Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Apr 27, 2009 Full story: news.yahoo.com 16,105

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#12825 Apr 8, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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How is mutually beneficial behavior that results in greater survival rates not a basis for moral values?
Since when is authoritarian fiat a worthwhile basis for morality?
You are mistaking selfishness for morality. The second it makes more sense to abandon pack behavior, there is no reason not to, except for an authority who establishes a moral parameter.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#12826 Apr 8, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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An infertile couple has NO possibility for procreation. Why should they be allowed to marry?
Because until recently, and still in many places, that was impossible to discern.

Since: May 09

New York, NY

#12827 Apr 8, 2013
"Morality" is the worship of God. We need new words because all this old cultural detritus has got to go.

Since: Dec 09

Chicago, IL

#12828 Apr 8, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Honey, you are either blonde, or an ignorant, hateful bigot.
'Cross cultural' means that it supersedes any one culture or religion. Every single culture in history, before Judeo/Christian ethics and apart from it has practiced marriage from start to finish.
On the other hand, not one single culture has ever practiced calling ss couples married from start to finish of that culture. In EIGHT THOUSAND YEARS of human history.
Oh, I am a redeemed cynic who remains barbarian. I sink the knife of reality to the hilt into the belly of denial and twist it with a smirk.
Smirk.
KiMare: "'Cross cultural' means that it supersedes any one culture or religion."

I know.

KiMare: "Every single culture in history, before Judeo/Christian ethics and apart from it has practiced marriage from start to finish."

That's a streeeetch. The terms "marriage" and "culture" are so ambiguous, it's not worth the time and aggravation to prove your claim untrue.
You mistook me to be saying marriage originated with Moses; I wasn't. But obviously, when Moses brought forth the marriage Commandment, the people of THAT culture hadn't been practicing marriage "from the start" of it.
And I was discussing the PURPOSE of marriage, not it's origins.
What, are you blond?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#12830 Apr 9, 2013
GreaterGreece wrote:
"Morality" is the worship of God. We need new words because all this old cultural detritus has got to go.
You are an idiot.

Go back to your video games and porn sonny.

Oh, and leave the little boys alone.

Hugs and kisses.
hezzez

Pittsburgh, PA

#12831 Apr 9, 2013
youtube.com/watch... …………… Excuses Are Reason
Thinking

Bolton, UK

#12832 Apr 9, 2013
Exactly.
Morality doesn't always mean good.
Morality is hanging women in Saudi.
Maybe we could espouse ethics instead?
GreaterGreece wrote:
"Morality" is the worship of God. We need new words because all this old cultural detritus has got to go.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#12833 Apr 9, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Honey, you are either blonde, or an ignorant, hateful bigot.
'Cross cultural' means that it supersedes any one culture or religion. Every single culture in history, before Judeo/Christian ethics and apart from it has practiced marriage from start to finish.
On the other hand, not one single culture has ever practiced calling ss couples married from start to finish of that culture. In EIGHT THOUSAND YEARS of human history.
Oh, I am a redeemed cynic who remains barbarian. I sink the knife of reality to the hilt into the belly of denial and twist it with a smirk.
Smirk.
janeebee wrote:
<quoted text>
KiMare: "'Cross cultural' means that it supersedes any one culture or religion."
I know.
KiMare: "Every single culture in history, before Judeo/Christian ethics and apart from it has practiced marriage from start to finish."
That's a streeeetch. The terms "marriage" and "culture" are so ambiguous, it's not worth the time and aggravation to prove your claim untrue.
You mistook me to be saying marriage originated with Moses; I wasn't. But obviously, when Moses brought forth the marriage Commandment, the people of THAT culture hadn't been practicing marriage "from the start" of it.
And I was discussing the PURPOSE of marriage, not it's origins.
What, are you blond?
You made a Freudian bigot statement and got caught. Now you are trying to cover your stupidity and only making it worse.

Honey, I've traveled around the world. I lived in the Pacific Basin for 25 years. I love studying history. I've never had trouble distinguishing marriage or culture. You won't defend your assertion because you can't.

