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#21 Feb 5, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
The Holy Bible is clear on homosexuality. Calling SIN a SIN is not hate.
Genesis 19:1-11, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Kings 14:24, 1 Kings 15:12, 2 Kings 23:7, Judges 19:16-24, Romans 1:18-32, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ,1 Timothy 1:8-10, Jude 1:7
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
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Question: "How can I know for sure that I will go to Heaven when I die?"
Answer: http://www.gotquestions.org/know-sure-Heaven....
Say do you follow all 613 laws in the OT??? Let me guess your a cherry picker
Alvin Carpenter

Hayward, CA

#22 Feb 5, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
The Holy Bible is clear on homosexuality. Calling SIN a SIN is not hate.
Genesis 19:1-11, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Kings 14:24, 1 Kings 15:12, 2 Kings 23:7, Judges 19:16-24, Romans 1:18-32, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ,1 Timothy 1:8-10, Jude 1:7
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...
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Question: "How can I know for sure that I will go to Heaven when I die?"
Answer: http://www.gotquestions.org/know-sure-Heaven....
Are you sure the Bible is clear on homosexuality? Maybe just clear to your understanding. Consider, it is not possible to determine the meaning of any verse without context. Is it possible to reconstruct the context of a single passage in the Bible with 100% certainty? Of course not. The best we can do is arrive at a highest degree of probability. The highest degree of probability is not the same things as 100% certainty. Yet, people are perfectly comfortable of damning entire categories of people based on probability. If you are going to borrow Godís authority to harm anyone for any reason you need be 100% certain.
Alvin Carpenter

Hayward, CA

#23 Feb 5, 2013
Ar you sure...are you 100% positive the God hates homosexuals and homosexuality? Consider, it is not possible to determine the meaning of any verse without context. Is it possible to reconstruct the context of a single passage in the Bible with 100% certainty? Of course not. The best we can do is arrive at a highest degree of probability. The highest degree of probability is not the same things as 100% certainty. Yet, people are perfectly comfortable of damning entire categories of people based on probability. If you are going to borrow Godís authority to harm anyone for any reason you need be 100% certain.

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#24 Feb 5, 2013
Jazybird58 wrote:
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Say do you follow all 613 laws in the OT??? Let me guess your a cherry picker
Jesus Christ fulfilled ALL of the law......I'm made righteous by His perfect sinless sacrifice. James states in James 2:10 that "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."

Anyway "Romans 1:18-32, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ,1 Timothy 1:8-10, Jude 1:7" are all from the New Testament.

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#25 Feb 5, 2013
Alvin Carpenter wrote:
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Are you sure the Bible is clear on homosexuality? Maybe just clear to your understanding. Consider, it is not possible to determine the meaning of any verse without context. Is it possible to reconstruct the context of a single passage in the Bible with 100% certainty? Of course not. The best we can do is arrive at a highest degree of probability. The highest degree of probability is not the same things as 100% certainty. Yet, people are perfectly comfortable of damning entire categories of people based on probability. If you are going to borrow Godís authority to harm anyone for any reason you need be 100% certain.
The verses from Romans 1:18-32 are easily the most crystal clear against homosexuality. Plus, sex outside of marriage is a sin.......and since marriage is only between a MAN and a WOMAN......

“Reality bites”

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#26 Feb 5, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus Christ fulfilled ALL of the law......I'm made righteous by His perfect sinless sacrifice. James states in James 2:10 that "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."
Anyway "Romans 1:18-32, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ,1 Timothy 1:8-10, Jude 1:7" are all from the New Testament.
Why then post the OT?
Genesis 19:1-11, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13,

Or does it only apply to those that YOU SEE FIT?

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#27 Feb 5, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
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The verses from Romans 1:18-32 are easily the most crystal clear against homosexuality. Plus, sex outside of marriage is a sin.......and since marriage is only between a MAN and a WOMAN......
Huh, sounds like check and mate!

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#28 Feb 5, 2013
Alvin Carpenter wrote:
Ar you sure...are you 100% positive the God hates homosexuals and homosexuality? Consider, it is not possible to determine the meaning of any verse without context. Is it possible to reconstruct the context of a single passage in the Bible with 100% certainty? Of course not. The best we can do is arrive at a highest degree of probability. The highest degree of probability is not the same things as 100% certainty. Yet, people are perfectly comfortable of damning entire categories of people based on probability. If you are going to borrow Godís authority to harm anyone for any reason you need be 100% certain.
God hates all sin. Your thread title is about homosexuality so that's why we are discussing it. Who is harming anyone? The scriptures are clear against homosexuality along with many other sins.

1 Corinthians 6:18- Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

1 Corinthians 7:2- Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

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#29 Feb 5, 2013
I don't think that hating homosexual PEOPLE is the official position of any denomination, only a few far-out cultish whacko churches like Westboro Baptist.

I am a gay teenage boy, just a week into being a Christian (not a Southern Baptist though, I don't really know what kind of a Christian I am yet, lol).

My church doesn't hate me or any other gay people. In fact, while the bible obviously condemns homosexual ACTS, it does not condemn homosexual PEOPLE who put their trust in Christ. The Apostle Paul wrote this:
...do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Don't be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolators nor adulterers, nor HOMOSEXUALS, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, swindlers, nor revilers will inherit the kingdom of God. AND SUCH WERE SOME OF YOU, but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of God (1st Corinthians 6:9-11).
So true churches are about "washing, sanctifying, and justifying" sinners - INCLUDING homosexuals - not hating, killing, and persecuting them. To do so would be self-defeating, because "such were some of you!"

