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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

There are 16101 comments on the news.yahoo.com story from Apr 27, 2009, titled Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?. In it, news.yahoo.com reports that:

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#185 Jan 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
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I'm not responsible for vetting your arguments in a manner you approve of, am I?
You are if you want an honest discussion.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#186 Jan 15, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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You are if you want an honest discussion.
OK.

Polygamists. You'd concede that they exist, I trust.

Continue.
God kills gays

Asheboro, NC

#187 Jan 15, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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So, how do you explain what Jesus said when he said: "For there are eunuchs who were born that way from their mother’s womb;?" This is clearly a person who isn't "castrated or celibate". No one is born "celibate".
Jesus loves gay people. You know how I know? Because he died for them. Just like he died he the reason you would go to hell.
I already explained it your just trying to make Christianity gay. People are born impotent and would automatically be celibate, so you wouldn't need to castrate them. Eunuch doesn't mean gay, stop spreading lies from the pit of hell. Yes god loved gays so much he kills them! No matter how many ways you translate gods word they still burn in hell. Leviticus 20:13

KJV:(King James Version, 1611): If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

LB:(Living Bible, 1971): The penalty for homosexual acts is death to both parties. They have brought it upon themselves.

NIV:(New International Version, 1984): If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

MSG (The Message, 1993): If a man has sex with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is abhorrent. They must be put to death; they are responsible for their own deaths.

NLT:(New Living Translation, 1996): The penalty for homosexual acts is death to both parties. They have committed a detestable act, and are guilty of a capital offense.

NET:(New English Translation, 2005): If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves.

You must be the author of the new piece of trash Queen James Bible. You will burn with the gays! Amen
Dan

Omaha, NE

#188 Jan 15, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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I don't debate coulda, shoulda, woulda. And Jerry Springer is not reality.
Do you really think that people who's moral fiber that would allow them to marry family members are really going to care what the Bible teaches?
You were very happy to ascribe Biblical adherence as a given when discussing homosexuals. I'm sure that not all homosexuals hew to scripture.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#189 Jan 15, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Jesus taught that you should puck your eye out before you allow yourself to lust after a woman who isn't your wife. Are you blind yet?
?

I said that I agreed with your stance on homosexual lust being on the same plane as "straight" lust.

If you want to use the Bible as a fulcrum for your argument, that's fine, but it's not my argument to make on your behalf.

Saying "Jesus taught us to love one another" is certainly true, but it isn't a pallative for the argument about same-sex marriage. It's a slogan.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#190 Jan 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
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?
I said that I agreed with your stance on homosexual lust being on the same plane as "straight" lust.
If you want to use the Bible as a fulcrum for your argument, that's fine, but it's not my argument to make on your behalf.
Saying "Jesus taught us to love one another" is certainly true, but it isn't a pallative for the argument about same-sex marriage. It's a slogan.
To me, the message to "love one another" for the straight person is a message to accept gay people, and to love them as Christ does us. They are our neighbors, and we are to love our neighbors, as ourselves.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#191 Jan 15, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
To me, the message to "love one another" for the straight person is a message to accept gay people, and to love them as Christ does us. They are our neighbors, and we are to love our neighbors, as ourselves.
I agree with this.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#192 Jan 15, 2013
God kills gays wrote:
<quoted text>I already explained it your just trying to make Christianity gay. People are born impotent and would automatically be celibate, so you wouldn't need to castrate them.
I've never heard of or met a person who was born impotent. Show me such a person.

And, even if they were born impotent, it doesn't mean they have to be celibate.
Eunuch doesn't mean gay, stop spreading lies from the pit of hell. Yes god loved gays so much he kills them! No matter how many ways you translate gods word they still burn in hell. Leviticus 20:13
(Edited to give room for a response.)

You must be the author of the new piece of trash Queen James Bible. You will burn with the gays! Amen
Well heck, let's throw in:
21 “You have heard that the ancients were told,‘You shall not commit murder’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.’ 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother,‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says,‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell. 23 Therefore if you are presenting your offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your offering. 25 Make friends quickly with your opponent at law while you are with him on the way, so that your opponent may not hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I say to you, you will not come out of there until you have paid up the last cent.

27 “You have heard that it was said,‘You shall not commit adultery’; 28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.

