Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Apr 27, 2009 Full story: news.yahoo.com 16,103

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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Earth

#771 Jan 24, 2013
Troth for Leogere wrote:
<quoted text>Ill make it short for you!
you are a mormonmoron.. you are a bigot, you are a liar, you are definitely a distasteful waist of an embryo. you are a cult worshiper, did I say lair?.. that should be short enough for now.
Boring, boring, boring. Anything other intelligent things to say there Troth?...lol.

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Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#772 Jan 24, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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So the fact that tens of thousands of gay men have serious health problems directly related to homosexual sex is no big deal?
You need to get your head out of the sand and see how destructive this kind of thing is. Then start warning other gay about it. That would be the responsible thing to do. Will you do it?
I never said it was "no big deal."

However I am correcting you - actually you corrected yourself - in that you can no longer state that "most" gay men have or will get HIV/AIDS.

The fact is not just "most" but the vast majority of gay men will never get HIV/AIDS.

The fact is HIV/AIDS is easily preventable.

The fact is gay marriage reduces the incidence of HIV/AIDS as well as all other STD's.

The fact is you don't care about gay men dying of AIDS, it's just an excuse used to justify your prejudice.

The fact is you've never answered the question how you would have justified that prejudice before 1980 when there was no AIDS epidemic?

The fact is you go round and round and round, conveniently jumping from one line to the next - first you're so concerned about HIV, but when your inaccurate claims about that are refuted, you jump over to some kind of "general health problems" nonsense. When those are refuted, you jump back to HIV.

Get your story straight. This all wrecks your credibility.

HIV/AIDS is an issue. If you really want to help, you can encourage gay marriage, educate people about protecting themselves from HIV/AIDS, donate to the myriad of AIDS charities so someone else can educate people about protecting themselves, or just shut the f**k up and mind your own business because you're full of sh!t and we all know you don't care about AIDS.

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Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#773 Jan 24, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Boring, boring, boring. Anything other intelligent things to say there Troth?...lol.
Nope.. thanks for agreeing that you are a mormonmoron.. you are a bigot, you are a liar, you are definitely a distasteful waist of an embryo. you are a cult worshiper, did I say lair?.. that should be short enough for now. And it was intelligent info!

I can add more descriptors for you.. well moron.. oops mormon? got your magic panties on?

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#774 Jan 24, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
You implied at post 731 that you and your partner engage in anal sex.
BTW- I have known about 4-5 gay men in my life that have all died at a young age. One is very sick right now and has had to quit work because he does not have enough energy.
I didn't imply that at all. I said that we *could* have anal sex all day every day for the rest of our lives and we would never get HIV - thus disputing your claim that "gay sex causes HIV."

You have to be having unprotected sex with someone who is infected (heterosexual or homosexual) or you will never get it. Or you have to share needles with them. Or you have to get a blood transfusion or a sloppy dentist.

Heterosexual sex with an infected person is just as dangerous.

I am tired of your BS. You are desperately trying to use AIDS as an excuse to justify your prejudice against gay marriage and/or kids in school learning that gay people are just as OK as everyone else.

AIDS is not a political pawn to be used for your BS purposes. It's serious.

You are a seriously effed up person.

Learn beyond your own personal experiences. I know a lot more gay people than you.

I know gay men who have HIV in their 50's who have had it since they were in their 20's. You don't die so young anymore if you take care of yourself.

Stop the drama.

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#778 Jan 24, 2013
Troth for Leogere wrote:
<quoted text>Nope.. thanks for agreeing that you are a mormonmoron.. you are a bigot, you are a liar, you are definitely a distasteful waist of an embryo. you are a cult worshiper, did I say lair?.. that should be short enough for now. And it was intelligent info!
I can add more descriptors for you.. well moron.. oops mormon? got your magic panties on?
lol...whatever bakes your cookie.:)

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Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#779 Jan 24, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
lol...whatever bakes your cookie.:)
and whatever tickles your prostrate 'teddy' bear! Does your boyfriend know you're here?

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#781 Jan 24, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
So the fact that tens of thousands of gay men have serious health problems directly related to homosexual sex is no big deal?
You need to get your head out of the sand and see how destructive this kind of thing is. Then start warning other gay about it. That would be the responsible thing to do. Will you do it?
And no, my head is not in the sand. "This kind of thing" is not destructive unless you are careless or ignorant. I do enough for AIDS. I don't have to "warn gay people," stupid. They all know about it. I participated in a study where I was injected with a trial vaccine for months. I know more about it and gay people than you ever will.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#782 Jan 24, 2013
NoMo wrote:
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It's deep s-e-a-t-e-d...freakfest
Thank you!!

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Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#783 Jan 24, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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You're such a liar!...lolol....just to funny! You did write to me on Topix through the means of "posts", which on the internet are considered "direct forms of "communication".
You communicated directly to me more than a dozen times and you wish to lie and say you have had no direct communication with me? Yeeahhh okay ;)P
Believe it or not, not everything is about you, stupid. We were talking about another poster who consistently uses the word fa$$ot.

