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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

There are 16101 comments on the news.yahoo.com story from Apr 27, 2009, titled Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?. In it, news.yahoo.com reports that:

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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Cookie_Parker

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#230 Jan 17, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Now, now... there is no need to exaggerate:
Leviticus 15:24 And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean.
Does your comment

"NO, JEsus, know peace" Make you an atheist?

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#231 Jan 17, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
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First off I don't attack people I attack false religion which has afflicted the entire human race with a form of insanity that needs to be healed.
Really? lol So the many religions you attack aren't made up of people that believe in that religion? So by your logic when you attack a religion, you expect the people involved in that religion not to take offense at you attacking their religion?
Speaking to someone who listens to you telling them their beliefs aren't correct according to your opinion is tolerable.
But when you out right attack a persons religion with the hate and anger you have in your speech for that religion, the person(s) will normally find great offense that you think your opinion of God is more correct then their own. Get it?

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#232 Jan 17, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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Does your comment
"NO, JEsus, know peace" Make you an atheist?
No. In point of fact, I am an ordained priest.

Oh, and if there was room, I would add: "No Allah, know peace"

Cookie_Parker

Since: Sep 08

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#233 Jan 17, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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No. In point of fact, I am an ordained priest.
Oh, and if there was room, I would add: "No Allah, know peace"
So, what you are saying is that if we had NO Jesus and NO Allah, then everyone would be at peace?

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

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#234 Jan 17, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
And I do not use vicious language. I have not said anything that could be construed to be vicious as you claim. You are trying to put words into my mouth again.
And since everything posted is still here you need to search for and find what you are accusing me of saying or admit how you tried to defame my character with false accusations.
You make vicious, calculated mean spirited statements all the time.
Need some examples from this very post?
This is a vicious calculated statement.
"I seek to expose false religions such as yours that endanger the mental and spiritual health of our youth."
It's calculated and vicious because you indirectly reference Mormon youth as deranged and evil and hateful angry souls from the doctrines fed to them, insinuating they will become as their parents.
Here's another very mean, very spiteful, very vicious and calculated derogatory statement that comes from the dark reaches of your darkened soul.
"...that your masters..."
You have stated I have masters. You have stated I am nothing but a ill-minded slave without a coherent thinking capacity so I have to have masters so I can be there slave to exist. That was as mean and nasty and vicious and cold and calculating of an un-Christian like thing to say that you feel so self righteous in stating. You have a very dark, vicious, mean, angry hating soul when it comes to some of the things you say. And you just lied like a true pathetic liar saying you use no such language for any one. How pathetic are you?
And this one that you state over and over and over yet you take no accountability for the murderous actions of your own ancestors that came to this country and supported the slaughter of the natives so they could live here. You're such a pathetic hypocrite.
"The example of the Mountain Meadows Massacre that your masters in Salt Lake City still deny responsibility for says volumes about religious bigotry and hate."
You still have as to date to explain how people that live 150 years after an ugly event they had absolutely nothing to do with, are being held accountable by you as if they had killed those people themselves. You accuse all Mormon people from infants to old age of having responsibility for a massacre that took place 150 years ago. You expect them all to fall before you on their knees and beg forgiveness for actions they didn't commit nor support. And you call them irrational? That logic of your's is the logic of a fricking mental case and you state yourself.
You're mentally impaired to blame people living today for an act committed 150 years ago! You're a freaking psycho! And you don't see it! You see it as a God righteous act to blame living people today for a murderous massacre they never committed! You need some real time therapy dude!

“Good day to you!”

