Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Apr 27, 2009 | Posted by: SongBookz | Full story: news.yahoo.com

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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Tony C wrote:
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Only stupid people think that. The rest of us know better.
Groups can try to get legal marriage right now. Why wait for gay marriage?
Why isn't there legalized polygamy in Massachusetts or Canada?
Because you're full of it.
The reason these things have not happened yet is because most people know what a marriage is only: ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN.
Change the definition and you can have group marriages, brothers and sisters marrying and any other kind of configuration. Polygamists know that they will seek to legalize their "marriages" on the same grounds you want to.
Once same sex "marriage" is legal we should expect the above.

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The reason these things have not happened yet is because most people know what a marriage is only: ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN.
Change the definition and you can have group marriages, brothers and sisters marrying and any other kind of configuration. Polygamists know that they will seek to legalize their "marriages" on the same grounds you want to.
Once same sex "marriage" is legal we should expect the above.
Sorry, but if polygamist want to have the legal right to marry they can do so at any time......and if the truth be known.......multiple women were allowed in biblical times!!!

Again, NONE of these supposed other groups NEED to wait until Marriage Equality happens for Same-Sex Couples.......they can fight for their right now......and the whole brother wanting to marry sister or mother or other family member is just a red herring!!!

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Jeff wrote:
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The reason these things have not happened yet is because most people know what a marriage is only: ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN.
Change the definition and you can have group marriages, brothers and sisters marrying and any other kind of configuration. Polygamists know that they will seek to legalize their "marriages" on the same grounds you want to.
Once same sex "marriage" is legal we should expect the above.
Why should expect the above? It hasn't happened in countries where same-sex marriage has been legal for over a decade. So now all of sudden it will?
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Sorry, but if polygamist want to have the legal right to marry they can do so at any time......and if the truth be known.......multiple women were allowed in biblical times!!!
Again, NONE of these supposed other groups NEED to wait until Marriage Equality happens for Same-Sex Couples.......they can fight for their right now......and the whole brother wanting to marry sister or mother or other family member is just a red herring!!!
This thing is evolving. It may take years but you should expect to see "Marriage Equality" for the groups I mentioned.

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This thing is evolving. It may take years but you should expect to see "Marriage Equality" for the groups I mentioned.
Like you've been told......hasn't happened and probably won't.......my guess is that possibly polygamist might get their wish one day......but I doubt the others will that you claim and even if they do......how will that truly affect your marriage or mine?

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Yes, a noble attempt to find meaning and security in a confusing world. A long time ago!!!!!! The world was flat back then and the sun actually rose and set.
They obviously were influenced by the Greeks and Egyptians but were rather backward by comparison. It seems they were trying to establish a national identity claiming to be God's chosen people which appears to be a rather dubious given the circumstances.

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Well sugar
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You're just out of sync with GOD
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most fundies are; po'thangs
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Perhaps you're just not Christian enough to comprehend the Authorized King James Bible; and for good reason:
http://etb-history-theology.blogspot.com/2012...
King James wasn't a homosexual!!!!!! That lie has been debunked many many times before.......
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Here is some excellent information from a book by Stephen Coston, "King James Unjustly Accused?" This is the best stuff I've ever read defending the character of King James.

It turns out that the younger man (George Villiers) that James is accused of having a homosexual relationship with, was taken as a "son" by James, after his father died at an early age. Not only that, but James' oldest son died young, and Villiers filled the void. Not only that, but James' own father died in his infancy (James ascended to the throne of Scotland at only One year of age) and he knew the hardships of growing up without a father. The terms of endearment toward Villiers were as from a father to a son. The terms were common speech of the day, and Coston gives countless examples of that. He also gave many quotes of thankfulness to James from Villiers' mother for helping raise him, and from Villiers' wife for remaining a close friend. They would've not been likely to commend a queer. Three generations of the Villiers family lived in the palace with the ruling Stuart family. The families remained close long after James was dead and gone.

King James condemned homosexuality numerous times, he advised his own son to "Guard against corrupt leide ... and last of all, mignard and EFFEMINATE ones."

He also penned the advice, "But especially eschew to be EFFEMINATE in your clothes, in perfuming, preining, or such like, and make not a FOOL of yourself in disguising or wearing LONG your hair or nails, which are but EXCRETEMENTS of nature."

I've never heard a homosexual castigate homosexuality like that!

James had many enemies. The Catholics hated him passionately. Many Brits disliked him because he was the first King of England of Scottish descent. The United Kingdom was first united under James' reign. He was the first to call the kingdom "Great Britain". His enemies are the ones who made the accusations. Enemies of God's word perpetuate the attacks. Nobody then thought James was a homo, the first accusations were not leveled until 25 years after he was dead.

