I Was About To Become a Christian But Zazenmind Changed My Mind

[John]

Because of Zazenmind's writing I have come to the conclusion that Christians are scary and bunch of lunatics.

1.They're very Arrogant people

2.When Christians do bad things they aren't really Christians, yet when Muslims,Hindus,Jewish do something bad, they are true Hindus, Muslims. Hmm, sounds a little hypocritical to me.

3.Ask any Christian who was responsible for slavery?they will tell you African

4.ask if Hitler was Christian or KKK they will tell you that they were not.

[Wayne]

Well, if you let somebody like ZZM change your mind you really wasn't looking to be a Christian.

[Wayne]

ninetailedfox wrote:

im an ex christian, Im glad you changed your mind. I grew up with that religion. I cant stand christians.

No such thing as an ex-christian. John 17. Tell the truth. It's that God didn't fit YOUR idea of how He should be. Cry me a river you little baby.

[Wayne]

ninetailedfox wrote:

<quoted text> I guess I dont exist then. But then agian you lying POS use the old not a true christian, meaning that christians dont exist. Gee would be wishful thinking. But no, here you are raping the internet with your diatribes.

lol You think you are special or something? Let's hear you sad sob story. There are many here on this "Christian" forum that will agree with you. Ya'll are nothing but pathetic crybabies.

[John]

Leviticus 6:4
...he shall restore that which he took violently away, or the thing which he hath deceitfully gotten, or that which was delivered him to keep, or the lost thing which he found,

History teaches us that the American settlers TOOK VIOLENTLY the land that was rightfully the Native Americans. The Americans TOOK VIOLENTLY and DECEITFULLY ACQUIRED over half of U.S. Territory from Mexico. The Bible which you claim to follow to the letter says you must return this land to the Native Americans and the Mexicans therefore, according to the Bible in Leviticus which I cited; you are to return the land to the Native Americans.

[Kerdy 1]

John wrote:

Because of Zazenmind's writing I have come to the conclusion that Christians are scary and bunch of lunatics.
1.They're very Arrogant people
2.When Christians do bad things they aren't really Christians, yet when Muslims,Hindus,Jewish do something bad, they are true Hindus, Muslims. Hmm, sounds a little hypocritical to me.
3.Ask any Christian who was responsible for slavery?they will tell you African
4.ask if Hitler was Christian or KKK they will tell you that they were not.

1.They're very Arrogant people.

Some are, but ZZ is an extremely arrogant person, so it confuses me how he helped you any. Arrogant people are in every walk of life, not just Christianity. Again, this confuses me.

2.When Christians do bad things they aren't really Christians, yet when Muslims,Hindus,Jewish do something bad, they are true Hindus, Muslims. Hmm, sounds a little hypocritical to me.

You havent been paying attention to what people have been saying but instead to the spin of what others have placed on someones words. No doubt some Christians believe this, but it isnt true. There are bad Christians out there too. Afterall, everyone is human and subject to human errors, mistakes and bad choices. This includes Christians as well.

3.Ask any Christian who was responsible for slavery?they will tell you African.

Africa is where slavery came from. That is a historical fact, not a religious one. The problem is mankind, not religion. History also shows that Christians are the ones responsible in this country to getting rid of slavery. Again, historical facts, not religious.

4.ask if Hitler was Christian or KKK they will tell you that they were not.

I doubt Hitler was a devout Christian, but I cannot know his soul. I feel he used religion as a means to accomplish his goals, nothing more. He also dabbled in magic and voodoo and things like that. KKK members are full of hate, not what Christianity teaches. They are a cult of hatemongers. They can claim whatever they like, but they are bad people. Now, the KKK is almost non-existant. Back in the 20's and 30's it was the cool thing to be a part of. Almost everyone was a KKK member including the politicians. It has almost nothing to do with religion, it was more about social acceptance in that era.

[Kerdy 1]

John wrote:

Leviticus 6:4
...he shall restore that which he took violently away, or the thing which he hath deceitfully gotten, or that which was delivered him to keep, or the lost thing which he found,
History teaches us that the American settlers TOOK VIOLENTLY the land that was rightfully the Native Americans. The Americans TOOK VIOLENTLY and DECEITFULLY ACQUIRED over half of U.S. Territory from Mexico. The Bible which you claim to follow to the letter says you must return this land to the Native Americans and the Mexicans therefore, according to the Bible in Leviticus which I cited; you are to return the land to the Native Americans.

Again, you are mixing politics with religion. By doing so you are saying that this is a Christian country which all of your friends, including ZZ will say is not true. The governmental policies of this country and its past has nothing to do with Christianity. We cant give anything to anyone that doesnt belong to us.

