Two Questions for Atheists/Evolutionists

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#227 Aug 20, 2013
lol wrote:
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lol What, you are afraid of a few Christians on a chat board?
Nope, I am worried what millions of living in the dark ages Christians can do.Christians have a strong tendency to vote against their own best interest.I'd really like to understand why they do that.

President Obama's recent proposal, the "Buffett Rule", which would place a minimum tax rate of 30% on millionaires, failed in the Senate with a 51-49 vote. Only one Republican voted for the bill, falling nine votes short of the 60 vote super majority it needed to move to the House of Representatives.

Though the "Buffett Rule" failed in the Senate, if a 60% threshold was needed among the American people, the bill would have passed with flying colors. 72% of Americans support the "Buffett Rule".

Whether it's religion, fear or simply a case of misinformation, conservative voters have been getting the wool pulled over their eyes for years and it's not only affecting them, but the entire country. The Democratic party is far from perfect, but more often than not, their policies represent the best interest of the majority of the American people.
lol wrote:
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It seems now that non believers are using the law to keep believers quite. Can you say hypocrite, hypocrite?
Poor Christians all they know is fear.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#228 Aug 20, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Are you referring to the perceived differences between Genesis 1 and 2? There is no problem here: Genesis 1 is an account of the whole creation week. Genesis 2 focuses on just the events of the sixth day in order to elaborate on God's specific work on us (man and woman) and the land and Adam's "assignment" over it. To say these two are different is really stretching things as there is no conflicting info and nothing created out of order from the first chapter's account. Any apparent discrepancies are easily explained, such as the vegetation. The vegetation mentioned in Genesis 2 is a different Hebrew word that refers to agricultural veggies rather than just vegetation in general.
Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 are the work of different authors.

Genesis 1 is about Elohim. Genesis 2 is about Yahweh.

What you think is irrelevant. The smart people figured it out.
lol

Welch, WV

#230 Aug 20, 2013
Jammercolo wrote:
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Nope, I am worried what millions of living in the dark ages Christians can do.Christians have a strong tendency to vote against their own best interest.I'd really like to understand why they do that.
President Obama's recent proposal, the "Buffett Rule", which would place a minimum tax rate of 30% on millionaires, failed in the Senate with a 51-49 vote. Only one Republican voted for the bill, falling nine votes short of the 60 vote super majority it needed to move to the House of Representatives.
Though the "Buffett Rule" failed in the Senate, if a 60% threshold was needed among the American people, the bill would have passed with flying colors. 72% of Americans support the "Buffett Rule".
Whether it's religion, fear or simply a case of misinformation, conservative voters have been getting the wool pulled over their eyes for years and it's not only affecting them, but the entire country. The Democratic party is far from perfect, but more often than not, their policies represent the best interest of the majority of the American people.
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Poor Christians all they know is fear.
why do all the millionaire union bosses love the democrats so much and buy them every election? You democrats make it sound like only republicans are rich. There are billionaire democrats also so how about keeping your class warfare to yourself.
lol

Welch, WV

#231 Aug 20, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 are the work of different authors.
Genesis 1 is about Elohim. Genesis 2 is about Yahweh.
What you think is irrelevant. The smart people figured it out.
Genesis 1 and 2 are two completely different creation stories by the same God. Evidently you aren't among the smart ones.

“Invisible Pink Unicorn”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#232 Aug 21, 2013
lol wrote:
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why do all the millionaire union bosses love the democrats so much and buy them every election? You democrats make it sound like only republicans are rich. There are billionaire democrats also so how about keeping your class warfare to yourself.
Sure their are billionaire democrats. The richest american is not only a democrat he is also an atheist as is the second richest American and both of them are giving it away at their death.
Difference is most liberal billionaire or billionaire democrats say they support higher taxes on the rich.

Ever heard of The Giving Pledge? It a growing group of American billionaire that pledge to give at least half their money away at death. Guess what not hardly and rich republicans.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#233 Aug 21, 2013
lol wrote:
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Genesis 1 and 2 are two completely different creation stories by the same God. Evidently you aren't among the smart ones.
"Two completely different creation stories."
QED

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#234 Aug 21, 2013
lol wrote:
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No, you do not have the evidence that the pagan myths are older than the Christian versions of creation. As a matter of FACT, it has already been discovered the Hebrew language and writing is MUCH older than previously thought. All we have to do is sit back and let the heavens declare His Glory and the earth will declare His handiwork.
How old was the Hebrew language previously thought?
How old do you think it is now?

Be specific. Cite your sources.
followerofSatan

Dallas, TX

#235 Aug 21, 2013
Religious zealotry over the centuries has been directly responsible for countless deaths, imprisonments, needless suffering, torturings, and the oppression of people on grounds of sex, race, colour, sexuality or belief.