You are a disaster who can't keep up with anything. I stopped bothering with you pages ago. Waste of time. You're too far gone. You're gay and can't handle it, I have no time for such nonsense. A kid in NJ can get up in front of his whole high school and tell them he's gay, and you still can't. There's no excuse for that anymore in this day and age.

Now piss off. You were wrong about everything, your spelling, your phrases, your "tic for tac" which is not even a phrase, and all your messed up bullsh!t about bisexuality and churches.

Since: Oct 08

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#784 Jan 24, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>Here's what Alex said. Alex his boyfriend? Know him to? He blogs. He has written of Jack's death on the web. Know what he's never said? He never said it was the parents fault. Never claimed people at the ward he went to were at fault. Never said his parents, family or ward members were at fault for Jack's death.
Know what Alex has repeatedly stated over and over in many ways, just as he stated it the day Jack took his life? He states from the web...
Jack's boyfriend said that Jack suffered from severe and physical bullying from classmates for being gay."I want to be that voice that says, you know, it's OK to be gay," said Smith. Jack was constantly shoved in halls and was constantly hearing anti-gay slurs.
So you can take your self righteous Mormon hating foul dark filthy verbal garbage and spin it to someone else.
U don't know, have even a hope of ever knowing what happened and I'm not discussing this anymore with u, u pos. it degrades his death, for u to even type his name.

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Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#785 Jan 24, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh! Oh!(hand waving wildly like in class lol) I got this one teach!
So if someone talks about "gay men" they're also speaking of you and your husband. But if you speak of the Mormon church, you claim you're not speaking about the members of that church. I can go back and paste your exact words if you want teach :)
I know you are desperate for attention and would love for me to re-engage. It's not going to happen. Get a life. And see a shrink.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#786 Jan 24, 2013
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>
U know what, aszhole? I know that kid, I know exactly what happened and u need to seriously shut the hell up. The kid was bullied, sent to nowhere Utah and put thru evergreen. His cult member parents, the kids(Mormon)at that school who beat him, tormented him 24/7 and that torture center u are so high on caused that poor boy to give up and die. So Fcuk u. U as usual don't have a clue
On the other side of the coin, this once I'll go there and rip you up with your own words okay?
First I'll apologize for calling you a liar that you don't know Jack. I'll apologize on the basis of believing you actually know Jack as you said you know him.
Now that the niceties are done let's get to your statements.
You claimed you knew Jack. You claimed you knew his parents put him through Evergreen. Being it true as you claim to knowing Jack, than that would mean as his boyfriend knew it and stated it, you knew at his two schools he was being verbally and physically bullied and beaten by classmates.
So I have a statement and a question both. How's it feel to be partially responsible for the death of a gay Mormon teen that you knew and did nothing for to help him? Why didn't you have cops at his parents door for beating him. You did state his parents and classmates physically beat him... "His cult member parents, the kids(Mormon)at that school who beat him,". Why weren't you at his schools and the school district office demanding them to do something about all the verbal abuse and physical beatings Jack was taking that you knew was happening as you claim? Why didn't you tell that kid to come and live at your house to get away from all that physical and psychological trauma? You said you knew that kid. You claimed to know him in such a way to know his personal life.
AND you apparently sat and did nothing?????????? And you tell me to shut up? When my info of the kid comes from statements of the boyfriend that knew him best? YOU DID NOTHING TO HELP HIM. and you want to talk about him like you knew him?
This has got to of been your lowest point you have yet established. Nice job as usual.

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#787 Jan 24, 2013
Tony C wrote:
<quoted text>
Believe it or not, not everything is about you, stupid. We were talking about another poster who consistently uses the word fa$$ot.
You are a disaster who can't keep up with anything. I stopped bothering with you pages ago. Waste of time. You're too far gone. You're gay and can't handle it, I have no time for such nonsense. A kid in NJ can get up in front of his whole high school and tell them he's gay, and you still can't. There's no excuse for that anymore in this day and age.
Now piss off. You were wrong about everything, your spelling, your phrases, your "tic for tac" which is not even a phrase, and all your messed up bullsh!t about bisexuality and churches.
I can admit my bad :)(Better correct me about that incorrect phrase "my bad" :) And for using smiley faces in place of a period. And for beginning a sentence with "and". And for using " in place of '.
I told you I spelled deep seated wrong on purpose. I said it was incorrect. You're the one that took it to the hills in back claiming what wasn't true. So all that 'crap' is on your doing, not mine :)

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Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#788 Jan 24, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
AND you apparently sat and did nothing??????????
This has got to of been your lowest point you have yet established. Nice job as usual.
Lets turn the table cultworshiper..AND you apparently sat and did nothing but condone it??????????
This has got to of been your lowest point you have yet established. Nice job as usual.
disgusting.

