Two Questions for Atheists/Evolutionists
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#1598 Sep 22, 2013
Punisher wrote:
<quoted text>Followerofchrist translates to follower of the lights in front of me...till another attracts me...
lol is what he does for us...makes us lol...sometimes even LOL...
I have been following this same "light" for 40 years, Friend; that hardly seems as fickle as your statement would suggest!
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#1599 Sep 22, 2013
ILUVSATAN wrote:
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Do you want a list of all the nics I have used?....that's your criteria for laziness?..bwhahahhahahahhahah ah....you must be a real mental giant....
Even if you've copied hundreds of other people's nics, that still shows either a total lack of creativity or laziness!
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#1600 Sep 22, 2013
feces for jesus wrote:
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Your awful link doesn't even discuss or show the etymology or history of the word Hel/hell, Hades or Sheol. It's total garbage.
Objective study requires that you investigate something with an open mind instead of trying to interpret things through your narrow minded, biblical world view.
That link is an answers link, not an in-depth exegetical source. And you should take a look in the mirror while you preach to me about an open-minded investigation, yours being conducted without interpreting things through YOUR narrow minded, secular world view. But then again, your nic shows what kind of open mindedness your capable of!

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#1601 Sep 22, 2013
lol wrote:
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Go ahead and do your good deeds and make you tamales for the congregation. As long as you keep thumbing your nose at the Word of God you are hellbound. It's that simple. I'm not judging you, you have judged yourself with your arrogant, holier than thou posts.
What gets me is how mush of an out and out fake you are but keep pretending to be a Catholic.
I'm thumbing my nose at you, ya ignorant clodhopper. Know the difference.

I went to Mass twice today.

God bless you.
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#1602 Sep 22, 2013
conducted by interpreting things....
and
you're

oops!
dustybook

South San Francisco, CA

#1603 Sep 22, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
I tried this in another thread and it went nowhere because they who tried could not answer this with reason and logic, so I am trying again on its own thread--answer the following two questions without throwing out links, ad hominem attacks, or other fallacious arguments (I have changed the questions some):
1. What EXACTLY caused the universe to exist?
2. How EXACTLY did sexual reproduction come into existence?
i have a couple more.
3. If macroevolution is true ( which there is no evidence to suggest it is) wouldn't species still be developing into other species today? Wouldn't humans be evolving into some other form if it was true?
4. Where did the energy for this supposed big bang originate from? And i suppose you're going to say where did God originate from huh? Well God has always been around. As in forever. Was this energy supposedly around forever too?

5. You do know that in the book of Daniel: Daniel has a dream which foretold the fall of Greece and Rome- Centuries before it happened right?
TheCapedCrusader

Montréal, Canada

#1604 Sep 23, 2013
dustybook wrote:
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3. If macroevolution is true ( which there is no evidence to suggest it is)
Only fundie nutjobs like you split evolution into "macro" and "micro". In actuality there is just evolution, which can be observed both in the laboratory and in nature.
dustybook wrote:
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wouldn't species still be developing into other species today? Wouldn't humans be evolving into some other form if it was true?
Evolution has not stopped. It is still taking place for every living thing.
dustybook wrote:
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4. Where did the energy for this supposed big bang originate from?
We know the Big Bang took place. There is evidence. As for the energy which drove it, there is some reading here.

http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/bb_whatpo...
dustybook wrote:
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And i suppose you're going to say where did God originate from huh?
Actually, no. God originated in the minds of superstitious people as a means of explaining the world around them.
dustybook wrote:
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Well God has always been around.
Yes, people have always worshipped deities of some sort.

www.godchecker.com

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#1605 Sep 23, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Even if you've copied hundreds of other people's nics, that still shows either a total lack of creativity or laziness!
More likely both...