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#235 Jan 17, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 said...
"A religious bigot would be someone who thinks their particular religion is the only right religion and all others are evil."
Reply...( In the below you make nice-nice statements of how you're just a pleasant person politely informing others of how irrational their beliefs are concerning God. What it really defines you as is a religious bigot as you described yourself in the above statement. You just come across as a overly polite religious bigot. And a religious bigot is a person who elevates their theistic beliefs above all others as the most correct while condemning other religious beliefs which you do ALL THE TIME.)
"I seek to expose false religions such as yours that endanger the mental and spiritual health of our youth.
I don't consider false religion evil anymore than believing in Santa Claus is evil. But I do consider it a cause of insanity and this has been observed by professionals all over the globe.
I am pointing out the dangers of the insanity of false religions such as the organization of Later Day Saints and others that need to be exposed as such for the sake of humanity."
.......
"I am not surprised that people like you take offense with me. I am exposing the false belief system that you mistakenly consider your ticket to immortality.
You perceive this as an attack on your person as you think it is threatening your survival. That is why you accuse me of attacking people.
Actually it should do just the opposite. If you let go of your false belief system you might be able to expand your consciousness into something that is real.
And your post says an awful lot about why I say many people are against me. You are not the only one that gets really, really upset at my writings but you are one of the more prolific posters when you get stirred up!"
Reply...(I have never taken any personal offense with you as a person. I have taken offense at how you think your so above the rest of humanity in your theistic idealisms and how wrong most everyone else is concerning their theistic idealisms. Get it?)
.....
"I won't back down. You don't like the Mountain Meadows Massacre and other skeletons in the church's closet being brought up but with the advent of the internet more and more people are going to start studying your church from the outside looking in and they are not going to like what they see!"
Reply...(Not saying you need to back down. Just saying you should read what you write a few times before you post it. Just a suggestion. Neither have I any connections with that massacre. I have no connections with the massacre of American Natives from South America to the Arctic areas of Canada. I'm sorry those massacres happened but there's nothing I can do about them. So I have no need to apologize for what I didn't do. You don't like it that people not involved in a vicious massacre won't let themselves be held accountable to others actions 150 years ago. You hate and detest with malevolent feelings leaving you seeing red with foul hate and anger that they won't take the blame for other's actions. You're insane to even think something like that and you don't know that's insanity thinking. But it is. I dare you to ask a shrink!
Don't describe a thing to a shrink. Just find one and ask one if it's normal thinking to blame living people for the actions of dead people that did a terrible deed 150 years ago. I FRICKING DARE YOU TO DO IT.)
......
"If TRUTH rapidly spread by the masses can bring down the Soviet Union think what it can do to false religion!"
Reply...(Truth didn't bring them down! Are you wigging nuts? A failed government based on socialism failed to serve the masses in a way they liked and profited from is what brought that government down. The people got tired of being suppressed and got real tired of going without. Those Russians were well aware of the difference between their socialistic government and non-socialistic governments. They wanted change! Truth had nothing to do with it.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#236 Jan 17, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
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First off I don't attack people I attack false religion which has afflicted the entire human race with a form of insanity that needs to be healed.
I provide documented proof for my statements pointing out flaws in a given belief system. I have to go up against irrational people like you full of rage and fear of a false god of conditional love.
I do this because it needs to be done. I take no pleasure in hurting people's feelings.
And I do not use vicious language. I have not said anything that could be construed to be vicious as you claim. You are trying to put words into my mouth again.
And since everything posted is still here you need to search for and find what you are accusing me of saying or admit how you tried to defame my character with false accusations.
I seek to expose false religions such as yours that endanger the mental and spiritual health of our youth.
The example of the Mountain Meadows Massacre that your masters in Salt Lake City still deny responsibility for says volumes about religious bigotry and hate.

(Edited to make room for a response)

Wake up to who you are No Surprise and give up the hate!
Amen. and right on the money. According to No Surprise, anyone not promotion Mormonism is a hater. He is a clown, pure and simple. Why? Because while he'll never stop his defense of the counterfeit gospel of Jesus Christ, he will tell you he isn't a Mormon. He isn't a member. I was a member for 3months(according to him) and then was excommunicated. He has gone around with me on another thread claiming Smith never had sex with the women he stole from other members, marrying them while their husbands where away on a mission serving the LDS church. We have been debating this for months. Yet today he calls me a liar, saying he never claim that Smith didn't have sex with his polygamous wives. We are talking over a 100 posts from this clown trying to prove Smith didn't. He also doesn't like the fact I call Joseph Smith a sexual predator, pervert, and pig. He thinks it is awful I speak ill of the dead, and shouldn't be doing it.

Now while it is distasteful to him for you to tell the truth about the LDS church, he conveniently forgets that Mormonism was founded on Smith disrespecting all the other faiths. According to Smith all the other churches "are an abomination, and their leaders are corrupt". But, because Smith said it, everything is fine and dandy.