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Location hidden

#789 Jan 24, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>On the other side of the coin, this once I'll go there and rip you up with your own words okay?
First I'll apologize for calling you a liar that you don't know Jack. I'll apologize on the basis of believing you actually know Jack as you said you know him.
Now that the niceties are done let's get to your statements.
You claimed you knew Jack. You claimed you knew his parents put him through Evergreen. Being it true as you claim to knowing Jack, than that would mean as his boyfriend knew it and stated it, you knew at his two schools he was being verbally and physically bullied and beaten by classmates.
So I have a statement and a question both. How's it feel to be partially responsible for the death of a gay Mormon teen that you knew and did nothing for to help him? Why didn't you have cops at his parents door for beating him. You did state his parents and classmates physically beat him... "His cult member parents, the kids(Mormon)at that school who beat him,". Why weren't you at his schools and the school district office demanding them to do something about all the verbal abuse and physical beatings Jack was taking that you knew was happening as you claim? Why didn't you tell that kid to come and live at your house to get away from all that physical and psychological trauma? You said you knew that kid. You claimed to know him in such a way to know his personal life.
AND you apparently sat and did nothing?????????? And you tell me to shut up? When my info of the kid comes from statements of the boyfriend that knew him best? YOU DID NOTHING TO HELP HIM. and you want to talk about him like you knew him?
This has got to of been your lowest point you have yet established. Nice job as usual.
Fu freakfest.

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#790 Jan 24, 2013
Tony C wrote:
<quoted text>
I know you are desperate for attention and would love for me to re-engage. It's not going to happen. Get a life. And see a shrink.
I need not draw any attention to me on purpose. The whackos have always been drawn to me all my life like you :)
Your problem? You often pretend to know more than you actually know about something your stating. And you have a major weakness for not admitting your errors.
Me? I just have a knack for getting under people's skin with bits of truths about themselves :

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#791 Jan 24, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>On the other side of the coin, this once I'll go there and rip you up with your own words okay?
First I'll apologize for calling you a liar that you don't know Jack. I'll apologize on the basis of believing you actually know Jack as you said you know him.
Now that the niceties are done let's get to your statements.
You claimed you knew Jack. You claimed you knew his parents put him through Evergreen. Being it true as you claim to knowing Jack, than that would mean as his boyfriend knew it and stated it, you knew at his two schools he was being verbally and physically bullied and beaten by classmates.
So I have a statement and a question both. How's it feel to be partially responsible for the death of a gay Mormon teen that you knew and did nothing for to help him? Why didn't you have cops at his parents door for beating him. You did state his parents and classmates physically beat him... "His cult member parents, the kids(Mormon)at that school who beat him,". Why weren't you at his schools and the school district office demanding them to do something about all the verbal abuse and physical beatings Jack was taking that you knew was happening as you claim? Why didn't you tell that kid to come and live at your house to get away from all that physical and psychological trauma? You said you knew that kid. You claimed to know him in such a way to know his personal life.
AND you apparently sat and did nothing?????????? And you tell me to shut up? When my info of the kid comes from statements of the boyfriend that knew him best? YOU DID NOTHING TO HELP HIM. and you want to talk about him like you knew him?
This has got to of been your lowest point you have yet established. Nice job as usual.
Do u really think your wife enjoys celibacy as much as u do?

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Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#793 Jan 24, 2013
RubyTheDyke wrote:
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I would also, in the "unhealthy lifestyle" catagory, wonder if this person you're responding to has the same moral outrage against parents whose diets consists of high trans-fat, sugar and other fast carbohydrates and are sedentary-a deadly combination-and who pass this unhealthy lifestyle to their children, or if he is dishonest enough to pick one group of people and one set of statistical risks and set that up as some sort of caliber of justification of the denial of basic rights and priveleges. The hallmark of people such as this is their gross inconsistencies when confronted with equivalencies. We also know bottom line is, always, "the Bible tells me so" to which I respond "Ain't my religion, and it ain't your business". IF you don't like me don't invite me to dinner, but don't think you have the right to dictate the content of souls around my dinner table.
Completely agree Ruby.

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#794 Jan 24, 2013
RubyTheDyke wrote:
<quoted text>
Babydoll, you do realize there is a statistical risk for harm in just about every activity we engage in, don't you?
He does, he just clutches his pearls on the ones he finds icky.

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Since: Oct 08

Earth

#795 Jan 24, 2013
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>
Fu freakfest.
Yeah, the common sentiment from a kind, caring loving person.
Now back to you :)
You said you knew him. You made declarative statements of knowing his personal life. You made statements for why you claim he killed himself like you knew him personally. That's either true or a lie, which is it?
I stated what his 'boyfriend' stated for why he thought he took his life. I didn't know him. But Alex did. Alex was trying to help him stay alive through all the crap he was suffering at school. Alex never stated he was being verbally and physically abused because he was gay at home. Alex who would have known of Evergreen and how traumatized people can leave there being, Alex said nothing of Evergreen.
Seem's You and Alex have differing view points for why Jack took his life.
Seem's I should consider what the boyfriend is stating and not what you are blaming as you hate Mormons with a vengeance. And than you do nothing to help the kid you claim you know was being verbally and physically abused by family and classmates as you claim?
Yeeahhhh, I think your full of *hit. Prove other wise.

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