Moses didn't give a 'marriage Commandment', he gave a divorce commandment.

If you are talking about the Jews, they originated with Abraham marrying Sarah. If you are talking about the Egyptians, you ignore the fact that Moses was educated by the Egyptians who practiced marrying siblings to their harm.

Moveover, you lie. You never discussed purpose, you only made ignorant and bigoted statements about the origins of marriage.

The basic essence of marriage is indisputable; a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.

You are blonde, aren't you.

Smirk.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#12834 Apr 9, 2013
Stinking thinking wrote:
Exactly.
Morality doesn't always mean good.
Morality is hanging women in Saudi.
Maybe we could espouse ethics instead?
<quoted text>
You are an idiot. What is the difference?

Ethics, also known as moral philosophy, is a branch of philosophy that involves systematizing, defending, and recommending concepts of right and wrong conduct.[1] The term comes from the Greek word ethos, which means "character". Ethics is a complement to Aesthetics in the philosophy field of Axiology. In philosophy, ethics studies the moral behavior in humans, and how one should act. Ethics may be divided into four major areas of study:[1]

Meta-ethics, about the theoretical meaning and reference of moral propositions and how their truth values (if any) may be determined;
Normative ethics, about the practical means of determining a moral course of action;
Applied ethics, about how moral outcomes can be achieved in specific situations;
Descriptive ethics, also known as comparative ethics, is the study of people's beliefs about morality;

Snicker.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#12835 Apr 9, 2013
Our rationalizing is our dishonesty with ourselves.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#12836 Apr 9, 2013
Our first challenge is to correct this, for if we do not do this we will correct no other kind of dishonesty.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#12837 Apr 9, 2013
Honesty with self will lead to honesty with others, for all men know that the conscious misleading of others has in its nature dishonesty with one's self.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#12838 Apr 9, 2013
Excusing sinful conduct because we think no one sees it.

David was able to morally tolerate his sin because he was able to hide it from others.

But he was not hiding it from God.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#12839 Apr 9, 2013
And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#12840 Apr 9, 2013
Since the God of the Bible is perfect, it is to be expected that all that proceeds from Him is initially good.

Accordingly, that which He created was good, and all that He does, commands, and approves is likewise good.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#12841 Apr 9, 2013
Moral sensitivity (the awareness that right and wrong do exist) has been implanted in the soul of man by virtue of His creation in the image of the God who is eternally good.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#12842 Apr 9, 2013
With every new generation that is raised comes the responsibility to pass along to them the right morals.
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#12843 Apr 9, 2013
Who sets the RULES by which you live???

Jeremiah 10:23

23 Lord, I know that people’s lives are not their own;
it is not for them to direct their steps.

Proverbs 14:12

12 There is a way that appears to be right,
but in the end it leads to death.
LowellGuy

Lowell, MA

#12844 Apr 9, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Because until recently, and still in many places, that was impossible to discern.
And we can discern that here and now. Why should infertile couples be allowed to marry?
LowellGuy

Lowell, MA

#12845 Apr 9, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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You are an idiot. What is the difference?
Ethics, also known as moral philosophy, is a branch of philosophy that involves systematizing, defending, and recommending concepts of right and wrong conduct.[1] The term comes from the Greek word ethos, which means "character". Ethics is a complement to Aesthetics in the philosophy field of Axiology. In philosophy, ethics studies the moral behavior in humans, and how one should act. Ethics may be divided into four major areas of study:[1]
Meta-ethics, about the theoretical meaning and reference of moral propositions and how their truth values (if any) may be determined;
Normative ethics, about the practical means of determining a moral course of action;
Applied ethics, about how moral outcomes can be achieved in specific situations;
Descriptive ethics, also known as comparative ethics, is the study of people's beliefs about morality;
Snicker.
Morality says it's ok to sell a rape victim to her attacker.
Morality says it's ok to stone someone to death for gathering firewood on the Sabbath.
Morality says it's ok to dash children's heads upon rocks.
Morality says it's ok to punish kids for verbally abusing an old bald man by having them eaten by bears.

Ethics disagrees with all of that.

That is the difference.

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