He is the worst kind of clown and self satirists.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#237 Jan 18, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Amen. and right on the money. According to No Surprise, anyone not promotion Mormonism is a hater. He is a clown, pure and simple. Why? Because while he'll never stop his defense of the counterfeit gospel of Jesus Christ, he will tell you he isn't a Mormon. He isn't a member. I was a member for 3months(according to him) and then was excommunicated. He has gone around with me on another thread claiming Smith never had sex with the women he stole from other members, marrying them while their husbands where away on a mission serving the LDS church. We have been debating this for months. Yet today he calls me a liar, saying he never claim that Smith didn't have sex with his polygamous wives. We are talking over a 100 posts from this clown trying to prove Smith didn't. He also doesn't like the fact I call Joseph Smith a sexual predator, pervert, and pig. He thinks it is awful I speak ill of the dead, and shouldn't be doing it.
Now while it is distasteful to him for you to tell the truth about the LDS church, he conveniently forgets that Mormonism was founded on Smith disrespecting all the other faiths. According to Smith all the other churches "are an abomination, and their leaders are corrupt". But, because Smith said it, everything is fine and dandy.
He is the worst kind of clown and self satirists.
Amen and right on the money. You are a self proven liar. Smurf has been a self proven liar at times also. You're both extremists and neither of you rarely tell the truth as it is. You two are more alike than you know.
Amazingly, you both have established wide spread hate speech from so many against you both in so many threads and neither of you have a clue as to why that happens. You two live with this delusion that all you have ever done in these threads is talk nicely, politely, fairly, never ever lying or twisting the truth and that's why people love to hate and dis you both. Because you two feel your just full of honesty and God's own sweet truths and people hate that of you.
You two should meet with nomo and have coffee. You have no idea how alike the three of you are with the deep dark vicious things you find to say while calling yourselves Christians.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#238 Jan 18, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Amen and right on the money. You are a self proven liar. Smurf has been a self proven liar at times also. You're both extremists and neither of you rarely tell the truth as it is. You two are more alike than you know.
Amazingly, you both have established wide spread hate speech from so many against you both in so many threads and neither of you have a clue as to why that happens. You two live with this delusion that all you have ever done in these threads is talk nicely, politely, fairly, never ever lying or twisting the truth and that's why people love to hate and dis you both. Because you two feel your just full of honesty and God's own sweet truths and people hate that of you.
You two should meet with nomo and have coffee. You have no idea how alike the three of you are with the deep dark vicious things you find to say while calling yourselves Christians.
I would love to met him. I enjoy intelligent conversation. As for NoMo, she is always a joy to be around. She is good people. Kind, caring, and loving. She just doesn't tolerate fools well.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#239 Jan 18, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
I would love to met him. I enjoy intelligent conversation. As for NoMo, she is always a joy to be around. She is good people. Kind, caring, and loving. She just doesn't tolerate fools well.
lol...that's really funny. Nomo doesn't tolerate fools? She is her own fool. She speaks as a fool most of the time. She has proven for months in these threads (much like you) she'd rather talk like some sarcastic immature foolish girl than to allow herself to speak as a mature adult.
(Just like you) she prefers to dig into the deep darkness of her immature mind to find what she thinks are vicious, derogatory things to say for no specific reason at all.
You like nomo because of what you both have in common; immature minds, sarcastic natures you use for emotional defence, the indulgence in what you both think is vile, vicious offending speech others deserve or don't deserve you neither care and the fact you both lack the ability to be actual mature minded adults.
PS...a really kind, caring loving mature person would never, ever, allow themselves to try and do their best to degrade others with the foul things you two have thought of to say to others, with the intent to harm their emotions to hurt and piss them off so you can laugh at their reactions.
No kind, caring loving person would ever go there. But I understand that is what you think a kind, caring loving person would do. Some more of your idiocy logic at work, does it ever end?

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#240 Jan 18, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Amen. and right on the money. According to No Surprise, anyone not promotion Mormonism is a hater. He is a clown, pure and simple. Why? Because while he'll never stop his defense of the counterfeit gospel of Jesus Christ, he will tell you he isn't a Mormon. He isn't a member. I was a member for 3months(according to him) and then was excommunicated. He has gone around with me on another thread claiming Smith never had sex with the women he stole from other members, marrying them while their husbands where away on a mission serving the LDS church. We have been debating this for months. Yet today he calls me a liar, saying he never claim that Smith didn't have sex with his polygamous wives. We are talking over a 100 posts from this clown trying to prove Smith didn't. He also doesn't like the fact I call Joseph Smith a sexual predator, pervert, and pig. He thinks it is awful I speak ill of the dead, and shouldn't be doing it.
Now while it is distasteful to him for you to tell the truth about the LDS church, he conveniently forgets that Mormonism was founded on Smith disrespecting all the other faiths. According to Smith all the other churches "are an abomination, and their leaders are corrupt". But, because Smith said it, everything is fine and dandy.
He is the worst kind of clown and self satirists.
The Mormons practice what is called theocratic warfare. This strategy is also practiced by the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses and possibly others.

Theocratic warfare teaches that it ok to lie to outsiders to protect the church.

No Surprise is a theocratic warrior. He attacks with lies and than calls those who question his lies liars! He fails to realize that everything posted here on topix stays posted and can be confirmed. Liars can be exposed!

