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“God Loves Ilks!”

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#1064 Sep 9, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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I do paragraphing but it doesn’t always come out that way.
Anyway, how WE interpret the writing is less important than how it was MEANT to be interpreted by those contemporary to it. The people for whom the NT was written were people in *those* times, 2000 years ago,, and they had differing cultures and language from what we have today. In other words, when Paul wrote to the Ephesians, for example, he wrote in a way that they were meant to understand, which may be quite different from how we understand it. It’s like expecting people 2000 years in the future to understand what people mean today when they write things like “cuz,”“yo,”“gotcha,”“gonna,”“c ould of,” etc.
“And the same applies to the Bible. Which was not in existence when Jesus was preaching, nor was it around when the Apostles were doing their thang, etc, etc...”
I assume you meant the NT here, as Jesus and the Apostles did have the OT. And remember, Jesus, being God Himself, guided the writing of the Bible, so He certainly knew it!
Politics and organization certainly do not guarantee correctness, I concur, but God absolutely CAN insure correctness and did so! The Bible was entirely guided and preserved by God, not mankind! It wouldn’t have lasted more than a generation or two had He not done so!
It is like the story, Highlander: there can be only one! There can only be one truth for the Biblical message; more than one would leave it totally up to individual interpretation and that would certainly be its ruin, as it actually has almost been (think Mormonism, JWs, Catholicism, and many other denominations that have altered it!), if not for God’s divine guidance.
Again, with regard to His “I am the Way….” Statement, He didn’t HAVE to define it; it was written for a contemporary audience who would have completely understood what He was claiming. The fact that the Jewish leaders were often ready to kill Him was an indication that they knew exactly what He was claiming: He was claiming to be the Messiah, Christ, God in human form! THAT was why they took up stones to kill Him whenever He said things like “Before Abraham was, I Am.”
Jesus spoke more of hell than He did of heaven; is that not a clear indication that He was warning nonbelievers to seek Him so they could avoid hell? We Christians are NOT the ones saying anyone will go to hell, God says it very clearly throughout the Bible, and Jesus is just as clear about it:
“And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell” Mat. 10:28.
“Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation” Rom. 13:2.
The Catholic Church did not alter the Bible at all.
Ben

United States

#1066 Sep 9, 2013
followerofSatan wrote:
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you have an afterlife?... really stupa$$....where did you get that pearl of wisdom from?....you don't have jack$hit, other than your wasted life right now worrying and praying to your imaginary fairy in the sky...
why do you get so upset when someone expresses their faith in God's word and His Son Jesus Christ? Just because you don't believe the words of truth, doesn't mean someone else is dumb because they do. This is the Christian forum. Why so hateful? Why so surprised people are expressing faith in God's word? Why hang around the Christian forum? Just want to stir up contentions?

2 Timothy 2:23-25

Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#1067 Sep 9, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>The Catholic Church did not alter the Bible at all.
Perhaps not literally, but it has installed numerous "traditions" that contradict the Bible and even totally sidestep Biblical foundational teachings. These serve to add to the Bible and that is expressly forbidden throughout God's word!

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

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#1068 Sep 9, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Perhaps not literally, but it has installed numerous "traditions" that contradict the Bible and even totally sidestep Biblical foundational teachings. These serve to add to the Bible and that is expressly forbidden throughout God's word!
Then, you were just LYING about the Catholic Church? Is that it?

No, the Catholic Church has not 'installed numerous traditions'.
That is silly.

Add to the Bible?
Good grief!
The Catholic Church teaches using both Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture. This has always been so.

You most likely are using a Bible that has been added to!
And, taken away from!

