Stealing the Keys to Heaven

[15th Dalai Lama]

Cookie_Parker wrote:

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Anyone else get the idea this godcomplex sock is really here for only one reason? To troll?

Quite so. Very reminiscent of the ten jillion blessings troll, just here to trash the forum with breathtaking inanity.

[15th Dalai Lama]

He is Coming Soon wrote:

<quoted text>Good to see the voice of reason and understanding on this thread.

A BIG AMEN ???

I've researched this question for several days now and it's true: butt smooching is a doctrinal position of the sola scriptura religion.

[He is Coming Soon]

He is Coming Soon wrote:

<quoted text>Haven't you said you don't believe the entire Bible? So, why ask for Scriptural reference. You will discount and disregard it anyway.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." - II Tim 3:16-17. ALL scripture - not just what you and the Catholic Church chooses to believe.

[He is Coming Soon]

15th Dalai Lama wrote:

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A BIG AMEN ???
I've researched this question for several days now and it's true: butt smooching is a doctrinal position of the sola scriptura religion.

Better than smooching the hand of the antichrist sitting on his throne in Rome.

[He is Coming Soon]

15th Dalai Lama wrote:

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I never said I don't believe the entire Bible. I have said I find it best to assume the entire Bible is symbolic and you should search out the theology. If you can't discover the theology you should see what the smart people have to say. If the smart people have nothing to say about symbolism nor the underlying philosophy then faith kicks in.
Here's a heads up. I can back my claims with facts. You floated some made up shít about the Bible and hoped it would fly but it didn't and wouldn't. That's why I asked for a scriptural reference.

I provided all the facts here: www.scribd.com/doc/99734260 ...

[15th Dalai Lama]

He is Coming Soon wrote:

<quoted text>Better than smooching the hand of the antichrist sitting on his throne in Rome.

When in Rome do as the Romans.

It is not out of character for me to kiss a lady's hand. I bet Nettiebelle would think that's hot. She is a gentile Southren Belle after all.

[par five]

He is Coming Soon wrote:

<quoted text>He found it. The blood of Jesus Christ. The ONLY thing that will wash away your sins and justify you before God.:) www.scribd.com/doc/31322017 ...

Look, if you and that other crazy threedollarbill get off on washing in blood then go ahead, knock yourself out, whatever floats your boat as they say, but count me out, yuk! I prefer good old fashioned h2o and a shower gel. Works for me and I would imagine a lot less messy!

[Nettiebelle]

He is Coming Soon wrote:

<quoted text>Oh, so it is a "have it your way" religion. Thanks for confirming that.

Not at all.
It is just not 'your' way.
lol

There is no conflict between the work of exegetes, scholars, and believers in exploring the meaning of Scripture, on the one hand, and the work of the magisterium in authentically defining the meaning of Scripture, on the other hand. Exegetes and believers must not pit their private judgment against the mind of the Church or treat their methods as the ultimate arbiters of what Scripture can or cannot mean (this is what is meant by "private interpretation"). But that doesn't mean that ordinary Catholics and Scripture scholars cannot use their intellects to probe the meaning of Scripture. Indeed, Scripture is so rich that even when a given passage has been connected authoritatively with a certain doctrine, that does not remove that passage from the sphere of scientific or devotional inquiry. We can interpret and explore Scripture, just not in a way that contradicts what has been defined concerning it.

There is an interrelationship between the work of exegetes and believers and the work of the magisterium. It is the magisterium's task to be the ultimate arbiter of whether or not a given theological idea belongs to the Catholic faith. But where does the theological idea come from in the first place? Who thinks of it, formulates it, develops it, expresses it? Bishops, yes, but also priests, saints, scholars, even ordinary believers. All of us, bringing our spiritual and critical faculties to the sources of faith (Scripture and Tradition) in a spirit of humility and docility to the teaching authority of the Church, may explore the meaning of divine revelation for ourselves.

Any interpretation we arrive at must not contradict what has already been defined as Catholic truth. That is why God gave the Church the power of defining things-to keep us from going wrong. We must be willing to submit our interpretations to the final judgment of the magisterium. But it would be a mistake to think that we are limited to parroting what the magisterium already has defined. That would be a recipe for crippling the ongoing development of doctrine that continually enriches our faith and unfolds the glories of that which was once for all delivered to the saints.
http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/does-t...

Catholics just don't nitpick about randomly selected scripture!
The whole message from the Bible is what is important!

[Nettiebelle]

He is Coming Soon wrote:

<quoted text>"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." - II Tim 3:16-17. ALL scripture - not just what you and the Catholic Church chooses to believe.

'profitable' means useful, but this is not limited to scripture. In that same book, emphasis is placed on the importance of Sacred Tradition/what you have been taught..meaning orally.

[He is Coming Soon]

Nettiebelle wrote:

<quoted text>'profitable' means useful, but this is not limited to scripture. In that same book, emphasis is placed on the importance of Sacred Tradition/what you have been taught..meaning orally.

Ever play the game "Telephone" as a kid? Notice how the message was dramatically changed by the time it was repeated by the last one in line? Oral tradition is never accurate. That's why God in His infinite wisdom put His will into writing. That way, we can recognize those that are not of Him. I trust what the original apostles, who had firsthand contact with Jesus, put down in writing. I stay away from those within Catholicism that directly disobey and contradict them.