NDanger

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#1606 Sep 23, 2013
TheCapedCrusader wrote:
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Only fundie nutjobs like you split evolution into "macro" and "micro". In actuality there is just evolution, which can be observed both in the laboratory and in nature.
<quoted text>
Evolution has not stopped. It is still taking place for every living thing.
<quoted text>
We know the Big Bang took place. There is evidence. As for the energy which drove it, there is some reading here.
http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/seuforum/bb_whatpo...
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Actually, no. God originated in the minds of superstitious people as a means of explaining the world around them.
<quoted text>
Yes, people have always worshipped deities of some sort.
www.godchecker.com
Actually, there are 6 types of which only micro has been 'observed'...

Cosmic evolution: the origin of time, space, and matter from nothing in the “big bang”
Chemical evolution: all elements “evolved” from hydrogen
Stellar evolution: stars and planets formed from gas clouds
Organic evolution: life begins from inanimate matter
Macro-evolution: animals and plants change from one type into another
Micro-evolution: variations form within the “kind”
TheCapedCrusader

Montréal, Canada

#1607 Sep 23, 2013
NDanger wrote:
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Actually, there are 6 types of which only micro has been 'observed'...
Cosmic evolution: the origin of time, space, and matter from nothing in the “big bang”
Chemical evolution: all elements “evolved” from hydrogen
Stellar evolution: stars and planets formed from gas clouds
Organic evolution: life begins from inanimate matter
Macro-evolution: animals and plants change from one type into another
Micro-evolution: variations form within the “kind”
"Biological evolution, simply put, is descent with modification. This definition encompasses small-scale evolution (changes in gene frequency in a population from one generation to the next) and large-scale evolution (the descent of different species from a common ancestor over many generations). Evolution helps us to understand the history of life."

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/...
lol

Welch, WV

#1608 Sep 23, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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I'm thumbing my nose at you, ya ignorant clodhopper. Know the difference.
I went to Mass twice today.
God bless you.
If I point out to you the Word of God then you are thumbing your nose at God.

Unlike You, I rely upon the Holy Spirit for interpretation of the Word, not your dead Catholic "fathers" and the present pope who is getting ready to let gays preach in the CC. But they have been for years. You can go to Mass five times a day, it won't save you.
lol

Welch, WV

#1609 Sep 23, 2013
TheCapedCrusader wrote:
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"Biological evolution, simply put, is descent with modification. This definition encompasses small-scale evolution (changes in gene frequency in a population from one generation to the next) and large-scale evolution (the descent of different species from a common ancestor over many generations). Evolution helps us to understand the history of life."
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/...
http://www.conservapedia.com/Evolution

The theory of evolution is a naturalistic theory of the history of life on earth (this refers to the theory of evolution which employs methodological naturalism and is taught in schools and universities). Merriam-Webster's dictionary gives the following definition of evolution: "a theory that the various types of animals and plants have their origin in other preexisting types and that the distinguishable differences are due to modifications in successive generations..."[2] Currently, there are several theories of evolution.
TheCapedCrusader

Montréal, Canada

#1610 Sep 23, 2013
lol wrote:
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http://www.conservapedia.com/Evolution
The theory of evolution is a naturalistic theory of the history of life on earth (this refers to the theory of evolution which employs methodological naturalism and is taught in schools and universities).
The scientific theory of evolution explains the fact of evolution. The same as the scientific theory of gravity explains the fact of gravity.

"As used in science, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena.

Any scientific theory must be based on a careful and rational examination of the facts. A clear distinction needs to be made between facts (things which can be observed and/or measured) and theories (explanations which correlate and interpret the facts.

A fact is something that is supported by unmistakeable evidence. For example, the Grand Canyon cuts through layers of different kinds of rock, such as the Coconino sandstone, Hermit shale, and Redwall limestone. These rock layers often contain fossils that are found only in certain layers. Those are the facts.

It is a fact is that fossil skulls have been found that are intermediate in appearance between humans and modern apes. It is a fact that fossils have been found that are clearly intermediate in appearance between dinosaurs and birds.

Facts may be interpreted in different ways by different individuals, but that doesn't change the facts themselves.

Theories may be good, bad, or indifferent. They may be well established by the factual evidence, or they may lack credibility. Before a theory is given any credence in the scientific community, it must be subjected to "peer review." This means that the proposed theory must be published in a legitimate scientific journal in order to provide the opportunity for other scientists to evaluate the relevant factual information and publish their conclusions.

