off western thought and really study eastern thought. Your inability to do that has you christianizing a philosophy founded 600 years before christianity
You cannot deny Buddhist influence on Christianity. Just because Christians have a twisted Buddhism, does not mean I am Christianizing Buddhism.

I don't say you should drink Buddha's blood and eat Buddha like Christians cannibalize Jesus.
Hello

Westbury, NY

#22 Dec 16, 2012
Plain Speaker wrote:
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There is no separate entity called a buddha in buddhism. Buddha is inside everyone, the ability to be "enlightened". That is what buddha means; the "Enlightened"
The god Horus of Egypt more closely influenced Christianity.
The first prerequisite of Buddhism is to always tell the truth, which is why Buddhism begins and ends with self evident truths known as The Four Noble Truths.

Again deny the great influence of Buddhism on Christianity at your own peril:

http://threeroyalwarriors.tripod.com/jesusthe...
Hello

Westbury, NY

#24 Dec 16, 2012
Cookie Parker gray boxing wrote:
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"Own peril"? THAT'S not practicing buddhism, that's' trying to incorporate buddhism into Christianity.
What are the perils you speak of?
What is this truth you speak of?
Please show where I lie.
Please provide REAL proof of Buddhism's influence on Christianity. I don't recall Christ quoting from any schools he attended. Surely, if Christ would have been impacted by Buddhism, he would have said something
Practicing the TRUTH at all times is the practice of Buddhism. Which is why ONLY Buddhism begins with and ends with Truths.

I gave you a link yet you keep lying. Christians are the biggest liars.

You don't understand the perils of lies? You are no Buddhist.
Hello

Westbury, NY

#25 Dec 16, 2012
Cookie Parker gray boxing wrote:
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"Own peril"? THAT'S not practicing buddhism, that's' trying to incorporate buddhism into Christianity.
What are the perils you speak of?
What is this truth you speak of?
Please show where I lie.
Please provide REAL proof of Buddhism's influence on Christianity. I don't recall Christ quoting from any schools he attended. Surely, if Christ would have been impacted by Buddhism, he would have said something
I provided REAL proof from Suttas, you better provide real proof that Christianity is borrowed from Horus.

You are a liar, therefore not a Buddhist. You are already dead.
Hello

Westbury, NY

#28 Dec 16, 2012
Cookie Parker gray boxing wrote:
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You have left out the biggest part of Buddhism...several, actually. The truth is a personal journey. And you don't flaunt what you are and know. You LIVE it.
I am not Christian. And not Buddhist would judge and condemn Christians.
Lying to yourself is the biggest peril.
The truth is not a personal journey, a liar would not know what truth is. You can tell the police and investigators about your stupid understanding of the truth.

The truth is a conclusion found through mental clarity which is found through meditation on self evident truths. Lies are thus set apart by meditating on Noble Truths.

You defend your lies. Horus? Really? You better provide scriptural evidence for your stupid conclusions I couldn't care less about the journey of a liar.
Hello

Westbury, NY

#29 Dec 16, 2012
Cookie Parker gray boxing wrote:
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Threats. You are no Buddhist.
And I am not dead
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.h...
One of the more controversial theories -- sometimes called the "copycat thesis" -- suggests that many of the miracles, other life events, and beliefs about the supernatural status of Horus, an ancient Egyptian God, were incorporated into stories about Jesus as recorded in Gospels and other books in the Christian Scriptures (New Testament).
The copycat thesis is strongly rejected by the vast majority of Christians but accepted by many skeptics.
bullet Most conservative Christians look upon the Bible as a "top-down" document: one revealed by God to humans. Since fraud, deceit, and lying are not attributes normally associated with God, they believe that the Bible -- as God's Word -- is truthful and accurate.
bullet Many skeptics view the Bible as a "bottom-up" document: one written by human authors to promote their religious and spiritual beliefs. Such authors are quite capable of adopting religious concepts of other cultures and incorporating them into their literary works.
On this topic, we are faced with a stalemate. Skeptical commentators claim that there are many parallels between the lives of Horus and Jesus; Christian commentators tend to deny the existence of most or all of them.
Some skeptics may lose objectivity because they are motivated by a desire to weaken the claims of Christianity; Christians may lose objectivity because they don't want to admit that there such parallels could exist and throw doubt on the accuracy of the Bible. We have not yet found an objective, reliable source.
Yes you are dead. Yet you claim Horus influence.

Jesus clearly stated the teachings were not his. When one studies scriptures you see they are present in Buddhist suttas. Jesus told the truth, the teachings were not his, they belonged to Buddha.

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