Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Apr 27, 2009 Full story: news.yahoo.com 16,104

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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“Maiden of Mayhem”

Since: May 08

OMFUG

#3249 Feb 4, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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The reason these things have not happened yet is because most people know what a marriage is only: ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN.
Change the definition and you can have group marriages, brothers and sisters marrying and any other kind of configuration. Polygamists know that they will seek to legalize their "marriages" on the same grounds you want to.
Once same sex "marriage" is legal we should expect the above.
Why should expect the above? It hasn't happened in countries where same-sex marriage has been legal for over a decade. So now all of sudden it will?
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#3250 Feb 4, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, but if polygamist want to have the legal right to marry they can do so at any time......and if the truth be known.......multiple women were allowed in biblical times!!!
Again, NONE of these supposed other groups NEED to wait until Marriage Equality happens for Same-Sex Couples.......they can fight for their right now......and the whole brother wanting to marry sister or mother or other family member is just a red herring!!!
This thing is evolving. It may take years but you should expect to see "Marriage Equality" for the groups I mentioned.

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#3251 Feb 4, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
This thing is evolving. It may take years but you should expect to see "Marriage Equality" for the groups I mentioned.
Like you've been told......hasn't happened and probably won't.......my guess is that possibly polygamist might get their wish one day......but I doubt the others will that you claim and even if they do......how will that truly affect your marriage or mine?

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#3252 Feb 4, 2013
John from Texas wrote:
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Yes, a noble attempt to find meaning and security in a confusing world. A long time ago!!!!!! The world was flat back then and the sun actually rose and set.
They obviously were influenced by the Greeks and Egyptians but were rather backward by comparison. It seems they were trying to establish a national identity claiming to be God's chosen people which appears to be a rather dubious given the circumstances.

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#3253 Feb 4, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Well sugar
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You're just out of sync with GOD
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most fundies are; po'thangs
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Perhaps you're just not Christian enough to comprehend the Authorized King James Bible; and for good reason:
http://etb-history-theology.blogspot.com/2012...
King James wasn't a homosexual!!!!!! That lie has been debunked many many times before.......
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Quote from link:

Here is some excellent information from a book by Stephen Coston, "King James Unjustly Accused?" This is the best stuff I've ever read defending the character of King James.

It turns out that the younger man (George Villiers) that James is accused of having a homosexual relationship with, was taken as a "son" by James, after his father died at an early age. Not only that, but James' oldest son died young, and Villiers filled the void. Not only that, but James' own father died in his infancy (James ascended to the throne of Scotland at only One year of age) and he knew the hardships of growing up without a father. The terms of endearment toward Villiers were as from a father to a son. The terms were common speech of the day, and Coston gives countless examples of that. He also gave many quotes of thankfulness to James from Villiers' mother for helping raise him, and from Villiers' wife for remaining a close friend. They would've not been likely to commend a queer. Three generations of the Villiers family lived in the palace with the ruling Stuart family. The families remained close long after James was dead and gone.

King James condemned homosexuality numerous times, he advised his own son to "Guard against corrupt leide ... and last of all, mignard and EFFEMINATE ones."

He also penned the advice, "But especially eschew to be EFFEMINATE in your clothes, in perfuming, preining, or such like, and make not a FOOL of yourself in disguising or wearing LONG your hair or nails, which are but EXCRETEMENTS of nature."

I've never heard a homosexual castigate homosexuality like that!

James had many enemies. The Catholics hated him passionately. Many Brits disliked him because he was the first King of England of Scottish descent. The United Kingdom was first united under James' reign. He was the first to call the kingdom "Great Britain". His enemies are the ones who made the accusations. Enemies of God's word perpetuate the attacks. Nobody then thought James was a homo, the first accusations were not leveled until 25 years after he was dead.

James also was a saved man with a desire to spread the Gospel. Due to having the aforementioned enemies, there were many attempts to assault and assassinate James. He told one attacker, "Are you after my life? You can get it, but you will not get my soul". King James authorized the first charters establishing settlements that would become States in America, as well as the Mayflower Compact. All of these had evangelism of the heathen as their primary purpose. James also wrote against the masculinization of women in their apparel, and against the dangers of smoking.

He may have had faults like anyone, he may have made mistakes as King, but in general, we don't have to apologize for King James' character.

http://www.baptistlink.com/godandcountry/kjv/...