[He is Coming Soon]

Nettiebelle wrote:

<quoted text>Not at all.
It is just not 'your' way.
lol
There is no conflict between the work of exegetes, scholars, and believers in exploring the meaning of Scripture, on the one hand, and the work of the magisterium in authentically defining the meaning of Scripture, on the other hand. Exegetes and believers must not pit their private judgment against the mind of the Church or treat their methods as the ultimate arbiters of what Scripture can or cannot mean (this is what is meant by "private interpretation"). But that doesn't mean that ordinary Catholics and Scripture scholars cannot use their intellects to probe the meaning of Scripture. Indeed, Scripture is so rich that even when a given passage has been connected authoritatively with a certain doctrine, that does not remove that passage from the sphere of scientific or devotional inquiry. We can interpret and explore Scripture, just not in a way that contradicts what has been defined concerning it.
There is an interrelationship between the work of exegetes and believers and the work of the magisterium. It is the magisterium's task to be the ultimate arbiter of whether or not a given theological idea belongs to the Catholic faith. But where does the theological idea come from in the first place? Who thinks of it, formulates it, develops it, expresses it? Bishops, yes, but also priests, saints, scholars, even ordinary believers. All of us, bringing our spiritual and critical faculties to the sources of faith (Scripture and Tradition) in a spirit of humility and docility to the teaching authority of the Church, may explore the meaning of divine revelation for ourselves.
Any interpretation we arrive at must not contradict what has already been defined as Catholic truth. That is why God gave the Church the power of defining things-to keep us from going wrong. We must be willing to submit our interpretations to the final judgment of the magisterium. But it would be a mistake to think that we are limited to parroting what the magisterium already has defined. That would be a recipe for crippling the ongoing development of doctrine that continually enriches our faith and unfolds the glories of that which was once for all delivered to the saints.
http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/does-t...
Catholics just don't nitpick about randomly selected scripture!
The whole message from the Bible is what is important!

The "whole message," plus any other manmade books, doctrines and practices not sanctioned by God. For instance, the Apochrypha/Septuagint was declared canon by the RCC. yet, it sanctions suicide, assassination, a woman's sin is worse than the same one committed by a man, etc. How is it you lie to yourself and trust such blasphemy?

[Nettiebelle]

He is Coming Soon wrote:

<quoted text>Ever play the game "Telephone" as a kid? Notice how the message was dramatically changed by the time it was repeated by the last one in line? Oral tradition is never accurate. That's why God in His infinite wisdom put His will into writing. That way, we can recognize those that are not of Him. I trust what the original apostles, who had firsthand contact with Jesus, put down in writing. I stay away from those within Catholicism that directly disobey and contradict them.

The only reason oral teachings were written down, or at least most of them, is simply because it was realized that Jesus was not coming back during their lifetime, so these oral teachings were written down for the present believers and future believers.
Oral teaching was always, up to that point, never questioned. Jesus never said to write down His teachings; He told the Apostles to go and preach (orally) to the world.
Did you ever notice the changes/differences within different Bibles?
Seems that some things are no longer recognized the way they were first written down..........

[He is Coming Soon]

par five wrote:

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Look, if you and that other crazy threedollarbill get off on washing in blood then go ahead, knock yourself out, whatever floats your boat as they say, but count me out, yuk! I prefer good old fashioned h2o and a shower gel. Works for me and I would imagine a lot less messy!

Not afraid of water either ")

[Nettiebelle]

He is Coming Soon wrote:

<quoted text>Ever play the game "Telephone" as a kid? Notice how the message was dramatically changed by the time it was repeated by the last one in line? Oral tradition is never accurate. That's why God in His infinite wisdom put His will into writing. That way, we can recognize those that are not of Him. I trust what the original apostles, who had firsthand contact with Jesus, put down in writing. I stay away from those within Catholicism that directly disobey and contradict them.

Who says it was just the Apostles who wrote scripture?
lol

[Jazybird58]

He is Coming Soon wrote:

<quoted text>"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." - II Tim 3:16-17. ALL scripture - not just what you and the Catholic Church chooses to believe.

If that statement where added to say,Little red riddinghood , would that make it factual?

[Jazybird58]

He is Coming Soon wrote:

<quoted text>Ever play the game "Telephone" as a kid? Notice how the message was dramatically changed by the time it was repeated by the last one in line? Oral tradition is never accurate. That's why God in His infinite wisdom put His will into writing. That way, we can recognize those that are not of Him. I trust what the original apostles, who had firsthand contact with Jesus, put down in writing. I stay away from those within Catholicism that directly disobey and contradict them.

HUH, lets see the original text in the bible was in Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic. Golly its been basterdised so flippin many times how can you even say what you read is from the original text? Just look at all the verrious printings from the KJV1611 to the current versions with pop up pictures

[He is Coming Soon]

Boy Scouts of America is going to vote on lifting ban for gay scout leaders today. Over in Illinois, they are going to vote on whether to legalize gay marriage on Valentine's Day! And people wonder why the Lord is coming to "judge and make war" upon this planet??!!

[Nettiebelle]

He is Coming Soon wrote:

<quoted text>"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." - II Tim 3:16-17. ALL scripture - not just what you and the Catholic Church chooses to believe.

Hon, ALL of the written books floating around at that time did NOT make it into the New Testament.

[Nettiebelle]

He is Coming Soon wrote:

Boy Scouts of America is going to vote on lifting ban for gay scout leaders today. Over in Illinois, they are going to vote on whether to legalize gay marriage on Valentine's Day! And people wonder why the Lord is coming to "judge and make war" upon this planet??!!

This is because God loves all people, not just the people you love.

[Nettiebelle]

He is Coming Soon wrote:

<quoted text>The "whole message," plus any other manmade books, doctrines and practices not sanctioned by God. For instance, the Apochrypha/Septuagint was declared canon by the RCC. yet, it sanctions suicide, assassination, a woman's sin is worse than the same one committed by a man, etc. How is it you lie to yourself and trust such blasphemy?

Guess you think it is 'okay' for those barbaric killings including bashing babies heads against rocks cause it was done 'in the name of God', then, huh?
While knowing fully that is not God's doings at all.