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Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

There are 603263 comments on the CBC News story from Jul 10, 2007, titled Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican. In it, CBC News reports that:

The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ.

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hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#423244 Feb 17, 2013
confrinting with the word wrote:
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THE WAY OF SALVATION (TO BE BORN AGAIN OF THE SPIRIT) WHICH IS PRESENTED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT IS..GIVEN TO US ... BY THE APOSTLE PAUL
Yes!----- you've got it "exactly" right which is "precisely" what Jesus Christs One True Catholic Church--teaches, proclaims and believes (each and every day) at Daily Mass.
The fact is Confrinting, its about the "only thing" that you have "ever said" that has ANY crediblity!...being born again of water and of the Spirit.......... In John 3:3 Jesus said, "unless a person is born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven". The Catholic Church has adhere to and proclaim "these words of Jesus Christ for over 2000 years. You're not telling us "anything new" that has not been done since Our Lord formed, initiated and established His first Church in Antioch!!
LTM

Fort Frances, Canada

#423245 Feb 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Besides ox, I asked you to show me where the CC puts sacred tradition above sacred scripture. The Hail Mary (although its based on sacred scripture) is not sacred tradition.
"What is the Hail Mary that Catholics say so often?"

Answer: The “Hail Mary,” Ave Maria in Latin, is a Roman Catholic prayer to the Virgin Mary that consists of salutations and a plea for her intercession. Also, the term "Hail Mary pass" was used by the press to describe a pass by Dallas Cowboys quarterback Roger Staubach in a 1975 divisional playoff game and has come to be synonymous in football with a long pass that has little chance of success. The text of the Hail Mary prayer incorporates two Bible passages:“Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee" (Luke 1:28) and “Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb" (Luke 1:42). The first passage is the angel Gabriel’s greeting to Mary when he came to inform her that she had been chosen to bear the Messiah. The second is her cousin Elizabeth’s greeting to Mary when Mary came to visit her cousin, who was also pregnant at the time with John the Baptist. The third part of the Hail Mary prayer is not from the Bible and is, in fact, in direct contradiction to Scriptural truth:“Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.”

This last part of the Hail Mary prayer has three unbiblical parts to it. First, Mary is not and never was “holy.” Mary was a human being who was born, as all humans are, with a sin nature and who recognized that she needed a Savior. In fact, the very passage used in the Hail Mary, known as Mary’s Magnificat (Luke 1:46-55), contains the declaration “my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,” a clear indication that she understood her need for a Savior from sin. The Bible never says that Mary was anyone but an ordinary human whom God chose to use in an extraordinary way. Yes, Mary was a righteous woman and favored (graced) by God (Luke 1:27-28). At the same time, Mary was a sinful human being who needed Jesus Christ as her Savior, just like everyone else (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 6:23; 1 John 1:8).

The second unbiblical part of the Hail Mary is addressing Mary as the “Mother of God.” Mary was the human mother of the human Jesus Christ, who was indeed God incarnate. But she was not the mother of God, neither is she the ”queen of heaven,” another title given to her by the Catholic Church which has no basis in Scripture. God doesn’t have a mother, nor does He have a queen. He is an eternal, infinite Being, uncreated and unborn, self-sufficient and self-sustaining.

The third unbiblical statement in the Hail Mary is the plea for her to “pray for us sinners.” Here we see the unbiblical practice of praying to Mary to intercede with God for us. First, we do not need an intercessor with God. Christ is the only intercessor we need. Through Jesus and Him alone, we have direct access to the Father. Christ alone mediates and intercedes between God and man.“For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus”(1 Timothy 2:5). Prayer to anyone other than God alone is anti-biblical. Praying to Mary or petitioning her to pray for us is against the Scriptures. Prayer is an act of worship. When we pray to God, we are admitting that we need His help. Directing our prayers to anyone other than God is robbing God of the glory that is His alone, something God hates and will not tolerate (Isaiah 42:8).