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#3254 Feb 4, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
The reason these things have not happened yet is because most people know what a marriage is only: ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN.
Change the definition and you can have group marriages, brothers and sisters marrying and any other kind of configuration. Polygamists know that they will seek to legalize their "marriages" on the same grounds you want to.
Once same sex "marriage" is legal we should expect the above.
Amen Jeff!!!!

The Word of God is crystal clear, marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN!

Not a man and man
Not a woman and woman

Marriage is defined by the Word of God!

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#3255 Feb 4, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Tony
A Christian would not be using the language you are in here. You are proving our point more and more on a daily basis you do not know Christ as you claim. A Christian does not talk like the world or even act like it. You are the joke cause you come from a dysfunctional family and your dad failed you and now you become a homosexual to fulfill the love you never got from a good nurturing father.
<quoted text>
A true Christian would not spend all of their time judging others in defiance of scripture while ignoring the two most important commandments in both the Hebrew and the Greek scriptures that are all about the all encompassing LOVE that is GOD:

1 John 4:8 (King James Version)

"8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love."

The admonishment not to judge follows a close second. But it is somewhat redundant in that you can not be a LOVING person towards your neighbor when you try to take GOD'S place in judgment, a task you as a limited mortal can not possibly do.

And rejecting scientific evidence you find disturbing because it does not fit your interpretation of the scriptures you use to support your hate of your neighbor is totally insane!

Here again is the latest scientific understanding of sexual orientation and how it occurs before birth as gay people have been insisting for centuries:

http://evolequals.com/2012/09/04/sexual-orien...

I chose this article out of a number of articles that came up with the search phrase "sexual orientation determined in the womb"

There were actually 355,000 results for the search.

It is not that hard to research the cutting edge in scientific research into this subject that affects all of humanity as a family.

It is estimated that over 10 % of the population is gay. This occurs across the whole mammal family and even the Avian family.

To deny this reality to protect a religion is just as insane as it was to demonize left handed people as was done in times past out of ignorance.

And only a total idiot in denial would consider a gay penguin couple doomed to hell for raising an egg rejected by a female:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/0...

I personally am moved by this couple who stayed together for 6 years before being given an egg to raise as their own!

Only a religious bigot who chooses their limited understanding of one book over reality can dismiss this example of profound LOVE and call it twisted!

GOD is in reality people! Not in books written by men!
Jane Dodo

Hoboken, NJ

#3256 Feb 4, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
King James wasn't a homosexual!!!!!! That lie has been debunked many many times before.......
No it hasn't. His love letters to men still exist today, so stop with the bullshit LIES.
Jane Dodo

Hoboken, NJ

#3257 Feb 4, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
Amen Jeff!!!!
The Word of God is crystal clear, marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN!
Not a man and man
Not a woman and woman
Marriage is defined by the Word of God!
Fortunately, here in the good ol' USA, marriage is defined by law.... and your god is NOWHERE to be found in the law.

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#3258 Feb 4, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
<quoted text>
A true Christian would not spend all of their time judging others in defiance of scripture while ignoring the two most important commandments in both the Hebrew and the Greek scriptures that are all about the all encompassing LOVE that is GOD:
1 John 4:8 (King James Version)
"8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love."
The admonishment not to judge follows a close second. But it is somewhat redundant in that you can not be a LOVING person towards your neighbor when you try to take GOD'S place in judgment, a task you as a limited mortal can not possibly do.
And rejecting scientific evidence you find disturbing because it does not fit your interpretation of the scriptures you use to support your hate of your neighbor is totally insane!
Here again is the latest scientific understanding of sexual orientation and how it occurs before birth as gay people have been insisting for centuries:
http://evolequals.com/2012/09/04/sexual-orien...
I chose this article out of a number of articles that came up with the search phrase "sexual orientation determined in the womb"
There were actually 355,000 results for the search.
It is not that hard to research the cutting edge in scientific research into this subject that affects all of humanity as a family.
It is estimated that over 10 % of the population is gay. This occurs across the whole mammal family and even the Avian family.
To deny this reality to protect a religion is just as insane as it was to demonize left handed people as was done in times past out of ignorance.
And only a total idiot in denial would consider a gay penguin couple doomed to hell for raising an egg rejected by a female:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/0...
I personally am moved by this couple who stayed together for 6 years before being given an egg to raise as their own!
Only a religious bigot who chooses their limited understanding of one book over reality can dismiss this example of profound LOVE and call it twisted!
GOD is in reality people! Not in books written by men!
Great post. Love your closing line.
straight shooter

Montpelier, VT

#3259 Feb 4, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
<quoted text>Fortunately, here in the good ol' USA, marriage is defined by law.... and your god is NOWHERE to be found in the law.
where is "gay marriage" in the law of your state?

right next to god, right?