A few obvious examples :
• The Crusades.
• The Inquisition.
• Witch trials in Europe and America.
• The Divine right of Kings (valid until killed by another Divinely-appointed King).
• Missionaries destroying/converting smaller, "heathen" religions and cultures.
• The demonization of other religions, e.g. Christianity demonizing Pagans ("They're devil-worshippers!"), the Romans demonizing Christians ("They're atheists and cannibals!").
• Persecution of Heretics - e.g. Galileo for daring to suggest that the Earth orbits the Sun.
• Children dying because their parents refused them medical treatment on religious grounds; relying instead on faith-healers and prayer.
• Slavery, supposedly supported by scripture ("Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, just as you would obey Christ.", St.Paul, Ephesians 6:5)
• Holy wars - followers of different faiths (or even the same faith) killing each other in the name of their (benevolent, loving and merciful) gods.
• The destruction of great works of art considered to be pornographic/blasphemous, and the persecution of the artists.
• Censorship (often destructive) of speech, art, books, music, films, poetry, songs and, if possible, thought.
• Persecution/punishment of blasphemers (Salman Rushdie still has a death sentence on him), and blasphemy laws in general.
• The requirement of theism in order to stand for public office or to testify in court.
• Serial killers believing they are doing the work of Satan (or sometimes Jesus).
• Often-fatal exorcisms by priests believing they are destroying the work of Satan.
• People suffering dreadful injury or death in the belief that their faith has made them invulnerable (e.g. people climbing into lion enclosures at zoos, with a Bible as protection).
• Whole societies divided by minor differences in belief or doctrine, often resulting in violence.
• Mass suicides of cult-members following a charismatic leader who believes the world is about to End (most recently, the Heaven's Gate and Solar Temple cults - there will be more as we approach the year 2000).
• The attempted genocide of followers of a particular faith (e.g. the Jewish Holocaust, "ethnic cleansing" in former Yugoslavia).
• Blood sacrifices to appease the Gods, or to ensure a good harvest.(The Aztecs made daily human sacrifices to ensure that the Sun would rise. Or did they?)
• The practice of "female circumcision" (more accurately termed genital mutilation).
• The discouragement of rational, critical thought (resulting in young-earth creationists, for example).
• Uncontrolled population growth caused (or at least helped) by churches prohibiting birth-control and abortion.(You can also add : unwanted pregnancies, ill-fated forced marriages, and pregnant teenagers condemned to a life in mental institutions to avoid embarrassing their families.)
• The spread of sexually transmitted diseases (e.g. AIDS) due to churches prohibiting the use of condoms.
• Believers whipping, impaling, poisoning or crucifying themselves during religious festivals as a demonstration of their faith and piety.
• Suicide bombers taught to believe that martyrs go straight to Paradise.
• The indoctrination of children into the religion of their parents, giving them an arbitrary, life-long belief that is almost entirely dependent on their place of birth.
• Women treated as second-class citizens or even slaves (article : Islam's Shame).
• Pentecostal snake-handlers (Augusta Chronicle news article)
• Persecution of homosexuals (Genocide of gay and lesbian youth)
• Abuse of power, authority and trust by religious leaders (for financial gain or sexual abuse of followers and even children).
• Minor religions ("cults") stockpiling we

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#236 Aug 21, 2013
lol wrote:
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SO, you actually think yo are somebody? You are a bug on the windshield of life and you have no ammo to begin with. Please don't think you are making a difference by ridiculing Christians because you don't.
I don't ridicule Christians. I ridicule fundies.
Cujo

Regina, Canada

#237 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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The question asks for YOUR mind's work, not just spitting out info from other people's minds/work. But these are not examples of sexual reproduction the way I am asking for it. At some point two lower life forms had to have developed penile and a vaginal organs, SIMULTANEOUSLY, for intercourse to happen. THIS is what I am referring to!
Like I said, in an earlier post. You will not accept the evidence. It's not any of OUR minds work, it's science. If you are not willing to read the scientific literature, that's not our fault.

“Vader2016!”

Since: Sep 10

The Deathstar

#238 Aug 21, 2013
lol wrote:
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Where is Gods Glory in evolution or the BB? God is an intimate, loving God Who loves His creation. Loved it so much in fact that He died for it. Evolution is a cold, self serving theory, nothing more. Why would God give the glory of the universe to a BB?
Sigh,

Your god knows everything. Right?
Your god created everything. Right?
Nothing happens without your god's will. Right?

Then your god is responsible for babies born with aids, children getting molested in churches and all the other atrocities we can name. Because "his will be done."

Thanks,

10
TheCapedCrusader

San Jose, CA

#239 Aug 21, 2013
lol wrote:
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Where is Gods Glory in evolution or the BB? God is an intimate, loving God Who loves His creation. Loved it so much in fact that He died for it. Evolution is a cold, self serving theory, nothing more. Why would God give the glory of the universe to a BB?
“As far as I can see, such a theory remains entirely outside any metaphysical or religious question. It leaves the materialist free to deny any transcendental Being… For the believer, it removes any attempt at familiarity with God… It is consonant with Isaiah speaking of the hidden God, hidden even in the beginning of the universe.”