Creationists refuse to subject their "theories" to peer reviews, because they know they don't fit the facts. The creationist mindset is distorted by the concept of "good science" (creationism) vs. "bad science" (anything not in agreement with creationism). Creation "scientists" are biblical fundamentalists who can not accept anything contrary to their sectarian religioius beliefs."

http://www.fsteiger.com/theory.html
lol wrote:
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Merriam-Webster's dictionary gives the following definition of evolution: "a theory that the various types of animals and plants have their origin in other preexisting types and that the distinguishable differences are due to modifications in successive generations...
As I posted, descent with modification.
lol wrote:
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"[2] Currently, there are several theories of evolution.
No.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/evolut...

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#1611 Sep 23, 2013
lol wrote:
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http://www.conservapedia.com/Evolution
The theory of evolution is a naturalistic theory of the history of life on earth (this refers to the theory of evolution which employs methodological naturalism and is taught in schools and universities). Merriam-Webster's dictionary gives the following definition of evolution: "a theory that the various types of animals and plants have their origin in other preexisting types and that the distinguishable differences are due to modifications in successive generations..."[2] Currently, there are several theories of evolution.
Conservapedia citing the Institute for Creation Research citing a non-existent study does not meet commonly held standards of reliability but it does meet yours. Doesn't it? Pull whatever you want to hear out of their butts and you'll believe it and they know it.

God bless you.
lol

Welch, WV

#1612 Sep 23, 2013
TheCapedCrusader wrote:
http://www.fsteiger.com/theory.html
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As I posted, descent with modification.
<quoted text>
No.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/evolut...
Lamarckism:

It is the first theory of evolution proposed by Jean Baptiste de Lamarck (1744-1829) in 1801 and 1809 (in book Philosophic Zoologique) which proposes that organisms undergo changes for adapting themselves to environment and the characters thus acquired are passed on to the next generation. Lamarckism is popularly called 'theory of inheritance of acquired characters'.

Neo-Lamarckism:

It is an attempted revival of Lamarckism by modifying it and finding evidences for direct effect of environment on germ cells and the effect of somatic cells on germ cells.

Theory of Germplasm:

The theory of germplasm (Weismann, 1892) states that inheritance of characters from parents to offspring is mediated through germplasm which continues generation after generation-hence "THEORY OF CONTINUITY OF GERMPLASM". The theory is not completely true because somatoplasm can give rise to germplasm as during regeneration and culture experiments because all cells contain the same sets of chromosomes/genes whether they are somatic or germinal.

Darwinism/Theory of Natural Selection:

Darwinism or theory of natural selection is a theory of organic evolution which states that new species evolve over a long period of time through accumulation of small variations which provide the organisms with structural and functional sperioritv over other in their survival and differential reproduction.

Neo-Darwinism:

It is a refinement of original theory of natural selection of remove objections. Mutation Theory

It was given by Hugo de Vries in 1902 in his book Species and Varieties their origin by mutation. He studied the inheritance for seven generations, in Evening Primose (Oenothera lamarckiana). He found that most of the offspring resembled parents but a few variants were not connected with the normal characters by any intermediate form.

The modifica­tions were, therefore, called DISCONTINUOUS variations or sports or mutations. They were inherited. The variants, therefore, produced variants and not normal plant's. Rather a few variants also developed more variations.

Mutation theory successfully explains progressive and retrogressive evolution, continuation of vestigial and overspecialized organs, struggle for existence and survival of the fittest along with inheritance of useful mutations and formation of new species. A number of mutations have produced new verities, subspecies and even species.
TheCapedCrusader