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#3261 Feb 4, 2013
Jane Dodo wrote:
<quoted text>Fortunately, here in the good ol' USA, marriage is defined by law.... and your god is NOWHERE to be found in the law.
Your god, Satan, has already been condemned to eternal Hell and Damnation. He's not there yet though.....he is roaming to and fro deceiving as many fools as possible. He wants to drag as many people that he can along with him to eternal Hell.

You people need to repent and come to Jesus for the forgiveness of your sins!!!!!!!!

John 3:36- He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Since: Aug 11

Santa Cruz, CA

#3263 Feb 4, 2013
More phony Christian lies and condemnations.

What a bunch of worthless morons.

“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#3264 Feb 4, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
<quoted text>
A true Christian would not spend all of their time judging others in defiance of scripture while ignoring the two most important commandments in both the Hebrew and the Greek scriptures that are all about the all encompassing LOVE that is GOD:
1 John 4:8 (King James Version)
"8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love."
The admonishment not to judge follows a close second. But it is somewhat redundant in that you can not be a LOVING person towards your neighbor when you try to take GOD'S place in judgment, a task you as a limited mortal can not possibly do.
And rejecting scientific evidence you find disturbing because it does not fit your interpretation of the scriptures you use to support your hate of your neighbor is totally insane!
Here again is the latest scientific understanding of sexual orientation and how it occurs before birth as gay people have been insisting for centuries:
http://evolequals.com/2012/09/04/sexual-orien...
I chose this article out of a number of articles that came up with the search phrase "sexual orientation determined in the womb"
There were actually 355,000 results for the search.
It is not that hard to research the cutting edge in scientific research into this subject that affects all of humanity as a family.
It is estimated that over 10 % of the population is gay. This occurs across the whole mammal family and even the Avian family.
To deny this reality to protect a religion is just as insane as it was to demonize left handed people as was done in times past out of ignorance.
And only a total idiot in denial would consider a gay penguin couple doomed to hell for raising an egg rejected by a female:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/0...
I personally am moved by this couple who stayed together for 6 years before being given an egg to raise as their own!
Only a religious bigot who chooses their limited understanding of one book over reality can dismiss this example of profound LOVE and call it twisted!
GOD is in reality people! Not in books written by men!
ABSOLUTELY the best post on this specific topic by FAR!
The fundies will do their blabbering as they always do because of a lack of couth, intelligence, compassion (as in Christ)and downright ignorance and selfishness..

Carry on!

“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#3265 Feb 4, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Grandpasmurf
You have no clue what a true Christian is. You are not a Christian you support perverted marriage (same sex marriage). I do not care if 50 percent of the population was gay that still does not change what God says concerning the abomination of homosexuality. In fact if only 10 percent is gay then that proves you are not born gay because there would be a higher percentage. Being gay is caused by sexual abuse and emotional abuse on the part of the same gender of the gay person. I will stick to God and his word and he says homosexuality is wrong.
<quoted text>
Penny, shut your yap! You are nothing but a liar.. a FAT ugly one like your mother and your brother..

BTW, I throw dart at your momma pic daily.. gawd is it ugly!

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#3266 Feb 4, 2013
WasteWater wrote:
More phony Christian lies and condemnations.
What a bunch of worthless morons.
A REAL Christian isn't going to hold your hand, sing Kumbaya with you, and tell you that sinful lifestyles are okay.

