Two Questions for Atheists/Evolutionists

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FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#1 Aug 13, 2013
I tried this in another thread and it went nowhere because they who tried could not answer this with reason and logic, so I am trying again on its own thread--answer the following two questions without throwing out links, ad hominem attacks, or other fallacious arguments (I have changed the questions some):

1. What EXACTLY caused the universe to exist?

2. How EXACTLY did sexual reproduction come into existence?
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#2 Aug 13, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
I tried this in another thread and it went nowhere because they who tried could not answer this with reason and logic, so I am trying again on its own thread--answer the following two questions without throwing out links, ad hominem attacks, or other fallacious arguments (I have changed the questions some):

1. What EXACTLY caused the universe to exist?

2. How EXACTLY did sexual reproduction come into existence?
1. The revelation of creation is inseparable from the revelation and forging of the covenant of the one God with his People.
Creation is revealed as the first step toward this covenant, the first and universal witness to God's all-powerful love.
(Gen 15:5; Jer 33:19-26)

2. Love, er, ah, maybe lust.
TheCapedCrusader

Columbus, OH

#3 Aug 14, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
I tried this in another thread and it went nowhere because they who tried could not answer this with reason and logic, so I am trying again on its own thread--answer the following two questions without throwing out links, ad hominem attacks, or other fallacious arguments (I have changed the questions some):
You don't get to dictate how we respond to your questions. If you don't like the answers, don't ask the questions.
FollowerofChrist wrote:
1. What EXACTLY caused the universe to exist?
The Big Bang. Prior to the Big Bang, no one knows for sure, not even you. No I don't think "God" did it because you have already admitted it is not possible to prove "God" exists. So it's pointless to insert it into gaps in our knowledge. The honest approach is to say "We don't know until we have further information".
FollowerofChrist wrote:
2. How EXACTLY did sexual reproduction come into existence?
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/evolution/...
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#4 Aug 14, 2013
TheCapedCrusader wrote:
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You don't get to dictate how we respond to your questions. If you don't like the answers, don't ask the questions.
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The Big Bang. Prior to the Big Bang, no one knows for sure, not even you. No I don't think "God" did it because you have already admitted it is not possible to prove "God" exists. So it's pointless to insert it into gaps in our knowledge. The honest approach is to say "We don't know until we have further information".
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http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/evolution/...
Sure I can dictate it; I started the thread. If you don't wish to play by the rules, I'll simply ignore you from now on!
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#5 Aug 14, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
I tried this in another thread and it went nowhere because they who tried could not answer this with reason and logic, so I am trying again on its own thread--answer the following two questions without throwing out links, ad hominem attacks, or other fallacious arguments (I have changed the questions some):
1. What EXACTLY caused the universe to exist?
2. How EXACTLY did sexual reproduction come into existence?
1. Personally, I don't actually care. Its here, I'm here. I like it here...I'm satisfied. Especially since there is so much Universe that is of no consequence to my life, its all irrelevant.

2. Same, who cares? I like sex, my wife likes sex, we like sex with each other - a lot - and thats all that matters.

For the record; your fairy tales, Xtian ones to be exact, do not actually or satisfactorily explain anything re; your Q's. "Goddidit!" ain't an explanation...
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#6 Aug 14, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
I tried this in another thread and it went nowhere because they who tried could not answer this with reason and logic, so I am trying again on its own thread--answer the following two questions without throwing out links, ad hominem attacks, or other fallacious arguments (I have changed the questions some):
1. What EXACTLY caused the universe to exist?
2. How EXACTLY did sexual reproduction come into existence?
There are now several different scientific hypotheses and there have been throughout history many different beliefs and myths about what caused the universe to come into existence. However at this point in time no one (including you) "knows" exactly how it happened. That fact in no way negates the scientific evidence which supports the theory of evolution.

All life evolved from single cell organisms which reproduced by means of asexual cell division. Researchers from the California Institute of Technology have demonstrated how asexual bacteria can evolve into sexual reproduction if they are subject to high levels of mutation induced by environmental stress such as, radiation exposure or a catastrophic meteor.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/...

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/...
Disciple

United States

#7 Aug 14, 2013
As usual atheists can't back up how we came to exist other than the usual who cares how we fsme about.

Until you can prove God didn't create anything, I call BS just like you do on Christians when you say we can't prove a Hod does exists.

