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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

There are 16101 comments on the news.yahoo.com story from Apr 27, 2009, titled Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?. In it, news.yahoo.com reports that:

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2785 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Tony,
Your real father divorced your mom at 5? That explains why you geared toward another male because you longed for your real father and his love and you sought it out in another male. Does not matter if there was another male role model. A father's presence in a child's life is very important especially the natural father. Your step dad cannot fulfill the same role as your natural father.
<quoted text>
Well there you go, you've cracked the case...if that were the same for all gay people. But it isn't. As I just stated in a previous post, there are plenty of straight kids from divorced families, and there are plenty of gay kids from intact families.

In fact, my 3 long term relationships (the first two being about 1 year each, plus my marriage) were each with a man who had a run of the mill, intact family. My first lover's parents were married until they died in their old age, and there was nothing unusual about their relationship to each other or to him. Oh and he has two straight brothers and one gay sister.

My second lover's parents are still married. Very nice people. No issues of attachment or bonding or other nonsense you'd like to make up. He has two straight brothers.

And my husband's parents were married well into his adulthood until his mother died of cancer relatively young. He was already in college at the time. He had a great relationship with her, and still to this day has a great relationship with his Dad (as do I.) He has 4 straight brothers.

Your little theories are being blown to bits left and right - by the truth.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2786 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Tony,
You are only married in the States eyes. In God's eyes he says marriage is between a man and a woman so you really do not have a marriage made by God.
<quoted text>
What you say does not matter. I know my experience. It was a very spiritual day. And I know God was with us.

You can keep talking and talking - but you don't matter.

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#2789 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Nettiebelle,
God made marriage between men and women not men and men.
<quoted text>
God and Jesus never said anything about same-sex marriage.
How easily you forget that polygamy and having concubines were mentioned all over the OT and, even into the NT, women were treated as property.
Do you really think a wife bought using some cattle or land was a marriage in God's eyes during that culture?
Do you really think that a wife, during that time period, having absolutely no rights or voice about her life or even who she married was approved of by God OR Jesus?

Jesus was the first man in the Bible to treat women as worthy and as equals.

“I will not keep calm”

Since: Mar 08

Raise hell...change the world

#2790 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Tony,
Nope you are wrong.
If you put a gay porn in front of them they will tear it up and then ask why would you tempt them to fall back into sin.
That is like putting a needle in front of a drug addict and saying now do not teach that needle it has heroin in it or a beer in front of a alcoholic. Both of these things if you tempt someone they will fall back into the lifestyle.
If you want to die and burn in hell for your perversion that is on you, but stop being ignorant to the fact that men and women all the time come out of the lifestyle of homosexuality.
You can change your sexual orientation you just do not want to your to bound by the lies of Satan.
God has changed it for many men and women so again you are wrong. You make excuse after excuse for your sin.
<quoted text>
Just a question for you. Have you ever tried to change your sexuality?
I have found that those who fight so adamantly against it, are usually hiding their own desires.
What is it that you are so afraid of?

“I will not keep calm”

Since: Mar 08

Raise hell...change the world

#2791 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Tony,
Raised your younger siblings? Where was your mom and dad ? Seems you are answering some of my questions why you sought out the gay lifestyle. Dad missing from the picture? Where was mom? Why were you responsible for your younger siblings? Looking for a role model in another man since dad did not fulfill that? Very interesting!!
<quoted text>
You just lost any credibility you could have had with your above statements.
You have just answered my question though as to why you think people choose homosexuality.
You are obviously the type who would blame childhood events on the way you turn out.
Our reactions to life events is a choice. The person we become and the way we treat others is a choice.
Our sexual orientation is NOT a choice.
You made a lot of assumptions about Tony based on his brief statement.
ugh..........

“I will not keep calm”

Since: Mar 08

Raise hell...change the world

#2792 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Tony,
No they are not still gay. Just because you decide to be gay others can decide to leave the gay life and never look back.
Oh and God did not fail you cause you can still repent and leave homosexuality.
<quoted text>
You mean they get to live a lie just to make others happy.
God loves all his children, even the misguided ones like you.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#2793 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Tony,
Sexuality is a choice. God made male and female now do you want to explain if God made you gay why he did not make 2 males first?
Yes, you did make a choice to be gay and you can be set free from being gay, but from the way you talk you rather live in your sin than spend the rest of your life alone. No, I was never attracted to both sexes I grew up knowing that I was attracted to the opposite because that is how men and women are wired to like one another not go for the same sex. Same sex is unnatural. You can fight all you want about equality just know I will be fighting against you in this area. Your marriage and all other gay marriages are nothing but shams and God will deal with those who legalized your "marriage".
<quoted text>
Sexuality is NOT a choice. How it is expressed is.