[Kerdy 1]

John wrote:

Leviticus 6:4
...he shall restore that which he took violently away, or the thing which he hath deceitfully gotten, or that which was delivered him to keep, or the lost thing which he found,
History teaches us that the American settlers TOOK VIOLENTLY the land that was rightfully the Native Americans. The Americans TOOK VIOLENTLY and DECEITFULLY ACQUIRED over half of U.S. Territory from Mexico. The Bible which you claim to follow to the letter says you must return this land to the Native Americans and the Mexicans therefore, according to the Bible in Leviticus which I cited; you are to return the land to the Native Americans.

This country and its fundamental government is extremely unfluenced by Christianity, but not controlled by it and never has been.

[Taranis]

John wrote:

Because of Zazenmind's writing I have come to the conclusion that Christians are scary and bunch of lunatics.
1.They're very Arrogant people
2.When Christians do bad things they aren't really Christians, yet when Muslims,Hindus,Jewish do something bad, they are true Hindus, Muslims. Hmm, sounds a little hypocritical to me.
3.Ask any Christian who was responsible for slavery?they will tell you African
4.ask if Hitler was Christian or KKK they will tell you that they were not.

That is probably good. Real Christianity is not for the weak willed or faint of heart, Christ was crucified for being Christian. You would most likely just become another deluded person thinking them self a Christian.

There is a much easier path to travel, but it does not go in the direction I choose to go. Happy trails.

Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

[John]

Kerdy 1 wrote:

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I doubt Hitler was a devout Christian, but I cannot know his soul. I feel he used religion as a means to accomplish his goals, nothing more. He also dabbled in magic and voodoo and things like that. KKK members are full of hate, not what Christianity teaches. They are a cult of hatemongers. They can claim whatever they like, but they are bad people. Now, the KKK is almost non-existant. Back in the 20's and 30's it was the cool thing to be a part of. Almost everyone was a KKK member including the politicians. It has almost nothing to do with religion, it was more about social acceptance in that era.

Who is true Christian?

When Christians like Jimmy Swaggart get caught with prostitutes they weren't really Christians; When Benny Hinn got caught as a fraud he's not really Christian; when Peter Popoff got caught scamming he's not really Christian; when Jim Bakker got caught with prostitutes he's not really Christian; when Juanita Bynum's televangelist husband whose name I forget, beat her, he wasn't really Christian! LOL. WOW how easy you get off the hook! As far as I recall, all these guys called them self Christians, but I guess if they do something wrong they're not really Christian. Sorry bud, but that excuse doesn't fly. When the Church committed its atrocities in the Inquisition they were Christian even if they were doing bad things.

You can't get off the hook that easy. The same can be said of Osama Bin Laden. He wasn't a true Muslim. So please stop the hypocrisy.

[John]

Kerdy 1 wrote:

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KKK members are full of hate, not what Christianity teaches. They are a cult of hatemongers. They can claim whatever they like, but they are bad people. Now, the KKK is almost non-existant. Back in the 20's and 30's it was the cool thing to be a part of. Almost everyone was a KKK member including the politicians. It has almost nothing to do with religion, it was more about social acceptance in that era.

My friend how quickly you forget history. Did not priests and minister, churches of every denomination, did not they use the verses in the Book of Leviticus to justify the slavery of blacks??!! Tell me! Did they or did they not! These racists, acting in the name of God and Christianity enslaved the Blacks here in America using those verses from Leviticus to have slaves! Tell me, I dare you to try to say that I'm wrong about this. It's documented American history, justified in the name of Jesus. So please stop with your hypocrisy!And don't give me the worn out excuse that these people weren't Christians because there is film, video evidence of these lynchings of Blacks and the whites with a Bible in their hand!

[Taranis]

John wrote:

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Who is true Christian?
When Christians like Jimmy Swaggart get caught with prostitutes they weren't really Christians; When Benny Hinn got caught as a fraud he's not really Christian; when Peter Popoff got caught scamming he's not really Christian; when Jim Bakker got caught with prostitutes he's not really Christian; when Juanita Bynum's televangelist husband whose name I forget, beat her, he wasn't really Christian! LOL. WOW how easy you get off the hook! As far as I recall, all these guys called them self Christians, but I guess if they do something wrong they're not really Christian. Sorry bud, but that excuse doesn't fly. When the Church committed its atrocities in the Inquisition they were Christian even if they were doing bad things.
You can't get off the hook that easy. The same can be said of Osama Bin Laden. He wasn't a true Muslim. So please stop the hypocrisy.

If you think that televangelist are examples of Christians you are greatly deceived. The "food not bombs" hippie kid with the anarchy tattoo is more of a Christian then any Televangelist I can think of.

Isa 58:6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?
Isa 58:7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?
Isa 58:8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy rereward.
Isa 58:9 Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;
Isa 58:10 And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday:
Isa 58:11 And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.