James also was a saved man with a desire to spread the Gospel. Due to having the aforementioned enemies, there were many attempts to assault and assassinate James. He told one attacker, "Are you after my life? You can get it, but you will not get my soul". King James authorized the first charters establishing settlements that would become States in America, as well as the Mayflower Compact. All of these had evangelism of the heathen as their primary purpose. James also wrote against the masculinization of women in their apparel, and against the dangers of smoking.

He may have had faults like anyone, he may have made mistakes as King, but in general, we don't have to apologize for King James' character.

http://www.baptistlink.com/godandcountry/kjv/...

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The reason these things have not happened yet is because most people know what a marriage is only: ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN.
Change the definition and you can have group marriages, brothers and sisters marrying and any other kind of configuration. Polygamists know that they will seek to legalize their "marriages" on the same grounds you want to.
Once same sex "marriage" is legal we should expect the above.
Amen Jeff!!!!

The Word of God is crystal clear, marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN!

Not a man and man
Not a woman and woman

Marriage is defined by the Word of God!

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Born_Again_Christian wrote:
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A Christian would not be using the language you are in here. You are proving our point more and more on a daily basis you do not know Christ as you claim. A Christian does not talk like the world or even act like it. You are the joke cause you come from a dysfunctional family and your dad failed you and now you become a homosexual to fulfill the love you never got from a good nurturing father.
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A true Christian would not spend all of their time judging others in defiance of scripture while ignoring the two most important commandments in both the Hebrew and the Greek scriptures that are all about the all encompassing LOVE that is GOD:

1 John 4:8 (King James Version)

"8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love."

The admonishment not to judge follows a close second. But it is somewhat redundant in that you can not be a LOVING person towards your neighbor when you try to take GOD'S place in judgment, a task you as a limited mortal can not possibly do.

And rejecting scientific evidence you find disturbing because it does not fit your interpretation of the scriptures you use to support your hate of your neighbor is totally insane!

Here again is the latest scientific understanding of sexual orientation and how it occurs before birth as gay people have been insisting for centuries:

http://evolequals.com/2012/09/04/sexual-orien...

I chose this article out of a number of articles that came up with the search phrase "sexual orientation determined in the womb"

There were actually 355,000 results for the search.

It is not that hard to research the cutting edge in scientific research into this subject that affects all of humanity as a family.

It is estimated that over 10 % of the population is gay. This occurs across the whole mammal family and even the Avian family.

To deny this reality to protect a religion is just as insane as it was to demonize left handed people as was done in times past out of ignorance.

And only a total idiot in denial would consider a gay penguin couple doomed to hell for raising an egg rejected by a female:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/0...

I personally am moved by this couple who stayed together for 6 years before being given an egg to raise as their own!

Only a religious bigot who chooses their limited understanding of one book over reality can dismiss this example of profound LOVE and call it twisted!

GOD is in reality people! Not in books written by men!
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King James wasn't a homosexual!!!!!! That lie has been debunked many many times before.......
No it hasn't. His love letters to men still exist today, so stop with the bullshit LIES.
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Amen Jeff!!!!
The Word of God is crystal clear, marriage is between a MAN and a WOMAN!
Not a man and man
Not a woman and woman
Marriage is defined by the Word of God!
Fortunately, here in the good ol' USA, marriage is defined by law.... and your god is NOWHERE to be found in the law.

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A true Christian would not spend all of their time judging others in defiance of scripture while ignoring the two most important commandments in both the Hebrew and the Greek scriptures that are all about the all encompassing LOVE that is GOD:
1 John 4:8 (King James Version)
"8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love."
The admonishment not to judge follows a close second. But it is somewhat redundant in that you can not be a LOVING person towards your neighbor when you try to take GOD'S place in judgment, a task you as a limited mortal can not possibly do.
And rejecting scientific evidence you find disturbing because it does not fit your interpretation of the scriptures you use to support your hate of your neighbor is totally insane!
Here again is the latest scientific understanding of sexual orientation and how it occurs before birth as gay people have been insisting for centuries:
http://evolequals.com/2012/09/04/sexual-orien...
I chose this article out of a number of articles that came up with the search phrase "sexual orientation determined in the womb"
There were actually 355,000 results for the search.
It is not that hard to research the cutting edge in scientific research into this subject that affects all of humanity as a family.
It is estimated that over 10 % of the population is gay. This occurs across the whole mammal family and even the Avian family.
To deny this reality to protect a religion is just as insane as it was to demonize left handed people as was done in times past out of ignorance.
And only a total idiot in denial would consider a gay penguin couple doomed to hell for raising an egg rejected by a female:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/0...
I personally am moved by this couple who stayed together for 6 years before being given an egg to raise as their own!
Only a religious bigot who chooses their limited understanding of one book over reality can dismiss this example of profound LOVE and call it twisted!
GOD is in reality people! Not in books written by men!
Great post. Love your closing line.
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Jane Dodo wrote:
<quoted text>Fortunately, here in the good ol' USA, marriage is defined by law.... and your god is NOWHERE to be found in the law.
where is "gay marriage" in the law of your state?

right next to god, right?