Lots of fallacious argument there. Too much, really.

Since: Mar 09

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#2794 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Nettiebelle,
God made marriage between men and women not men and men.
<quoted text>
You base that on Biblicism and Inerrecy, both fallacies.

Your assertion falls.

No point.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#2795 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Jane Dodo,
I am not lying. I do know several people who have come out of the gay and lesbian lifestyle. You may want to do your own research it happens all the time just cause you do not believe it does not mean it does not happen. Reality is God made male and female and if you cannot tell the difference in the plumbing then you have the issue.
I am educated in this and will continue to expose your lies of homosexuality being "normal".
<quoted text>
Bisexuals who shift their preference, and hedonists who later opt for a controlled lifestyle are NOT gay people who have changed.

More precision in your examination and selection of facts, please.

What do YOU mean by gay "lifestyle"? Are you using the term in the common sense of the term, or just one peculiar to your viewpoint?

Also, please name one behavior that you see as characteristic of gay in a definitive sense. Let's look at that for a bit.

Since: Mar 09

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#2796 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Norcal Native,
The Bible says he did die on the cross now do I believe you or the Holy Word of God? I will believe the latter.
I never said I do not sin. I said I do not live in daily sin like you do in homosexuality. I repent when I am in error and then I do my best not to repeat that sin over again. Show me in the Bible where it says I cannot speak for God. Chapter and Verse please. Since Moses and David and others spoke for God.
Wow did I hit a nerve? Seems every time we hit a nerve on here you homosexuals bring out the curse words. I am sorry, but truth always hurts and if you repent God will forgive you. Oh, and I feel honored cause they also cursed Jesus and spit on him when he tried to warn them.
<quoted text>
The Roman spear actually saved his life .... for about 7 weeks until septicemia, and probably tetanus, killed him. He was then "taken up and a cloud hid him from their sight". That last was poetical, not literal.

Since: Mar 09

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#2797 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Dana
No, it does not apply to everyone. A homosexual is in open rebellious sin and this does not apply to them. I love homosexuals enough to tell them to stop or burn in hell unlike you that rather see them head straight to hell. Yes, he did die for them and if they do not repent they will burn. I do not live in open rebellious sin I repent when I know I have sinned unlike the homosexual who practices their sin daily. I have gay friends so again they are also not my enemy. Learn scripture before you spout off that it applies to everyone it does not. Scripture is written to the Christians in the New Testament not to the non Christian.
<quoted text>
" ... And who is my neighbor?..."

Since: Mar 09

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#2798 Feb 2, 2013
ThePreacherman01 wrote:
<quoted text> I have been a Pastor more then 20 years, I preach/teach the Bible in truth. I will not in any way water the word of God to fit anyone lifestyle. Same sex marriage and homosexuality, gays will all burn in hell that is just FACT. God never made anyone "gay" a lifestyle like that is by choice, and there is no such thing as a gay Christian.
My advice is if you got a lifestyle like this you better put a stop to it right now, or pay for it the hard way. I have told you the truth, no man made lies, I have done this in love, to help you now the choice is yours to do no one else. Your choice is hell or Heaven, you will face God and you will be judge on your lifestyle its all up to you!!
Prove, rationally and by evidence, one thing that you just posted.

Just ONE.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#2799 Feb 2, 2013
ThePreacherman01 wrote:
<quoted text> FALSE, from day one of the RCC was put on this earth by Satan not God. Do you understand what is going on in the RCC for the pass 40 or better. Preacher's are having sex with children. Now if you call that being a Christian, then there is something wrong with you girl real bad. Same sex marriage and gays is against the laws of God and those people will burn in hell for every FACT!!
The heresy called "christendom" began with Saul, not later.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#2800 Feb 2, 2013
LIes Busters wrote:
<quoted text>Strange, because in Canada and the US, 80% of HIV infections are gays. CDC.gov
And? It's a disease caused by a virus, like the flu. And, like many other diseases, AIDS is more prevalent in some groups than others. Homophobes just bring up AIDS in an attempt to demonize gay men.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#2801 Feb 2, 2013
LIes Busters wrote:
<quoted text>No, that would be you trying to use anything to pretend that the dirty toilet is not filled with your crap. Straights do not need to reveal anything to gays, the message is in your mind and you can't escape. It is you gays who commit suicide and 91% of you gays contemplate it.
They have to live in a world filled with worthless people like you, constantly telling them their innate feelings are evil.
If you homophobes would just mind your own business, instead of thinking about gay sex more than gay people do, the gay suicide problem would be solved.
LIes Busters wrote:
No matter how you slice it, the issue is within you and that makes you mentally worse than even pedophiles which are mostly gays anyway.
BS.
LIes Busters wrote:
Here is the thing, if by your group's claims, straights can be closet gays, then that means that all gays are closet pedophiles. Ask NAMBLA, they are your gay leaders.
Why are you homophobes so fixated on NAMBLA?