Who cares is a weak and lame answer to those 2 questions, as you know what the real answer is.
TheCapedCrusader

San Jose, CA

#9 Aug 14, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Sure I can dictate it; I started the thread. If you don't wish to play by the rules, I'll simply ignore you from now on!
Do what you want, it's what I'm going to do.
TheCapedCrusader

San Jose, CA

#10 Aug 14, 2013
Disciple wrote:
As usual atheists can't back up how we came to exist other than the usual who cares how we fsme about.
Until you can prove God didn't create anything, I call BS just like you do on Christians when you say we can't prove a Hod does exists.
Who cares is a weak and lame answer to those 2 questions, as you know what the real answer is.
Yes we can. You just don't like the answers.
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#11 Aug 14, 2013
Disciple wrote:
1. As usual atheists can't back up how we came to exist other than the usual who cares how we fsme about.

2. Until you can prove God didn't create anything, I call BS just like you do on Christians when you say we can't prove a Hod does exists.

3. Who cares is a weak and lame answer to those 2 questions, as you know what the real answer is.
1. Not as usual. But it bothers you doesnt it?

2. No need, no need to do anything TILL you folks can prove your wild claims. Proof is always on the shoulders of the one making the wild claims.

3. Who cares is perfectly legit. Cause I, me, myself and I, dont truly care. I like to investigate what the sciences say, but in the end it's unimportant. To me - I dont speak for any one else.

Uh, no the real answer is NOT your silly God myths. Especially not that dope of a Xtian God you worship.
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#12 Aug 14, 2013
Punisher wrote:
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1. Personally, I don't actually care. Its here, I'm here. I like it here...I'm satisfied. Especially since there is so much Universe that is of no consequence to my life, its all irrelevant.
2. Same, who cares? I like sex, my wife likes sex, we like sex with each other - a lot - and thats all that matters.
For the record; your fairy tales, Xtian ones to be exact, do not actually or satisfactorily explain anything re; your Q's. "Goddidit!" ain't an explanation...
Thanks for your non-answer.
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#13 Aug 14, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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There are now several different scientific hypotheses and there have been throughout history many different beliefs and myths about what caused the universe to come into existence. However at this point in time no one (including you) "knows" exactly how it happened. That fact in no way negates the scientific evidence which supports the theory of evolution.
All life evolved from single cell organisms which reproduced by means of asexual cell division. Researchers from the California Institute of Technology have demonstrated how asexual bacteria can evolve into sexual reproduction if they are subject to high levels of mutation induced by environmental stress such as, radiation exposure or a catastrophic meteor.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/...
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/...
1. No, I don't know the mechanics of the advent of the universe, but I DO know the One who created it and told us about it in His Word. That is all I need. You, one the other hand have absolutely nothing but guess work that causes highly respectable, highly intelligent scientists to grasp at such foolishness as multiple universes!

2. "Digital Organisms"? Seriously? That's the best they/you can do? And you call us dumb! WOW!! I can only imagine how your lot would react if a Creationist announced he had a new computer program that could illustrate how God created matter. Just, WOW!
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#14 Aug 14, 2013
TheCapedCrusader wrote:
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Yes we can. You just don't like the answers.
Here you go again, Caped! You must have all of these pat answers typed somewhere so all you have to do is cut and paste them whenever they apply!
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#15 Aug 14, 2013
Punisher wrote:
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Proof is always on the shoulders of the one making the wild claims.
Which is exactly why I am asking these two questions! Now, can you come up with something other than the typical "wild claims" of evolutionists? Or are you just going to keep posting the same non-answers you posted on the other thread?
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#16 Aug 14, 2013
Update: reasonable answers to the Q's so far - 0
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#18 Aug 14, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Which is exactly why I am asking these two questions! Now, can you come up with something other than the typical "wild claims" of evolutionists? Or are you just going to keep posting the same non-answers you posted on the other thread?
No. This is whats wrong with your argument.

I take what the many sciences that support Evo theory as learned and accumulated knowledge, based on a whole lot of people doing a lot of hard work to hunt down real facts sourced from a real place called the Natural World.

I take that as real world facts meant to explain a real world, that can be explained, is being explained, and will continue to be explained. Albeit always incompletely...but more complete than the year before, decade, and centuries before.

I take what all the many disciplines of Science say as the BEST and most complete explanations of the Natural World to date.