31 “It was said,‘Whoever sends his wife away, let him give her a certificate of divorce’; 32 but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

33 “Again, you have heard that the ancients were told,‘You shall not make false vows, but shall fulfill your vows to the Lord.’ 34 But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 Nor shall you make an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 But let your statement be,‘Yes, yes’ or ‘No, no’; anything beyond these is of evil.

Looks like if the gays are going to hell, they will have you to keep them company.

You are as guilty of sin as any gay person ever born. You are as filthy in the eyes of the Lord as you declare any gay person. Until you come to that simple understanding of the scriptures, you will also be a foul disgusting excuse for a Christian. There will come a day Jesus will say to you "I know ye not."

If this is the only message that you have gotten after reading the Bible, you certainly have never met Jesus Christ.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#193 Jan 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
OK.
Polygamists. You'd concede that they exist, I trust.
Continue.
Oh, yes. Being a former Mormon, I do know about the polygamous. Polygamy is allowed in the New Testament, but a polygamous isn't allowed to hold any offices in the church.
God kills gays

Lexington, NC

#194 Jan 15, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Blah Blah Blah I got caught in a lie now I'm typing lots of nonsense Blah Blah Blah
19:12 There are some eunuchs. The classes are named who need not marry:(1) Those born physically
incompetent; (2) those made eunuchs by mutilation, once a very common practice in the East, and (3) those who abstain from marriage to devote themselves, free from worldly cares, to Christ's work. Paul was as example.(1Co 7:7,8).

So yes you lied a eunuch is not a gay! No matter how much you want to make gay holy it's not going to happen! What if everyone decided to become gay since God is fine with it? Your a sorry Christian!
Let me guess your going to say paul was a closet homo now? You will surely burn with the gays! God killed gays on the spot before the time of Jesus and Jesus said he did not come to abolish the old law. What you new style homo Christians keep forgetting is Jesus is God in the flesh! Amen

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#195 Jan 15, 2013
God kills gays wrote:
<quoted text>I already explained it your just trying to make Christianity gay. People are born impotent and would automatically be celibate, so you wouldn't need to castrate them. Eunuch doesn't mean gay, stop spreading lies from the pit of hell. Yes god loved gays so much he kills them! No matter how many ways you translate gods word they still burn in hell. Leviticus 20:13
KJV:(King James Version, 1611): If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.
LB:(Living Bible, 1971): The penalty for homosexual acts is death to both parties. They have brought it upon themselves.
NIV:(New International Version, 1984): If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
MSG (The Message, 1993): If a man has sex with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is abhorrent. They must be put to death; they are responsible for their own deaths.
NLT:(New Living Translation, 1996): The penalty for homosexual acts is death to both parties. They have committed a detestable act, and are guilty of a capital offense.
NET:(New English Translation, 2005): If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves.
You must be the author of the new piece of trash Queen James Bible. You will burn with the gays! Amen
Leviticus speaks to Jewish law. Jews had homosexuals but none did it publicly. That was the abomination.

You guys really are going to burn in hell for not following christ's teachings...and his had NO problem with homosexuality.

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#196 Jan 15, 2013
God kills gays wrote:
<quoted text> 19:12 There are some eunuchs. The classes are named who need not marry:(1) Those born physically
incompetent; (2) those made eunuchs by mutilation, once a very common practice in the East, and (3) those who abstain from marriage to devote themselves, free from worldly cares, to Christ's work. Paul was as example.(1Co 7:7,8).
So yes you lied a eunuch is not a gay! No matter how much you want to make gay holy it's not going to happen! What if everyone decided to become gay since God is fine with it? Your a sorry Christian!
Let me guess your going to say paul was a closet homo now? You will surely burn with the gays! God killed gays on the spot before the time of Jesus and Jesus said he did not come to abolish the old law. What you new style homo Christians keep forgetting is Jesus is God in the flesh! Amen
Soddom and Gomorrah were about not treating strangers correctly. I had NOTHING to do with homosexuality NOR did God say homosexuality was wrong. It was an observation on public displays of affection which was NOT done by Jewish gays. Try educating yourself on the history of the Jews before claiming yourself a Christian by quoting the OT.

Where did CHRIST say homosexuality was wrong?