[1noteasilyfooled]

Kerdy 1 wrote:

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I think your one that John has watched as well.. He has made a wise choice..

John is a smart man.

[Seentheotherside]

Wayne wrote:

Well, if you let somebody like ZZM change your mind you really wasn't looking to be a Christian.

And if you let someone like Insane Wayne, Turdy 1, George the GED boy, etc., change your mind into becoming a Christian, you're friggin insane.

[Seentheotherside]

Kerdy 1 wrote:

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This country and its fundamental government is extremely unfluenced by Christianity, but not controlled by it and never has been.

"This Republican Party of Lincoln has become a party of theocracy."
U.S. Representative Christopher Shays, R-CT,(New York Times 3/23/05)

Theocracy is derived from the two Greek words Qeo/j(Theos) meaning "God" and kra/tein (cratein) meaning "to rule." The Reverend Rod Parsley, a champion of theocracy, or what he calls a "christocracy," told his congregation at the World Harvest Church, located just outside Columbus, Ohio, "Theocracy means God is in control, and you are not."

The theocratic right seeks to establish dominion, or control over society in the name of God. D. James Kennedy, Pastor of Coral Ridge Ministries, calls on his followers to exercise "godly dominion ... over every aspect ... of human society." At a "Reclaiming America for Christ" conference in February, 2005, Kennedy said:

Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost. As the vice regents of God, we are to exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors -- in short, over every aspect and institution of human society.

Twenty-five years ago dominionists targeted the Republican Party as the vehicle through which they could advance their agenda. At the same time, a small group of Republican strategists targeted fundamentalist, Pentecostal and charismatic churches to expand the base of the Republican Party. This web site is not about traditional Republicans or conservative Christians. It is about the manipulation of people of a certain faith for political power. It is about the rise of dominionists in the U.S. federal government.

Today's hard right seeks total dominion. It's packing the courts and rigging the rules. The target is not the Democrats but democracy itself.

According to acclaimed journalist and television host Bill Moyers,

True, people of faith have always tried to bring their interpretation of the Bible to bear on American laws and morals ... it's the American way, encouraged and protected by the First Amendment. But what is unique today is that the radical religious right has succeeded in taking over one of America's great political parties. The country is not yet a theocracy but the Republican Party is, and they are driving American politics, using God as a battering ram on almost every issue: crime and punishment, foreign policy, health care, taxation, energy, regulation, social services and so on.

[Kerdy 1]

John wrote:

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Who is true Christian?

Only that person and Christ can honestly know for sure. We can only guess by how they live their lives. As I stated previously, no one is perfect. So why put Christians on an impossible pedistal? If an ahtiest does any of those things, does that make them any less of an athiest?

[Kerdy 1]

John wrote:

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When Christians like Jimmy Swaggart get caught with prostitutes they weren't really Christians; When Benny Hinn got caught as a fraud he's not really Christian; when Peter Popoff got caught scamming he's not really Christian; when Jim Bakker got caught with prostitutes he's not really Christian; when Juanita Bynum's televangelist husband whose name I forget, beat her, he wasn't really Christian! LOL. WOW how easy you get off the hook! As far as I recall, all these guys called them self Christians, but I guess if they do something wrong they're not really Christian.

So what I am hearning is that you decide not to be a real Christian because of a handful of people that messed up. Do you really think that excuse will fly when you are standing before the Lord? "Sorry God. I didnt become a Christian because of someone else." Somehow, I dont think that will help you out much.

[Kerdy 1]

John wrote:

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My friend how quickly you forget history. Did not priests and minister, churches of every denomination, did not they use the verses in the Book of Leviticus to justify the slavery of blacks??!! Tell me! Did they or did they not! These racists, acting in the name of God and Christianity enslaved the Blacks here in America using those verses from Leviticus to have slaves! Tell me, I dare you to try to say that I'm wrong about this. It's documented American history, justified in the name of Jesus. So please stop with your hypocrisy!And don't give me the worn out excuse that these people weren't Christians because there is film, video evidence of these lynchings of Blacks and the whites with a Bible in their hand!

You must have missed the part where I addressed slavery.

[Kerdy 1]

1noteasilyfooled wrote:

<quoted text>I think your one that John has watched as well.. He has made a wise choice..
John is a smart man.

Its his choice to make. I would just hate for him to make the wrong choice, as he is making, from listening to people like you who are more full of hatered than I will ever be filled with.

[1noteasilyfooled]

Kerdy 1 wrote:

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Its his choice to make. I would just hate for him to make the wrong choice, as he is making, from listening to people like you who are more full of hatered than I will ever be filled with.

scuse me? LOL no hate here from me.. I just call feces what is is when I see it or hear it!