But repeating the same lies over and over is another strategy of theocratic warfare.

Also twisting the words of others as you can see in this example from one of his recent posts:

"You make vicious, calculated mean spirited statements all the time.
Need some examples from this very post?
This is a vicious calculated statement.
"I seek to expose false religions such as yours that endanger the mental and spiritual health of our youth."
It's calculated and vicious because you indirectly reference Mormon youth as deranged and evil and hateful angry souls from the doctrines fed to them, insinuating they will become as their parents."

As you can see he takes my statement, ""I seek to expose false religions such as yours that endanger the mental and spiritual health of our youth." and than somehow twists it to say instead that I am attacking the youth of the Mormon Church, ignoring the reality of the sentence expressing my concern for the children of all of humanity!

Theocratic warfare in action, twisting words to support the church!

Theocratic warfare is the tool used by the desperate to defend the absurd

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#241 Jan 18, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
<quoted text>
The Mormons practice what is called theocratic warfare. This strategy is also practiced by the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses and possibly others.
Theocratic warfare teaches that it ok to lie to outsiders to protect the church.
No Surprise is a theocratic warrior. He attacks with lies and than calls those who question his lies liars! He fails to realize that everything posted here on topix stays posted and can be confirmed. Liars can be exposed!
But repeating the same lies over and over is another strategy of theocratic warfare.
Also twisting the words of others as you can see in this example from one of his recent posts:
"You make vicious, calculated mean spirited statements all the time.
Need some examples from this very post?
This is a vicious calculated statement.
"I seek to expose false religions such as yours that endanger the mental and spiritual health of our youth."
It's calculated and vicious because you indirectly reference Mormon youth as deranged and evil and hateful angry souls from the doctrines fed to them, insinuating they will become as their parents."
As you can see he takes my statement, ""I seek to expose false religions such as yours that endanger the mental and spiritual health of our youth." and than somehow twists it to say instead that I am attacking the youth of the Mormon Church, ignoring the reality of the sentence expressing my concern for the children of all of humanity!
Theocratic warfare in action, twisting words to support the church!
Theocratic warfare is the tool used by the desperate to defend the absurd
In Mormonism it is called "Lying for the Lord". Here is an example of a Mormon leader telling soon to be missionaries how to do it:


You can find a good collection of open examples of this practice at: http://www.mormonwiki.org/Lying_for_the_Lord

I was a member born and raised in Mormonism. I left after 33yrs when I became born again. I now use my knowledge to help others escape the bondage of Mormonism, and to keep Mormons honest. Though like No Surprise here, he thinks if he keeps repeating his lies, he hope they'll become truths someday. As you have seen, he goes off the deep end when people don't push the LDS's church spin on events to justify the perversions of heir prophets and the lies they want us to buy without investigation.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#242 Jan 18, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
lol...that's really funny. Nomo doesn't tolerate fools? She is her own fool. She speaks as a fool most of the time. She has proven for months in these threads (much like you) she'd rather talk like some sarcastic immature foolish girl than to allow herself to speak as a mature adult.
(Just like you) she prefers to dig into the deep darkness of her immature mind to find what she thinks are vicious, derogatory things to say for no specific reason at all.
You like nomo because of what you both have in common; immature minds, sarcastic natures you use for emotional defence, the indulgence in what you both think is vile, vicious offending speech others deserve or don't deserve you neither care and the fact you both lack the ability to be actual mature minded adults.
PS...a really kind, caring loving mature person would never, ever, allow themselves to try and do their best to degrade others with the foul things you two have thought of to say to others, with the intent to harm their emotions to hurt and piss them off so you can laugh at their reactions.
No kind, caring loving person would ever go there. But I understand that is what you think a kind, caring loving person would do. Some more of your idiocy logic at work, does it ever end?
Nope, it doesn't ever end. We have a bad habit of believing the truth, and not making excuses for liars, thieves, and sexual perverts. We're funny like that.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#243 Jan 18, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>lol...that's really funny. Nomo doesn't tolerate fools? She is her own fool. She speaks as a fool most of the time. She has proven for months in these threads (much like you) she'd rather talk like some sarcastic immature foolish girl than to allow herself to speak as a mature adult.
(Just like you) she prefers to dig into the deep darkness of her immature mind to find what she thinks are vicious, derogatory things to say for no specific reason at all.
You like nomo because of what you both have in common; immature minds, sarcastic natures you use for emotional defence, the indulgence in what you both think is vile, vicious offending speech others deserve or don't deserve you neither care and the fact you both lack the ability to be actual mature minded adults.
PS...a really kind, caring loving mature person would never, ever, allow themselves to try and do their best to degrade others with the foul things you two have thought of to say to others, with the intent to harm their emotions to hurt and piss them off so you can laugh at their reactions.
No kind, caring loving person would ever go there. But I understand that is what you think a kind, caring loving person would do. Some more of your idiocy logic at work, does it ever end?
LOL
Marcus Bachman has a room ready for u at his clinic. Evergreen obviously made things worse...

