Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against ...

Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

There are 16101 comments on the news.yahoo.com story from Apr 27, 2009, titled Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?. In it, news.yahoo.com reports that:

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#2022 Jan 31, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Using that type of logic, no history book can be trusted. Even if the gospels were written decades after the fact, something I dispute, by the way, many of the eyewitnesses to a resurrected Jesus were still alive to bear testimony of what they saw.
History books aren't filled with claims of supernatural events. If they were, you can be damn sure that extraordinary evidence would be required before anybody accepted such claims as true and allowed them to be presented in textbooks (unless you live in Texas).
Jane Dodo

West New York, NJ

#2023 Jan 31, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Childless married straight couples are not the norm. Most straight married couples will have children.
The norm for the number of children per family is 2.3

Get back to us when you find that normal family.
Jane Dodo

West New York, NJ

#2024 Jan 31, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Allowing same marriage creates all kinds of problems from churches being forced against their beliefs to perform and recognize these "marriages" to teaching children that there is no difference in what marriages are. Already children are being forced to learn about homosexuality and that it is a viable option for them. If same same sex marriages are recognized then those who speak against it will be considered bigots and promoting hate speech. Just look what has happened in Canada.
STOP WITH THE LIES! No church is being forced to marry ANYBODY. Your church wedding is only a legal marriage if the pastor has a license from the State to perform marriages.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#2025 Jan 31, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
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STOP WITH THE LIES! No church is being forced to marry ANYBODY. Your church wedding is only a legal marriage if the pastor has a license from the State to perform marriages.
There are already cases where churches have been sued by gay couples for not marrying them. There was a baker who was threathened with a lawsuit if he did make a gay wedding cake. He closed shop instead. Don't think that if this passes more and more people who don't agree with homosexuality will be sued or forced to close doors. Children in grade schools are being forced to listen to the homosexual propaganda against the wishes of the parents. Time to get your head out the sand.

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#2026 Jan 31, 2013
AcelibateGayChristian wrote:
The gay community will certainly use gay marriage as a way to harass any religious denominations that refuse to support them. It is religious persecution, sanctioned by the secular left in 2009.
Religious persecution? Let's call it what it is, persecution of a minority group by bigoted homophobic religions that falsely claim to be Christian.

Laws have been wrongly passed by religions practicing block voting to subvert the democratic process and force their own agenda on the public.

Take prop h(8) in California for example.

And why not go back a little further when homophobes such as yourself took delight in burning gay people alive!

The persecution is done by yourself and those like yourself carrying the same bigoted opinions and ignoring scientific evidence and the statements of gay people themselves that show that sexual orientation is determined before birth.

Hypocrite!
Jane Dodo

West New York, NJ

#2027 Jan 31, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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There are already cases where churches have been sued by gay couples for not marrying them. There was a baker who was threathened with a lawsuit if he did make a gay wedding cake. He closed shop instead. Don't think that if this passes more and more people who don't agree with homosexuality will be sued or forced to close doors. Children in grade schools are being forced to listen to the homosexual propaganda against the wishes of the parents. Time to get your head out the sand.
LIAR! No church in the USA is required to marry anyone.
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#2028 Jan 31, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
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LIAR! No church in the USA is required to marry anyone.
Here is a start for you sweetie:
http://gothamist.com/2011/11/02/archbishop_do...
http://cc.org/blog/christians_sued_not_allowi...

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/kansas-law-w...
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#2029 Jan 31, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
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Religious persecution? Let's call it what it is, persecution of a minority group by bigoted homophobic religions that falsely claim to be Christian.
Laws have been wrongly passed by religions practicing block voting to subvert the democratic process and force their own agenda on the public.
Take prop h(8) in California for example.
And why not go back a little further when homophobes such as yourself took delight in burning gay people alive!
The persecution is done by yourself and those like yourself carrying the same bigoted opinions and ignoring scientific evidence and the statements of gay people themselves that show that sexual orientation is determined before birth.
Hypocrite!
Lowell could learn some things from you. Correction: there is no evidence that "that sexual orientation is determined before birth".

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#2030 Jan 31, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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Well, that's simply not possible, because there's no such thing as homosexuality in Iran.
http://youtu.be/U-sC26wpUGQ
In Uganda, they want to imprison all homosexuals. It's CHRISTIANS who are leading THAT charge. Is imprisoning people forever worse than shooting them?
Uganda is hardly representative of the majority of Christians around the world anymore than Westboro Baptists is in America. I speak out against such atrocities, as do most Christians who even think homosexuality is a sin.

And you can't help any fool who would claim there are no gays in Iran.
Jane Dodo

West New York, NJ

#2031 Jan 31, 2013
Jeff wrote:
Perhaps you need to read your own links, sweetie.

1. The church wasn't forced to do anything and no suits were filed.
2. Not about a church
3. Not about lawsuits.

Better luck next time, bucko. Maybe you can get your fellow church members to believe the lies, but us folk in the real world know you have nothing.... and the record backs us up. There is no lawsuit forcing any church to marry anyone.
Jane Dodo

West New York, NJ

#2032 Jan 31, 2013
Jeff wrote:
p.s. Linking to Lifesite News makes you appear gullible and uneducated.
Jane Dodo

West New York, NJ

#2033 Jan 31, 2013
Jeff wrote:
"There are already cases where churches have been sued by gay couples for not marrying them."

... and you think the links you gave back that up?