Montréal, Canada

#1613 Sep 23, 2013
lol wrote:
<quoted text>
Lamarckism:
It is the first theory of evolution proposed by Jean Baptiste de Lamarck (1744-1829) in 1801 and 1809 (in book Philosophic Zoologique) which proposes that organisms undergo changes for adapting themselves to environment and the characters thus acquired are passed on to the next generation. Lamarckism is popularly called 'theory of inheritance of acquired characters'.
Neo-Lamarckism:
It is an attempted revival of Lamarckism by modifying it and finding evidences for direct effect of environment on germ cells and the effect of somatic cells on germ cells.
Theory of Germplasm:
The theory of germplasm (Weismann, 1892) states that inheritance of characters from parents to offspring is mediated through germplasm which continues generation after generation-hence "THEORY OF CONTINUITY OF GERMPLASM". The theory is not completely true because somatoplasm can give rise to germplasm as during regeneration and culture experiments because all cells contain the same sets of chromosomes/genes whether they are somatic or germinal.
Darwinism/Theory of Natural Selection:
Darwinism or theory of natural selection is a theory of organic evolution which states that new species evolve over a long period of time through accumulation of small variations which provide the organisms with structural and functional sperioritv over other in their survival and differential reproduction.
Neo-Darwinism:
It is a refinement of original theory of natural selection of remove objections. Mutation Theory
It was given by Hugo de Vries in 1902 in his book Species and Varieties their origin by mutation. He studied the inheritance for seven generations, in Evening Primose (Oenothera lamarckiana). He found that most of the offspring resembled parents but a few variants were not connected with the normal characters by any intermediate form.
The modifica­tions were, therefore, called DISCONTINUOUS variations or sports or mutations. They were inherited. The variants, therefore, produced variants and not normal plant's. Rather a few variants also developed more variations.
Mutation theory successfully explains progressive and retrogressive evolution, continuation of vestigial and overspecialized organs, struggle for existence and survival of the fittest along with inheritance of useful mutations and formation of new species. A number of mutations have produced new verities, subspecies and even species.
"Biological evolution, simply put, is descent with modification. This definition encompasses small-scale evolution (changes in gene frequency in a population from one generation to the next) and large-scale evolution (the descent of different species from a common ancestor over many generations). Evolution helps us to understand the history of life."

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/...

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#1614 Sep 23, 2013
lol wrote:
<quoted text>
If I point out to you the Word of God then you are thumbing your nose at God.
Unlike You, I rely upon the Holy Spirit for interpretation of the Word, not your dead Catholic "fathers" and the present pope who is getting ready to let gays preach in the CC. But they have been for years. You can go to Mass five times a day, it won't save you.
The Church is Authoritative

Matthew 18:18
Jesus gives to the Apostles the power to legislate.
Matthew 18:17
Jesus gives to the Apostles the power to discipline.
Matthew 28:18-20
Jesus delegates all power to Apostles.
Matthew 16:13-19
Jesus give primary authority to St. Peter.
Luke 10:16
Jesus gives to the Apostles the power to speak with Christ's voice.
John 20:23
Jesus gives to the Apostles the power to forgive sins
1 Corinthians 11:24
Jesus gives to the Apostles the power to offer the sacrifice.(The Eucharist.)

I have no problem with whether a priest is homosexual or heterosexual. The fact is they became a priest because of a deep belief in God.

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#1615 Sep 23, 2013
lol wrote:
<quoted text>
If I point out to you the Word of God then you are thumbing your nose at God.
Unlike You, I rely upon the Holy Spirit for interpretation of the Word, not your dead Catholic "fathers" and the present pope who is getting ready to let gays preach in the CC. But they have been for years. You can go to Mass five times a day, it won't save you.
Sorry.
Thousands of differing sects of Protestantism claim the same thing..being lead by the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit does not mislead anyone.

What you give is your own take on what scripture means, nothing more.
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#1616 Sep 23, 2013
TheCapedCrusader wrote:
<quoted text>
"Biological evolution, simply put, is descent with modification. This definition encompasses small-scale evolution (changes in gene frequency in a population from one generation to the next) and large-scale evolution (the descent of different species from a common ancestor over many generations). Evolution helps us to understand the history of life."
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/...
I admire your "faith," misplaced as it is!
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#1617 Sep 23, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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I admire your "faith," misplaced as it is!
When our acceptance of evolution is based on EVIDENCE -- TONS of it -- it isn't "faith" anymore, is it?

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