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“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#1 Dec 4, 2012
NFL team 'counselled' Jovan Belcher before murder-suicide

A picture is emerging of the volatile relationship of an NFL player who shot dead his girlfriend before taking his own life at the weekend.

The Kansas City Chiefs had provided counselling for Jovan Belcher, 25, and Kasandra Perkins, 22, the mother of his child, said a police official.

The couple are said to have had financial and relationship issues.

Linebacker Belcher shot Perkins on Saturday, before killing himself in the Missouri team's stadium car park.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-205...

Why do people do this?

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#2 Dec 4, 2012
Seentheotherside wrote:
NFL team 'counselled' Jovan Belcher before murder-suicide
A picture is emerging of the volatile relationship of an NFL player who shot dead his girlfriend before taking his own life at the weekend.
The Kansas City Chiefs had provided counselling for Jovan Belcher, 25, and Kasandra Perkins, 22, the mother of his child, said a police official.
The couple are said to have had financial and relationship issues.
Linebacker Belcher shot Perkins on Saturday, before killing himself in the Missouri team's stadium car park.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-205...
Why do people do this?
The biggest travesty is that for the most part, no one in the media mentioned the "victim"...his ex-girlfriend...
Sola Scriptura

Beckley, WV

#3 Dec 4, 2012
Seentheotherside wrote:
NFL team 'counselled' Jovan Belcher before murder-suicide
A picture is emerging of the volatile relationship of an NFL player who shot dead his girlfriend before taking his own life at the weekend.
The Kansas City Chiefs had provided counselling for Jovan Belcher, 25, and Kasandra Perkins, 22, the mother of his child, said a police official.
The couple are said to have had financial and relationship issues.
Linebacker Belcher shot Perkins on Saturday, before killing himself in the Missouri team's stadium car park.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-205...
Why do people do this?
You, the spiritual master should know this. It's the age old battle of satan against God. Satan wins here.
Sola Scriptura

Beckley, WV

#4 Dec 4, 2012
NDanger wrote:
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The biggest travesty is that for the most part, no one in the media mentioned the "victim"...his ex-girlfriend...
Professional football? Mega bucks float around like champagne.

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#5 Dec 5, 2012
Doesn't anyone have any insight to offer besides mythology?

Since: Sep 08

Anderson, IN

#6 Dec 5, 2012
Doesn't really talk about the "counseling". What do you think it means?

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#8 Dec 5, 2012
NDanger wrote:
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The biggest travesty is that for the most part, no one in the media mentioned the "victim"...his ex-girlfriend...
But that is the point I'm trying to make. This happens a lot. So why cannot people just walk away without resorting to taking away someone's life, then sometimes taking their own life or trying to cover up the murder?

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#9 Dec 5, 2012
Sola Scriptura wrote:
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You, the spiritual master should know this. It's the age old battle of satan against God. Satan wins here.
I'm sure the voices in your head tells you it's the result of two identically evil imaginary "deities", but it is not.
Sola Scriptura

Beckley, WV

#11 Dec 5, 2012
Seentheotherside wrote:
Doesn't anyone have any insight to offer besides mythology?
So, you admit you are just a deluded run of the mill atheist?. Thanks.

He was a violent womanizer. It had been manifest before in his past. But this liberal culture of making excuses and passing the buck maybe kept him from being locked up before and MAYBE could have kept this from happening.

But todays society of blaming anyone but yourself is rampant. No one is held accountable for their actions any more and look elsewhere to lay the blame.

Welcome to the world of the liberal sissies.
Sola Scriptura

Beckley, WV

#12 Dec 5, 2012
Seentheotherside wrote:
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I'm sure the voices in your head tells you it's the result of two identically evil imaginary "deities", but it is not.
Again, now you are calling God imaginary. Your true colors shining through? You can't make sense of this because you deny the answer. Good and Evil DO exist. Whether your shriveled up brain comprehends that or not.

MAN can't explain it. All man can do is wring their hands and wonder why these little "darlings" are killing each other. The remedy Is God but man is too prideful and arrogant to accept the medicine He offers. So man will just keep wondering how to correct it while people like this guy keep killing and destroying themselves and anyone around them.