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#244 Jan 18, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>I would love to met him. I enjoy intelligent conversation. As for NoMo, she is always a joy to be around. She is good people. Kind, caring, and loving. She just doesn't tolerate fools well.
Thank you, Dana...u seem to be making his head spin:)

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#245 Jan 18, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
The Smurf's of the world practice what is called theocratic warfare. This strategy is to convince people of religions that they are wrong and evil in how they view God. That they should believe like the Smurf's of the world and hold the Smurf's of the world in high regard as God's own new age prophets.
Smurf for example, theocratic warrior. He attacks with lies and than calls those who question his lies liars! He fails to realize that everything posted here on topix stays posted and can be confirmed. Liars can be exposed! Smurf has had his lies pasted to him in quotes and lies that they are lies. Yet other's see what was said was an out right lie.
But repeating the same lies over and over is another strategy of Smurf's theocratic warfare.
Theocratic warfare in action, twisting words to support his personal opinions, the fact that he doesn't believe the Bible is the word of God, the fact that he doesn't believe in the Bible at all yet he'll attack those who do believe in it and indirectly call them evil confused followers of Satan. Than he'll tell them he's had a vision of God's truth and it isn't in the Bible and people should just trust what he claims is true.
Theocratic warfare is the tool used by the desperate to defend the absurd. And absurdities he's full of.
I love your posts sometimes :)

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#246 Jan 18, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
I love your posts sometimes :)
Oh, we can tell.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#247 Jan 18, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
In Mormonism it is called "Lying for the Lord". Here is an example of a Mormon leader telling soon to be missionaries how to do it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =9zA-rZQB-xQXX
You can find a good collection of open examples of this practice at: http://www.mormonwiki.org/Lying_for_the_Lord
I was a member born and raised in Mormonism. I left after 33yrs when I became born again. I now use my knowledge to help others escape the bondage of Mormonism, and to keep Mormons honest. Though like No Surprise here, he thinks if he keeps repeating his lies, he hope they'll become truths someday. As you have seen, he goes off the deep end when people don't push the LDS's church spin on events to justify the perversions of heir prophets and the lies they want us to buy without investigation.
You really need to stop your lies. You were never ever an active Mormon because you liked that church. You're parents were anything but Mormons so you stated pages ago. Why you attended I don't know. I'm going to guess like many Mormons, you went to church because (in youth) you had no choice not to go and (as an immature adult) you went because you felt you had to due to peer pressure probably of family and friends.
But you were most certainly a "Mormon" as you like to claim. You're knowledge of Mormonism is absolutely pathetic. When we began talking you revealed you knew next to nothing of that religion. I made mention of it and that irritated you because I was correct.
You are like other Mormons that come away knowing next to nothing of your religion. Your a "made Mormon". You were made to go to church like so many others of so many other religions.
Because you were made to go you hated learning anything. That reveals why you have shown repeated why you know so little of a religion you boast you were part of for 30 years.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#248 Jan 18, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope, it doesn't ever end. We have a bad habit of believing the truth, and not making excuses for liars, thieves, and sexual perverts. We're funny like that.
lol...absolutely not.
If you really truthfully believed in telling the truth, you would stay away from rumours. And you don't. You live for rumours to show your negative comments are true and factual.
If you really truthfully believed in telling the truth, you would stay away from hearsay evidence. It isn't evidence at all. And you don't. You live for hearsay evidence as you live for rumours to prove your negative comments are true and factual.
If you really truthfully believed in telling the truth, you would be wary of first hand statements that don't accompany factual evidence to prove that statement as undisputed fact. And you're not wary of first hand accounts that don't come with factual evidence to prove their claim. You live for rumours, you live for hearsay, you live for first hand statements without questioning their validity. And then you claim you have a bad habit of believing the truth?
You prove your definition of what is true isn't what the normal definition of truth is. That is true.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#249 Jan 18, 2013
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL
Marcus Bachman has a room ready for u at his clinic. Evergreen obviously made things worse...
...and that comes from the mouth of a good, kind, caring, and loving person... NOT lolol...

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