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Jane Dodo wrote:
<quoted text>Fortunately, here in the good ol' USA, marriage is defined by law.... and your god is NOWHERE to be found in the law.
Your god, Satan, has already been condemned to eternal Hell and Damnation. He's not there yet though.....he is roaming to and fro deceiving as many fools as possible. He wants to drag as many people that he can along with him to eternal Hell.

You people need to repent and come to Jesus for the forgiveness of your sins!!!!!!!!

John 3:36- He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

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More phony Christian lies and condemnations.

What a bunch of worthless morons.

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A true Christian would not spend all of their time judging others in defiance of scripture while ignoring the two most important commandments in both the Hebrew and the Greek scriptures that are all about the all encompassing LOVE that is GOD:
1 John 4:8 (King James Version)
"8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love."
The admonishment not to judge follows a close second. But it is somewhat redundant in that you can not be a LOVING person towards your neighbor when you try to take GOD'S place in judgment, a task you as a limited mortal can not possibly do.
And rejecting scientific evidence you find disturbing because it does not fit your interpretation of the scriptures you use to support your hate of your neighbor is totally insane!
Here again is the latest scientific understanding of sexual orientation and how it occurs before birth as gay people have been insisting for centuries:
http://evolequals.com/2012/09/04/sexual-orien...
I chose this article out of a number of articles that came up with the search phrase "sexual orientation determined in the womb"
There were actually 355,000 results for the search.
It is not that hard to research the cutting edge in scientific research into this subject that affects all of humanity as a family.
It is estimated that over 10 % of the population is gay. This occurs across the whole mammal family and even the Avian family.
To deny this reality to protect a religion is just as insane as it was to demonize left handed people as was done in times past out of ignorance.
And only a total idiot in denial would consider a gay penguin couple doomed to hell for raising an egg rejected by a female:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/0...
I personally am moved by this couple who stayed together for 6 years before being given an egg to raise as their own!
Only a religious bigot who chooses their limited understanding of one book over reality can dismiss this example of profound LOVE and call it twisted!
GOD is in reality people! Not in books written by men!
ABSOLUTELY the best post on this specific topic by FAR!
The fundies will do their blabbering as they always do because of a lack of couth, intelligence, compassion (as in Christ)and downright ignorance and selfishness..

Carry on!

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Born_Again_Christian wrote:
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You have no clue what a true Christian is. You are not a Christian you support perverted marriage (same sex marriage). I do not care if 50 percent of the population was gay that still does not change what God says concerning the abomination of homosexuality. In fact if only 10 percent is gay then that proves you are not born gay because there would be a higher percentage. Being gay is caused by sexual abuse and emotional abuse on the part of the same gender of the gay person. I will stick to God and his word and he says homosexuality is wrong.
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Penny, shut your yap! You are nothing but a liar.. a FAT ugly one like your mother and your brother..

BTW, I throw dart at your momma pic daily.. gawd is it ugly!

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More phony Christian lies and condemnations.
What a bunch of worthless morons.
A REAL Christian isn't going to hold your hand, sing Kumbaya with you, and tell you that sinful lifestyles are okay.

SIN has consequences......perverted sexual lifestyles lead to diseases:

Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS/HIV)
Chancroid (Chancroid)
Chlamydia (Chlamydia)
Gonococcal Infection (Gonorrhea)
Granuloma inguinale (Granuloma inguinale)
Hepatitis , B (Hep B)
Herpes (Herpes)
Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV)
Human Papillomarivus (Genital Warts (HPV)
Lymphogranuloma venereum infection (LVG)
Pelvic Inflammatory Disease (PID)
Pthiriasis (Crabs; Public Lice Infestation)
Syphilis , primary, secondary, early latent (Syphilis)
Syphilis , Late latent, or congenital (Syphilis)
Vaginosis , bacterial (Yeast Infection)

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Only liar here is you. Now prove I am Penny or shut your mouth.
You are a disgusting human being like your daughter. You failed your daughter and that is why she is gay. To bad you do not know how to be a human being and raise your child right so she did not turn gay.
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Im throwin darts at nancy c.***G

what a bovine!

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Troth for Leogere
Only liar here is you. Now prove I am Penny or shut your mouth.
You are a disgusting human being like your daughter. You failed your daughter and that is why she is gay. To bad you do not know how to be a human being and raise your child right so she did not turn gay.
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lightning will strike you or a stroke will.. what was that commandment about lying?

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