Father Georges Lemaître, Catholic priest, scientist and Father of the Big Bang Theory.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#240 Aug 21, 2013
lol wrote:
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Genesis 1 and 2 are two completely different creation stories by the same God. Evidently you aren't among the smart ones.
Modern Bible scholars AND the divinity schools and seminaries of all of mainstream Christianity have for quite some time now taught the Documentary Hypothesis regarding the authorship of the Pentateuch (the first 5 books of the Bible).

Short summary: If someone named "Moses" even existed and was not a purely legendary figure, he certainly did NOT write the pentateuch, which was written hundreds of years AFTER the supposed events by four different writers and one editor or redactor.

The Documentary Hypothesis, and the identity of the Pentateuch's authors
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_tora1.h... #

Excerpts

Both Judaism and Christianity assumed that the Pentateuch -- the first five books of the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) were written by Moses, as the Bible itself states. However, in recent centuries, alternative authorship has been proposed. The documentary hypothesis is now accepted by essentially all mainline and liberal theologians.

Belief in the documentary hypothesis was triggered by a number of factors, such as:
• Anachronisms, like the list of the Edomite kings;
• Duplicate and triplicate passages
• Various passages portrayed God in different ways;
• The flood story appears to involve the meshing of two separate stories;

The belief, centuries ago, by archaeologists and linguists that writing among the ancient Hebrews only developed after the events portrayed in the Pentateuch. Thus, Moses would have been incapable of writing the first five books of the Hebrew Scriptures.

These factors led theologians to the conclusion that the Pentateuch is a hybrid document which was written well after Moses' death, and much later than the events portrayed. The authors and redactors are unknown, and are commonly referred to as authors J, E, P and D.

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Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#241 Aug 21, 2013
lol wrote:
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Those "deities" are fantasy and can be proven as such.
Whatever "proofs" you can supply to dismiss other Gods can be used equally well to dismiss your whole Christian fairy tale.
lol wrote:
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You cannot prove the God of the Bible is fantasy. I mean you can try but who do you think will really listen to you?
Thanks for admitting that you'll believe what Mummy and Daddy and Pastor Billy Bob have programmed you to believe -- no matter what. Pretty clear confirmation of the anti-intellectual character of the fundamentalist mentality.

"Don't bother me with facts or with proven science if it contradicts the fairy stories my pastor and Bible teachers have taught me! Nah, nah nah nah... I can't HEAR you!"
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#242 Aug 21, 2013
Gillette wrote:
It's not nonsense for a seed to unfold itself from within and give manifestation to an enormous California Redwood tree -- all of which unfolds from within the hollow part of the seed.
lol wrote:
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And what gives the spark of life for that tree to grow? Can man replicate it? Be honest and say no.
You're a flippin' MORON.

What I wrote above is an ANALOGY to describe another type of religious belief, other than the crude Bronze Age "Theism" of Christianity where God is imagined as a bearded white-robed figure reigning on a throne up in the sky, separate from his "creation." It refers to a pantheist or panENtheistic view of God such as is found in Hinduism, Buddhism, pagan or nature religions, etc.

It's NOT an example of biological evolution.

Christ, can't you fundie morons even RAED and follow SIMPLE ARGUMENTS? Apparently not.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#243 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Ok, I'm just going to presume this conversation to its inevitable regression:
Me –“Where did the seed come from?”
You –“From the tree.”
Me –“Where did the tree come from?”
You –“Its seed.”
Me –“Where did the seed come from?”
You –“From the tree.”
Me –“Where did the tree come from?”
You –“Its seed.”
Jump back to the beginning of everything:
Me –“And where did that very first seed come from?”
You –“Er…Um…Uh…evolution did it!”
Ditto for you moron.

Can't even follow the simple thread of an argument, can you, "Teacher"? LOL!
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#244 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Long ages and evo. make NO sense in light of these things and much more. There is simply no room for evo and long ages in the Bible except by shoehorning them in to make supposed "science" fit with the Bible!
As Augustine, one of the great early church fathers, wrote in the 3rd century ---

"Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of the world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience.

Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men.

If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason?

Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion." [quoting 1 Tim 1:7](qtd. from The Literal Meaning of Genesis).

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Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#245 Aug 21, 2013
lol wrote:
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lol What, you are afraid of a few Christians on a chat board? It seems n ow that non believers are using the law to keep believers quite. Can you say hypocrite, hypocrite?
Not that! Using the laws properly! After a few centuries of Believers using them incorrectly or more often NOT at all...to keep quiet non-believers or whomever else they disliked...censorship outside the law was a very common means for zealot Believers to quiet non-believers, or those of differing beliefs...

There is nothing hypocritical in using the civil legal system to properly squelch the intrusion of Religion into places it does not belong...like in school science classes.
no-one-special

Mérida, Mexico

#246 Aug 21, 2013
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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"Two completely different creation stories."
QED
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What brings "you" (not the smart guys who already figured it out) to that conclusion? Do explain.

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Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#247 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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In the mirror I see one who is already saved. Even though he doesn't deserve it, he is accepted by God who sees him through the blood-stained glasses of Jesus.
Jesus wore glasses? So he wasn't perfect?

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