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#2803 Feb 2, 2013
not ashamed wrote:
<quoted text> You just lost any credibility you could have had with your above statements.
You have just answered my question though as to why you think people choose homosexuality.
You are obviously the type who would blame childhood events on the way you turn out.
Our reactions to life events is a choice. The person we become and the way we treat others is a choice.
Our sexual orientation is NOT a choice.
You made a lot of assumptions about Tony based on his brief statement.
ugh..........
I still don't agree with your mormon faith, not ashamed, but I have a new found respect for you as a person. I am amazed at the depth of the LOVE and the wisdom you revealed in this post! You could have knocked me over with a feather when I first read it!

It took a lot of courage for you to stand up and be counted for accepting a very unpopular truth! I applaud you for that!

your religion might be wacky but your heart is pure!

have a good evening!

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2804 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Tony,
Your real father divorced your mom at 5? That explains why you geared toward another male because you longed for your real father and his love and you sought it out in another male. Does not matter if there was another male role model. A father's presence in a child's life is very important especially the natural father. Your step dad cannot fulfill the same role as your natural father.
<quoted text>
And THAT being your response to this post:

This is getting insulting now, but again reveals how little you know.
Where in my story did you hear anything about me making a choice? If I had no attraction to girls, then how could I CHOOSE that?
I have no problem with overcoming temptation. I'm excellent at overcoming temptation. Did you miss the part where I didn't allow myself to even kiss another man until I was 24 years old? So, check the box for overcoming temptation. No problem whatsoever. This is not an issue of temptation or willpower or choice. Get that through your ignorant head.
Insulting quote number one: "It is called saying no to boys and asking God to give you the ability to overcome."
Do you even read my posts? Ever? Did you not read where I repeatedly stated that I did not allow myself ANY experience with men until I was 24 years old? I realized I was gay at age 12. I refused to acknowledge it at the time. And I thought if I didn't do anything about it, then I wasn't gay. So check the box for "saying no to boys." Then did you get the part where I said I had the presence of mind, at age 12, which most kids don't, to turn to God and pray and beg for him not to put me through this. I once begged him to break my legs instead - because I didn't trust Him and I thought I couldn't handle this. I prayed and cried and begged for 12 straight years. So I think that more than qualifies as "asking God to give me the ability to overcome." I defy you to find another 12 year old boy who tried harder and with greater sincerity.
You simplistic ass. So easy for you to read a book and think you know what you're talking about. Arrogance. Arrogance. Arrogance.
As to your other insulting questions to which you do not deserve an answer: I was never sexually abused. Nobody forced me to play with girlie stuff, you ass. And that can't make you gay, for the record. Mom & Dad divorced when I was 5 and mom remarried when I was 6, so there was always at least one male role model around, not to mention my grandfather and uncle. But nice try.

...is why you have earned no further discussion from me.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#2805 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Dana
That is where you are the liar cause I do have gay friends and they know where I stand on the subject. Yes, his message of love is for all, but he will not let them into heaven unless they receive Christ and repent. You do not get to tell me what work for the Lord I am doing. I love homosexuals enough to want them to repent and come to Christ do you? Or you rather them stay in their sin and burn in hell? Whose side are you on? I never claimed to be sinless. I do not live in open sin on a daily basis just to see what I can get away with and if you are a Christian and do then something is wrong with your walk with Christ. So stop with trying to condemn me and start condemning the open sin of homosexuals so they repent and come to Christ. As Jesus said there is now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.
<quoted text>
What you are doing is not love.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#2806 Feb 2, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
<quoted text>
I still don't agree with your mormon faith, not ashamed, but I have a new found respect for you as a person. I am amazed at the depth of the LOVE and the wisdom you revealed in this post! You could have knocked me over with a feather when I first read it!
It took a lot of courage for you to stand up and be counted for accepting a very unpopular truth! I applaud you for that!
your religion might be wacky but your heart is pure!
have a good evening!
She is a good person.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#2807 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Rose
Apparently some can not read. The verses do not say both got naked go back and read 1 Samuel 20 and you will see. Homosexuals love to add to the Bible. So you never been in front of any of your friends naked except whom you have had sex with? Never been on an outing and rented a motel with good friends and changed clothes in front of them before bed? No sex involved. Some think cause you get naked you have to have sex. I feel sorry for people like this. Being naked is not a sin.
<quoted text>
I've never stripped in front of anybody unless I was going to have sex with them. The story wasn't about two people in a motel changing clothes. It was a story about one person stripping in front of another. Having sex is not a sin. Sin doesn't exist.

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