I'm still gay as far as my feelings and attractions, yet washed, sanctified, justified. Just as any other sinner still has sinful feelings and temptations. Yet they are washed, sanctified, and justified in the same way as me. There was no extra step to righteousness for me to take because my sin was homosexuality instead of greed, or lust, or gluttony, or envy. The blood of Jesus is as effective in cleansing my sin by faith as it was in cleansing Moses' guilt for the sin of murder, and Paul's sin of persecuting Christians.

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#30 Feb 5, 2013
Tiny Timmie wrote:
I don't think that hating homosexual PEOPLE is the official position of any denomination, only a few far-out cultish whacko churches like Westboro Baptist.
I am a gay teenage boy, just a week into being a Christian (not a Southern Baptist though, I don't really know what kind of a Christian I am yet, lol).
My church doesn't hate me or any other gay people. In fact, while the bible obviously condemns homosexual ACTS, it does not condemn homosexual PEOPLE who put their trust in Christ. The Apostle Paul wrote this:
<quoted text>
So true churches are about "washing, sanctifying, and justifying" sinners - INCLUDING homosexuals - not hating, killing, and persecuting them. To do so would be self-defeating, because "such were some of you!"
I'm still gay as far as my feelings and attractions, yet washed, sanctified, justified. Just as any other sinner still has sinful feelings and temptations. Yet they are washed, sanctified, and justified in the same way as me. There was no extra step to righteousness for me to take because my sin was homosexuality instead of greed, or lust, or gluttony, or envy. The blood of Jesus is as effective in cleansing my sin by faith as it was in cleansing Moses' guilt for the sin of murder, and Paul's sin of persecuting Christians.
I smell a POE! Not gonna buy that garbage you're sellin!

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#31 Feb 5, 2013
Troth for Leogere wrote:
<quoted text>I smell a POE! Not gonna buy that garbage you're sellin!
I'm not familiar with that term. What's a POE? And what was garbage in what I posted?

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#32 Feb 5, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
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Jesus Christ fulfilled ALL of the law......I'm made righteous by His perfect sinless sacrifice. James states in James 2:10 that "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."
Anyway "Romans 1:18-32, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ,1 Timothy 1:8-10, Jude 1:7" are all from the New Testament.
No, He didn't. If He had, why would He have to come back? There was no overcoing the Roman Empire. There was no "peace on earth", as well as many other prophesies.

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#33 Feb 5, 2013
He didn't NULLIFY the Law, did He? He said,
I didn't come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it.
The law still applies, or else God would have no basis for finding anyone guilty of violating it.

What He did was to fulfill the Law as our Substitute, and paid the price for the guilty ones as their Substitute.

That doesn't NULLIFY the Law, it only satisfies it's demands on behalf of those of us who are powerless to rise to the level of holiness it requires.

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#34 Feb 5, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
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The verses from Romans 1:18-32 are easily the most crystal clear against homosexuality. Plus, sex outside of marriage is a sin.......and since marriage is only between a MAN and a WOMAN......
Romans talked about Pagan Temple worship. You need to read the preceeding scriptures to understand this. You also need to study the history and culture of the time in which it was written. Silly fundie!

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#35 Feb 5, 2013
tickedoffchic wrote:
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Romans talked about Pagan Temple worship. You need to read the preceeding scriptures to understand this. You also need to study the history and culture of the time in which it was written. Silly fundie!
You've been proven multiple times to know absolutely NOTHING about the Word of God. Why keep on making a fool out of yourself?
Christian

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#36 Feb 5, 2013
Troth for Leogere wrote:
<quoted text>Try the ORIGINAL bible.. you wouldnt get very far with your balogna.
What is the "original" bible?

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#37 Feb 5, 2013
tickedoffchic wrote:
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No, He didn't. If He had, why would He have to come back? There was no overcoing the Roman Empire. There was no "peace on earth", as well as many other prophesies.
The Old Testament Messianic prophesies are clear that Messiah was to be rejected. By the jews rejecting their Messiah, salvation was brought to the gentiles also thus fulfilling the scriptures.

Prophecies Fulfilled in Jesus Christ
http://www.accordingtothescriptures.org/proph...
Alvin Carpenter

Hayward, CA

#38 Feb 5, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
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God hates all sin. Your thread title is about homosexuality so that's why we are discussing it. Who is harming anyone? The scriptures are clear against homosexuality along with many other sins.
1 Corinthians 6:18- Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
1 Corinthians 7:2- Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
These passages that you quote. You know without a doubt what each word means in the Greek, how the words are being used (different writers uses the sane words differently), to whom the speaker is speaking to, why he is speaking, is he speaking universally or is he speaking to a specific problem, are there any varient readings...do you know all of this with perfect clarity? Of course not. Yet you are willing to hurt others claiming God's authority to do so. This is simple common sense.
Alvin Carpenter

Hayward, CA

#39 Feb 5, 2013
Tiny Timmie wrote:
He didn't NULLIFY the Law, did He? He said,
<quoted text>
The law still applies, or else God would have no basis for finding anyone guilty of violating it.
What He did was to fulfill the Law as our Substitute, and paid the price for the guilty ones as their Substitute.
That doesn't NULLIFY the Law, it only satisfies it's demands on behalf of those of us who are powerless to rise to the level of holiness it requires.
Ignore then Timmie, hold your head high, love God, self, and others like the rest of us.

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#40 Feb 5, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
God hates all sin. Your thread title is about homosexuality so that's why we are discussing it. Who is harming anyone? The scriptures are clear against homosexuality along with many other sins.
1 Corinthians 6:18- Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
1 Corinthians 7:2- Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
Did you ever happen to think that YOU don't have an understanding of "sin"? Did you ever happen to think that YOU don't really underatnd what the Bible says? LOL!

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