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#197 Jan 15, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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Soddom and Gomorrah were about not treating strangers correctly. I had NOTHING to do with homosexuality NOR did God say homosexuality was wrong. It was an observation on public displays of affection which was NOT done by Jewish gays. Try educating yourself on the history of the Jews before claiming yourself a Christian by quoting the OT.
Where did CHRIST say homosexuality was wrong?
Right - so many people mistakenly believe the destruction was due to homosexuality - it was not.

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#198 Jan 15, 2013
Sherlayne wrote:
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Right - so many people mistakenly believe the destruction was due to homosexuality - it was not.
Never has been until the born again evangelical movement started in themid 1970's so the republican party could resurrect Christian REconstructionism, create wedge issues like abortion and homosexuality, and get the "flock" to vote republicans, making themselves poorer and the rich richer.
God kills gays

West Columbia, SC

#199 Jan 15, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
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Leviticus speaks to Jewish law. Jews had homosexuals but none did it publicly. That was the abomination.
You guys really are going to burn in hell for not following christ's teachings...and his had NO problem with homosexuality.
Man lie with man = death. Simple! Your opinion is man lie with man in private fine! Man lie with woman public fine! Man lie with man in public = death! That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard! You see I'm going to heaven and there won't be any gays there, they will burn with all the new age fake pro homo Christians! Thank God there are no gays at my church because I wouldn't want it struck by lightning! I listen to no man or woman twisted version of Christianity. I only need my Bible and God. If I need help with Scripture I ask God! He often answers instantly but sometimes its the next day or next month but he always answers! He has even awaken me at night with an answer or answered it in my dreams. So I don't need your flawed view of God when I have the real God! Amen

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#200 Jan 15, 2013
God kills gays wrote:
<quoted text> 19:12 There are some eunuchs. The classes are named who need not marry:(1) Those born physically
incompetent;
"physically incompetent?" Clarify that.
(2) those made eunuchs by mutilation, once a very common practice in the East, and (3) those who abstain from marriage to devote themselves, free from worldly cares, to Christ's work. Paul was as example.(1Co 7:7,8).
So yes you lied a eunuch is not a gay! No matter how much you want to make gay holy it's not going to happen! What if everyone decided to become gay since God is fine with it? Your a sorry Christian!
Again, we see what your problem is. You think people decide to become gay. Unless you are speaking yourself, you are ignorant about the nature of human sexuality. No one decides they are gay. Just as no one decides they are straight. I know because I have seen some mislead gay people try to "decide" to be straight. It didn't work, and if a person is truly gay, it will never work. It's like a dog deciding that they are a cat. They can try, but God, or mother nature if you're a non-believer, created them dogs. It's not going to happen. But if you want to prove me wrong by having sex with a man, tell me how it goes.
Let me guess your going to say paul was a closet homo now? You will surely burn with the gays! God killed gays on the spot before the time of Jesus and Jesus said he did not come to abolish the old law. What you new style homo Christians keep forgetting is Jesus is God in the flesh! Amen
I haven't said anything about the sexuality of Paul, and don't care, Jesus loves his gay children as much as he does any human being, and you are no better in the eyes of God then any homosexual you are passing judgment on here. That is my message.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#201 Jan 15, 2013
*misleaded.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#202 Jan 15, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, yes. Being a former Mormon, I do know about the polygamous. Polygamy is allowed in the New Testament, but a polygamous isn't allowed to hold any offices in the church.
Idk, I've been hearing local rumors for years that Orin Hatch is a polygamist.

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#203 Jan 15, 2013
God kills gays wrote:
<quoted text>Man lie with man = death. Simple! Your opinion is man lie with man in private fine! Man lie with woman public fine! Man lie with man in public = death! That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard! You see I'm going to heaven and there won't be any gays there, they will burn with all the new age fake pro homo Christians! Thank God there are no gays at my church because I wouldn't want it struck by lightning! I listen to no man or woman twisted version of Christianity. I only need my Bible and God. If I need help with Scripture I ask God! He often answers instantly but sometimes its the next day or next month but he always answers! He has even awaken me at night with an answer or answered it in my dreams. So I don't need your flawed view of God when I have the real God! Amen
Jewish law NOT God's word.

Where does Jesus condemn homosexuality?

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#209 Jan 16, 2013
NoMo wrote:
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Idk, I've been hearing local rumors for years that Orin Hatch is a polygamist.
I don't know anything about that, but he sure is the lap dog of the LDS church. They say fetch, and he runs.

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