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#1069 Sep 9, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
<quoted text>
I do paragraphing but it doesn’t always come out that way.
Anyway, how WE interpret the writing is less important than how it was MEANT to be interpreted by those contemporary to it. The people for whom the NT was written were people in *those* times, 2000 years ago,, and they had differing cultures and language from what we have today. In other words, when Paul wrote to the Ephesians, for example, he wrote in a way that they were meant to understand, which may be quite different from how we understand it. It’s like expecting people 2000 years in the future to understand what people mean today when they write things like “cuz,”“yo,”“gotcha,”“gonna,”“c ould of,” etc.
“And the same applies to the Bible. Which was not in existence when Jesus was preaching, nor was it around when the Apostles were doing their thang, etc, etc...”
I assume you meant the NT here, as Jesus and the Apostles did have the OT. And remember, Jesus, being God Himself, guided the writing of the Bible, so He certainly knew it!
Politics and organization certainly do not guarantee correctness, I concur, but God absolutely CAN insure correctness and did so! The Bible was entirely guided and preserved by God, not mankind! It wouldn’t have lasted more than a generation or two had He not done so!
It is like the story, Highlander: there can be only one! There can only be one truth for the Biblical message; more than one would leave it totally up to individual interpretation and that would certainly be its ruin, as it actually has almost been (think Mormonism, JWs, Catholicism, and many other denominations that have altered it!), if not for God’s divine guidance.
Again, with regard to His “I am the Way….” Statement, He didn’t HAVE to define it; it was written for a contemporary audience who would have completely understood what He was claiming. The fact that the Jewish leaders were often ready to kill Him was an indication that they knew exactly what He was claiming: He was claiming to be the Messiah, Christ, God in human form! THAT was why they took up stones to kill Him whenever He said things like “Before Abraham was, I Am.”
Jesus spoke more of hell than He did of heaven; is that not a clear indication that He was warning nonbelievers to seek Him so they could avoid hell? We Christians are NOT the ones saying anyone will go to hell, God says it very clearly throughout the Bible, and Jesus is just as clear about it:
“And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell” Mat. 10:28.
“Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation” Rom. 13:2.
"He was claiming to be the Messiah, Christ, God in human form!"

Chapter and verse, por favor.
lol

Welch, WV

#1070 Sep 10, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Then, you were just LYING about the Catholic Church? Is that it?
No, the Catholic Church has not 'installed numerous traditions'.
That is silly.
Add to the Bible?
Good grief!
The Catholic Church teaches using both Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture. This has always been so.
You most likely are using a Bible that has been added to!
And, taken away from!
The Catholic church is the great church of Apostasy. It has fallen away from the Faith once delivered to the saints. Your pride and arrogance is plain to see and also your holier than thou, condescending attitude.
lol

Welch, WV

#1071 Sep 10, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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"He was claiming to be the Messiah, Christ, God in human form!"
Chapter and verse, por favor.
John 4:25 The woman saith unto Him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when He is come, He will tell us all things.

John 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am He.
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#1072 Sep 10, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Then, you were just LYING about the Catholic Church? Is that it?
No, the Catholic Church has not 'installed numerous traditions'.
That is silly.
Add to the Bible?
Good grief!
The Catholic Church teaches using both Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture. This has always been so.
You most likely are using a Bible that has been added to!
And, taken away from!
It's certainly has added to it. The Bible says nothing about infant baptism, Mary/saint adoration, popes, prayer to priests, etc. etc. Those things are considered just as important to Catholics as actual Biblical precepts, if not even more so. That IS adding to the Bible! We are NOT supposed to put any "traditions" on equal or higher ground than the Bible. Do you all not realize that what Catholicism is doing with its traditions is EXACTLY what the Jewish leaders of Jesus' day were doing, and He condemned them for it! You really need to wake up to the truth of your religion, Nettie!
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#1073 Sep 10, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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"He was claiming to be the Messiah, Christ, God in human form!"
Chapter and verse, por favor.
Did you not read all of what you just responded to? I said in that post quite clearly how Jesus made it clear that He was the Messiah. Read it again! Then read these and don't try to make up some ludicrous excuse as to what they "really" mean; they are clear!

John 10:33 In response to Jesus' claim: "The Jews answered him,'It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.'”

John 8:58 "Jesus said to them,'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.'”

John 20:28 Jesus receives worship and allows Himself to be called "God": "Thomas answered him,'My Lord and my God!'”
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#1074 Sep 10, 2013
lol wrote:
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John 4:25 The woman saith unto Him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when He is come, He will tell us all things.
John 4:26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am He.
Oh no, no, LOL, this one is TOO clear. They'll never agree with it! ;) Good one!

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#1075 Sep 10, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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It's certainly has added to it. The Bible says nothing about infant baptism, Mary/saint adoration, popes, prayer to priests, etc. etc. Those things are considered just as important to Catholics as actual Biblical precepts, if not even more so. That IS adding to the Bible! We are NOT supposed to put any "traditions" on equal or higher ground than the Bible. Do you all not realize that what Catholicism is doing with its traditions is EXACTLY what the Jewish leaders of Jesus' day were doing, and He condemned them for it! You really need to wake up to the truth of your religion, Nettie!
prayer to priest?
What?