I take what you believe explains everything - "Goddidit!" - as nothing but a bunch of mental masturbation about things that have not one shred of proof to support them. That for thousands of years not one Religion, including Xtianity in all its many forms, has NOT put one shred of real world evidence on the table, about a Supernatural World that has never been found to exist. That leaves no trace when it intrudes on this world - except what amounts to wild-as$ed stories told a few thousand years ago by a bunch of people who had no idea that bacteria even existed and made-up a huge part of the human internal flora and fauna and played an integral role in our survival.

All of which has been found to support the Theory of Evolution, and all done in a few hundred years, since Darwin first published his epic work.(That you have not read, and probably could not read and understand even 5%.) While You and your dance around the fire, fall down and worship, imaginary tongue-speaker brethren have not managed to conjure one thing even close to proving your claims. Who rely on a silly book of myths to know anything about a Super Being that has not one scrape of evidence to prove his existence.

Yeah, I'm gonna go with the real world, real facts of a real place called the Natural World - and not the one/s that only exists in your/others Faith soaked head.
Punisher

Massapequa, NY

#19 Aug 14, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Thanks for your non-answer.
Uh, no such thing exists. Only my not posting would have been a non-answer. I did answer...you just didn't like it. All's fair in this regard...you dont like my answer, I dont like yours. Goddidit! is a patently stupid answer, and a real non-answer.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#20 Aug 14, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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1. No, I don't know the mechanics of the advent of the universe, but I DO know the One who created it and told us about it in His Word. That is all I need. You, one the other hand have absolutely nothing but guess work that causes highly respectable, highly intelligent scientists to grasp at such foolishness as multiple universes!
2. "Digital Organisms"? Seriously? That's the best they/you can do? And you call us dumb! WOW!! I can only imagine how your lot would react if a Creationist announced he had a new computer program that could illustrate how God created matter. Just, WOW!
You may “believe” that you “know” that “God” created the universe but that only shows that you don’t know the difference between believing and knowing.

"Between believing a thing and thinking you know is only a small step and quickly taken." -- Mark Twain,

And you believe that “God did it by magic” is a more reasonable explanation for the appearance of sexual reproduction than scientific research.

“In April [2009], for example, signs of sexual recombination were discovered in the seemingly asexual Leishma-nia, a protozoan [unicellular asexual organism] that causes the tropical disease leishmaniasis (Science, 10 April, pp. 187, 265).

“Given how widespread sex and sex-related genes are, it’s hard to escape the conclusion that sex &#64257;rst evolved in the common ancestor of all eukaryotes [unicellular organisms with a nucleus] some 2 billion years ago.”—John Logsdon, Professor of Biology, University of Iowa

"Believing is easier than thinking. Hence so many more believers than thinkers." ~ Bruce Calvert
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#21 Aug 14, 2013
Elphaba Ann 7 wrote:
<quoted text>Has anyone told you about what the water in WV does to the inhabitants?
Its sad. You must be suffering!
You gotta be Kidding!

The news is filled with stories from Flori-DUH.

Houses being sucked into sink holes in the ground.

Spaced out people snorting bath salts running around naked and eating people's faces.

People shooting people left and right over tennis shoes.

People that can't figure out voting forms.

People that don't even know they are people, running rampant.

Oops, didn't mean to expose you.
Cisco Kid

Modesto, CA

#22 Aug 14, 2013
Big Al wrote:
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You may “believe” that you “know” that “God” created the universe but that only shows that you don’t know the difference between believing and knowing.
"Between believing a thing and thinking you know is only a small step and quickly taken." -- Mark Twain,
And you believe that “God did it by magic” is a more reasonable explanation for the appearance of sexual reproduction than scientific research.
“In April [2009], for example, signs of sexual recombination were discovered in the seemingly asexual Leishma-nia, a protozoan [unicellular asexual organism] that causes the tropical disease leishmaniasis (Science, 10 April, pp. 187, 265).
“Given how widespread sex and sex-related genes are, it’s hard to escape the conclusion that sex &#64257;rst evolved in the common ancestor of all eukaryotes [unicellular organisms with a nucleus] some 2 billion years ago.”—John Logsdon, Professor of Biology, University of Iowa
"Believing is easier than thinking. Hence so many more believers than thinkers." ~ Bruce Calvert
Skepticism is the opposite of Logic.

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