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#2034 Jan 31, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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History books aren't filled with claims of supernatural events. If they were, you can be damn sure that extraordinary evidence would be required before anybody accepted such claims as true and allowed them to be presented in textbooks (unless you live in Texas).
I don't know, the story of the Spartan 300 sounds extraordinary, and the battle of Troy. Yet it is presented in Schools. But I don't deny it requires faith to believe in the story of Christ. But when the book of Acts was written and told around the church, many of the witness spoken of were still alive for people to question them for themselves. The people who had something to do with the curcifixion, The ones who said they saw him after. There was ways to check on the stories in the beginning to the first people hearing that gospel/book.

I believe the witnesses.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#2035 Jan 31, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
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Nope. The gospels and Acts were written decades after the fact. Eye-witness accounts are notoriously unreliable. Just ask the police. 10 people can witness an accident, and each witness will tell a different story. Now ask them 30 years later. Somehow the "facts" fit whatever the writer wants the story to be..... isn't that convenient.
Not too many people would forget the fact of seeing a person who was killed, being alive. There isn't very much gray area you can find in such a statement. When the accounts of people seeing Jesus alive were first recorded, many of those witnesses were still alive. If it was an out and out lie, it would have been exposed. Yet you have no historian, both pro-Christian, or anti-Christian(and there were many) write that he didn't come back, or deny he didn't come back.
Christianity DID come out of thin air because people don't resurrect from the dead. It's a myth. It never really happened.
You're free to believe that if your want. But I say you don't know for sure anymore then I do.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#2036 Jan 31, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
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Nope. Sorry. Didn't happen. There is no corroborating evidence outside of the Buybull. And most people realize that the Buybull is just Jewish folklore.
You know, i understand your anger towards many people of faith because of the way they act. I understand the anger. But I'm not one of them. I'm here to try to reach them as much as anyone else, to help the see the truth, even though they don't want too. That being said, do you think it is wise to mock the beliefs of the people who are supporting you? Do gay people need to alienate more people then already do so? If you want to discuss religion with me, please use the proper spelling of "Bible". If you just don't care, I can go someplace else to debate.

All I'm asking for is the respect you want from me.

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#2037 Jan 31, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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Lowell could learn some things from you. Correction: there is no evidence that "that sexual orientation is determined before birth".
correction:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_caus4.h...

You deny scientific evidence to protect your hate based religion. It did not work for the Catholic Church and it's denial of the nature of the Solar System and it isn't going to work for you in defending your homophobia.

As more and more evidence is gathered to show the reality of sexual orientation being determined before birth your little hate group is going to get smaller and smaller.

But I suppose you bigots will be around for awhile. After all the Flat Earth Society still has a web site!

“Only Biblical methods will ”

Since: Apr 10

help bring others to Christ

#2038 Jan 31, 2013
Jeff wrote:
I do not usually follow links, but I followed yours because I would be incredulous that anyone would actually sue a church for not marring them. This is what I found:

Your first link states everyone knows a lawsuit against a church for refusal to marry would lose. It does say some may sue if they are fired from employ because they marry.

Your second link is about a bed and breakfast, not a church.

Your third link is about city ordinances that have not (and likely never will) passed into law yet.

Every single thing I have read, churches are legally autonomous to decide if they wish to perform same sex marriage. I would never support any legislation that forces a church to perform a wedding ceremony of any kind they feel is unbiblical,*including* second marriages after unbiblical divorce. I believe The Catholic Church has for some time refused to perform second marriages after a non-biblical divorce (unless the Church annuls the marriage). IMO, it is HIGHLY unlikely a church will ever be FORCED to marry same sex couples or second marriages after unbiblical divorce.

God bless you and yours.
Jane Dodo

West New York, NJ

#2040 Jan 31, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Not too many people would forget the fact of seeing a person who was killed, being alive. There isn't very much gray area you can find in such a statement. When the accounts of people seeing Jesus alive were first recorded, many of those witnesses were still alive. If it was an out and out lie, it would have been exposed. Yet you have no historian, both pro-Christian, or anti-Christian(and there were many) write that he didn't come back, or deny he didn't come back.
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You're free to believe that if your want. But I say you don't know for sure anymore then I do.
Then why are there no recordings other than the Buybull about Jesus coming back from the dead? The first recordings were made at least 30 years after the fact. There are no other recordings. The people that wrote the gospels were NOT eye witnesses.

Look. The story says Jesus died and came back. Everyone agrees that is the story. Not everyone agrees that it really happened.
Jane Dodo

West New York, NJ

#2041 Jan 31, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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You know, i understand your anger towards many people of faith because of the way they act. I understand the anger. But I'm not one of them. I'm here to try to reach them as much as anyone else, to help the see the truth, even though they don't want too. That being said, do you think it is wise to mock the beliefs of the people who are supporting you? Do gay people need to alienate more people then already do so? If you want to discuss religion with me, please use the proper spelling of "Bible". If you just don't care, I can go someplace else to debate.
All I'm asking for is the respect you want from me.
You are free to have whatever religious beliefs you choose. You are not free to say they are indisputable "truth" recorded by eye witnesses, because it simply isn't true. Truth can be verified. There is no legitimate verification outside of the "bible" for jesus, or moses, or abraham for that matter. NONE. Using the bible as proof that the stories in the bible are true is a logical fallacy.

I'm not discussing religion. I'm discussing VERIFIABLE evidence. Believing something on faith is fine, but DO NOT even try to claim it is the "truth" just because you chose to believe it.

Lililth_Satans_B ore

Since: May 12

Bellevue, WA

#2042 Jan 31, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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I'm beginning to think you are a homo-fascist.
First off i'm not even gay... very hetero and really am a stripper/escort with men... you know straight... but i support the ideals of freedom for ALL and equallity for ALL and freedom FROM RELIGION like this country was really founded on!!!

So I support your right to be a dumbazz christard, but not your TALIBANGELICAL oppression of others

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