SIN has consequences......perverted sexual lifestyles lead to diseases:

Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS/HIV)
Chancroid (Chancroid)
Chlamydia (Chlamydia)
Gonococcal Infection (Gonorrhea)
Granuloma inguinale (Granuloma inguinale)
Hepatitis , B (Hep B)
Herpes (Herpes)
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV)
Human Papillomarivus (Genital Warts (HPV)
Lymphogranuloma venereum infection (LVG)
Pelvic Inflammatory Disease (PID)
Pthiriasis (Crabs; Public Lice Infestation)
Syphilis , primary, secondary, early latent (Syphilis)
Syphilis , Late latent, or congenital (Syphilis)
Vaginosis , bacterial (Yeast Infection)

“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#3268 Feb 4, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Troth for Leogere
Only liar here is you. Now prove I am Penny or shut your mouth.
You are a disgusting human being like your daughter. You failed your daughter and that is why she is gay. To bad you do not know how to be a human being and raise your child right so she did not turn gay.
<quoted text>
Im throwin darts at nancy c.***G

what a bovine!

“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#3269 Feb 4, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Troth for Leogere
Only liar here is you. Now prove I am Penny or shut your mouth.
You are a disgusting human being like your daughter. You failed your daughter and that is why she is gay. To bad you do not know how to be a human being and raise your child right so she did not turn gay.
<quoted text>
lightning will strike you or a stroke will.. what was that commandment about lying?

“GOD is LOVE”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#3270 Feb 4, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Grandpasmurf
You have no clue what a true Christian is.,,,...[cut],,...
<quoted text>
Well, I respectively disagree with you. I don't even call myself a Christian anymore because of closed minded people such as you who appear to be in the majority of those who claim to be one of the 32000 or so variations of so-called born again Christians yet keep the hate in the world stirred up.

At one time people like you felt the bible supported slavery, At another point in time it was being born black that was evil, it was considered the mark of Cain.

Ignorant and hateful people used this to condone the mistreatment of minorities. This was all done because it was believed the bible said so!

As the historical Jesus pointed out, it isn't in being a follower of him that we find the truth that sets us free , it is in doing the works that he recommended., the two most important commandments in the bible.

In the parable of the good Samaritan Jesus specifically chose the sect of the person in the parable that was the most unpopular sect in Israel at the time. He than compared him to a category of people looked up to in the community as we read here:

Luke 10:25-37

King James Version (KJV)

"25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?

30 And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.

31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.

32 And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.

33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,

34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.

35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.

36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?

37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise."

This is the essence of the message of the historical Jesus. To be born again is the mystical experience he attempted to share with humanity based on the reality that GOD is LOVE and all of us, even the unloving, are ONE WITH GOD.

Notice when he said "It is written" the Greek scriptures had yet to be written. The only scriptures the historical Jesus considered sacred were the Hebrew Scriptures.

Confirming this truth for yourself is what is meant by the phrase "to be born again".

Your version of Christianity is not from Jesus, it's from Paul and other promoters of the Roman hoax of Christianity.

I notice you gave no scriptural proofs for your constant judging of others. Jesus did not say you could judge if you had scripture to back you up, he simply said "Judge Not!".

Still looking for proof for your hate?

Try Paul's writings. He pretty much disagreed with everything that Jesus taught about LOVE and went with the pagan Roman hoax of Christianity and it's conditional love(hate) based on judgment that is consistent with what you appear to be projecting here on topix.

“GOD is LOVE”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#3272 Feb 4, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Troth for Leogere
Only liar here is you. Now prove I am Penny or shut your mouth.
You are a disgusting human being like your daughter. You failed your daughter and that is why she is gay. To bad you do not know how to be a human being and raise your child right so she did not turn gay.
<quoted text>
I don't know Troth, and I don't know who you are either, but I do know as a parent that what you said to Troth is one of the most judgmental, hateful, and hurtful things any human being can say to another!

Go ahead and call yourself a born again Christian if you want to. Why not? You have a long history of hateful murderous people behind you all claiming to be born again and all behaving hatefully in ignorance of the work needed to actually be in compliance with the simple truth the historical Jesus shared.

And all of you bogus born agains can contemplate this scripture that Jesus stated especially for you:

Matthew 7:20-23 (New International Version,2010)

20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
True and False Disciples

21 "Not everyone who says to me, "Lord, Lord," will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me on that day, "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?"

23 Then I will tell them plainly, "I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"

LOVE is the key that fits the narrow gate, it's not an easy path, and few follow it. Hate is the broad highway with the soft ride and with the comfy seats and the preacher tickling your ears with false promises that Karl Marx likened to the opium of the people.

Believe it or not there are actually websites by born again Christians that claim that the unconditional LOVE at the heart of the ministry of the historical Jesus is satanic!

Born again? As what?

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