“Jesus=only way into Heaven”

Since: Nov 12

saved by grace through faith

#13 Dec 5, 2012
Seentheotherside wrote:
Doesn't anyone have any insight to offer besides mythology?
You come to a Christian forum and then get mad when Christians post.

Psalm 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Sola Scriptura

Beckley, WV

#16 Dec 5, 2012
The Vortex wrote:
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So are you saying that this guy was an atheist, and that is why he killed her, then himself?
Only an atheist would come up with a hare brained reply like this.
Sola Scriptura

Beckley, WV

#17 Dec 5, 2012
The Vortex wrote:
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Got any real insightful answers instead of your inane mythology?
Do YOU? Just tell us, oh enlightened one, what drove this man, who looked like he had it all, to do such a thing?

Was he socially deprived.? Was he "misunderstood" and decided to commit murder AND suicide? Was it really "not his fault?"
Job

Carmichael, CA

#19 Dec 5, 2012
Generally speaking, someone who takes another's life before their own is probably not concerned with an "after-life" judgment. If one takes their life, they are free from the judgment of man, so what what they do prior to taking their own life they are free from 'earthly' consequences.

Of course the problem to this is, the assumption that there's no God to answer to 'afterwards'.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#20 Dec 5, 2012
Job wrote:
Generally speaking, someone who takes another's life before their own is probably not concerned with an "after-life" judgment. If one takes their life, they are free from the judgment of man, so what what they do prior to taking their own life they are free from 'earthly' consequences.
Of course the problem to this is, the assumption that there's no God to answer to 'afterwards'.
DO you think someone who does this is thinking clearly and rationally at all?

And that if it wasn't outright mental illness, it was certainly temporary psychosis?

What do human laws decree when someone who is insane, even temporarily, commits murder?

Is your God less compassionate than human law?
Job

Benicia, CA

#21 Dec 5, 2012
Gillette wrote:
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DO you think someone who does this is thinking clearly and rationally at all?
And that if it wasn't outright mental illness, it was certainly temporary psychosis?
What do human laws decree when someone who is insane, even temporarily, commits murder?
Is your God less compassionate than human law?
No. I would also add that my God knows far more of the mental condition of each individual in these situations.

Do you think 'every' situation like this involves mental illness or psychosis? If this were so, we wouldn't need a court and psychologists/psychiatrists to make evaluations to determine post-trial outcome.

What I'm saying is that if someone is 'vindictive' enough, and does not believe in a post-life judgment, or at least willing to gamble, if they take someone(s) out who they hold something against they at least may have a sense of satisfaction during that brief time before they take their own life.

There are probably people who if possible would take the entire world out. As far as their mental condition, as I said God knows far more than we do.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#22 Dec 5, 2012
Job wrote:
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As far as their mental condition, as I said God knows far more than we do.
I guess that is my point. Probably better to let GOD do the judging here, rather than mutter darkly about people waking up on the other side and realizing there is a vengeful God to whom they must answer for this murder/suicide. etc.
Job

Benicia, CA

#23 Dec 5, 2012
Gillette wrote:
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I guess that is my point. Probably better to let GOD do the judging here, rather than mutter darkly about people waking up on the other side and realizing there is a vengeful God to whom they must answer for this murder/suicide. etc.
Yes I understand what you mean Gillette. However the OP posed the question in a 'general' sense as opposed to this specific situation. I was pointing out that 'generally' speaking, one or another, there is a lack of concern, or 'thought', to an afterlife judgment in these cases. If there was 'complete' concern, along with a right state of mind, the crimes would more than likely not be committed.

And I also am familiar with your basic view of an afterlife judgment. I know that your "let God judge" is not based on an 'unbiased' viewpoint. Your rendition of a judgment is that of a review of one's life in order to become renewed after a period of remorse. If however God does 'not' judge that way, then I don't think you're quite as 'open' to His judgments as you seem to imply.

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#24 Dec 5, 2012
Seentheotherside wrote:
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But that is the point I'm trying to make. This happens a lot. So why cannot people just walk away without resorting to taking away someone's life, then sometimes taking their own life or trying to cover up the murder?
Probably because "someone else" is always to fault...

“Life Force One”

Since: Jul 07

The Spiritual Universe

#25 Dec 5, 2012
NDanger wrote:
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Probably because "someone else" is always to fault...
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