All of the Catholic Church teachings are supported by scripture.
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#1076 Sep 10, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>prayer to priest?
What?
All of the Catholic Church teachings are supported by scripture.
What else would you call confession? It is a form of prayer and we are told in the NT that we are to pray to God/Jesus, not mankind!

No, Catholic church teachings are absolutely NOT supported by the Bible. Not one of the examples I gave are even hinted at in the Bible!

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Since: Sep 13

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#1077 Sep 10, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>Then, you were just LYING about the Catholic Church? Is that it?
No, the Catholic Church has not 'installed numerous traditions'.
That is silly.
The Catholic Church teaches using both Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture.!
I am just curious. You said that the Catholic church has not installed numerous traditions, then you say that the RCC teaches using Sacred Tradition.

Well, if there are not a lot of them, then you would run out and would spend 99% of the time on Sacred Scripture.

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#1078 Sep 10, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>prayer to priest?
What?
All of the Catholic Church teachings are supported by scripture.
You did not answer about prayer to priests?

Don't you go to confessionals with a priest and say "Father forgive me I have sinned, it has been ex amount of time since I last confessed.". Am I wrong here? Please explain how, if I am.

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#1079 Sep 10, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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"He was claiming to be the Messiah, Christ, God in human form!"
Chapter and verse, por favor.
Please answer this question. If Jesus were not the Messiah, then how could Mary be blessed, have a virgin birth and be Mother of God? You believe this do you not?

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#1080 Sep 10, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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What else would you call confession? It is a form of prayer and we are told in the NT that we are to pray to God/Jesus, not mankind!
No, Catholic church teachings are absolutely NOT supported by the Bible. Not one of the examples I gave are even hinted at in the Bible!
Since you obviously know nothing about the Catholic church, you could save face by not commenting.

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#1081 Sep 10, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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What else would you call confession? It is a form of prayer and we are told in the NT that we are to pray to God/Jesus, not mankind!
No, Catholic church teachings are absolutely NOT supported by the Bible. Not one of the examples I gave are even hinted at in the Bible!
Catholics confess to God:

The Act of Contrition

By Scott P. Richert, About.com Guide

The Act of Contrition is usually associated with the Sacrament of Confession, but Catholics should also pray it every day as part of their normal prayer life. In it, we acknowledge our sins, ask God for forgiveness, and express our desire to repent.

The Act of Contrition

"O my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee, and I detest all my sins, because I dread the loss of Heaven, and the pains of Hell; but most of all because I love Thee, my God, Who art all good and deserving of all my love. I firmly resolve, with the help of Thy grace, to confess my sins, to do penance, and to amend my life. Amen."

Here is a link showing that all Catholic Church teachings are based on scripture:
http://www.askacatholic.com/_WebPostings/Answ...
A list of Catholic Scripture verses that defend Catholic doctrines.

And, yes, they are either direct or implied within all scripture.
The New Testament, after all, IS a Catholic document!

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#1082 Sep 10, 2013
MAD DOG BUSTER wrote:
<quoted text>You did not answer about prayer to priests?
Don't you go to confessionals with a priest and say "Father forgive me I have sinned, it has been ex amount of time since I last confessed.". Am I wrong here? Please explain how, if I am.
I just posted it, hon.
Catholics confess to God and they can do so in Confession or privately while in church.
Either way, they pray to and ask forgiveness from God.

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#1083 Sep 10, 2013
MAD DOG BUSTER wrote:
<quoted text>I am just curious. You said that the Catholic church has not installed numerous traditions, then you say that the RCC teaches using Sacred Tradition.
Well, if there are not a lot of them, then you would run out and would spend 99% of the time on Sacred Scripture.
Sacred Tradition = Oral teachings
Sacred Scripture = Oral teachings written down.

Can't be any clearer than that.

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#1084 Sep 10, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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What else would you call confession? It is a form of prayer and we are told in the NT that we are to pray to God/Jesus, not mankind!
No, Catholic church teachings are absolutely NOT supported by the Bible. Not one of the examples I gave are even hinted at in the Bible!
Yes, they are.

You just reject them.

All those beliefs were certainly followed up until the Reformation.

I already know what you believe.
You are completely in the dark as to what Catholics believe.

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