While Mary was certainly a godly young woman greatly blessed in that she was chosen to bear the Savior of the world, she was not in any way divine, nor was she sinless, nor is she to be worshipped, revered, venerated, or prayed to.
hojo

Saint Paul, MN

#423246 Feb 17, 2013
MICHAEL wrote:
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Everyone has an opinion or theory. That is what makes this forum so popular.
Protestants, agnostics and atheists ALL have "personal opinions" (42,000 relative truth opinionated Protestants) and God knows "how many atheists and agnostics, like yourself!! The Catholic Church has over 2000 years of Historical and biblical TRUTH to back it up "anything" and "everything" it believes and teaches!!......You Michael, have attained a "monopoly" on exaggerated opinions and a distortion of the the truth---"relative truth" that is, in which whatever each person decides is true is the truth!.....BELIEVABLE BUSTED TRUTH that is!!!
4GVN

Jackson, MO

#423247 Feb 17, 2013
Guest55 wrote:
<quoted text>Born again Christians.
That is what the scriptures tell us. Amen.
4GVN

Jackson, MO

#423249 Feb 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Who's we?
The SDA, Pentecostals, Evangelicals, Baptists, Presbyterians,*pauses for a breath* Angelicans, church of Christ members, Methodist, Calvinist, Lutherans, Nazereans, episcopals, Jehovah's *#%~&=/
On and on.
Who are the lucky ones who are brought to truth by the Holy Spirit?
Some Pentecostals, some Evangelicals, some Baptists, some Presbyterians, some Methodists etc. Whosoever has recieved Christ by faith and is trusting solely in Him for his salvation.
socci

Lawson, MO

#423250 Feb 17, 2013
hojo wrote:
Protestants, agnostics and atheists ALL have "personal opinions" (42,000 relative truth opinionated Protestants) and God knows "how many atheists and agnostics, like yourself!! The Catholic Church has over 2000 years of Historical and biblical TRUTH to back it up

That's funny. There's nooo biblical truth to the Roman Church - founded on TRADITION, not the Bible.
Actually there's only about 900 denominations in the USA while New Zealand has as few as 100. You see it's regional independent churches, many who are in agreement. While the RC Vatican in universal sun religion voodoo cult. Have you seen the pope kissing the koran? Wonder why the Islam immigration is allowed? Your pope wants this. Your good Catholics such as Joe Biden Nancy Pelosi and Marco Rubio make sure the immigration continues.
socci

Lawson, MO

#423251 Feb 17, 2013
4GVN wrote:
Some Pentecostals, some Evangelicals, some Baptists, some Presbyterians, some Methodists etc. Whosoever has recieved Christ by faith and is trusting solely in Him for his salvation.

I hope they are but when I read my Bible it says only 7th-day Sabbath keepers are actually saved, with the seal of God who keep the 10C law. All of them. It's about who we follow, God's word or the pope in Rome's sun cult -- the cause of all world problems, that gets worse and worse every year.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#423252 Feb 17, 2013
Clay wrote:
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Who's we?
The SDA, Pentecostals, Evangelicals, Baptists, Presbyterians,*pauses for a breath* Angelicans, church of Christ members, Methodist, Calvinist, Lutherans, Nazereans, episcopals, Jehovah's *#%~&=/
On and on.
Who are the lucky ones who are brought to truth by the Holy Spirit?
It is Written go an dprach the Gospel to the world. Paul was an Apostle to the GENTILES the other Apostles were to the Jews only until the stoning of Steven and Daniels 70 weeks was determined on the Jewish Nation and their house left desolate. They remained in that blind state for around 40 years more til the temple was destroyed and they were scattered again among the nations.
They have to come to Christ the same as we do Grafted back in to the vine through Christ.

Since: Feb 13

Texarkana, TX

#423253 Feb 17, 2013
Honestly this doesn't surprise me in the least. I mean hell, the catholics, the vatican, and the pope have been pissing on everyone since they started. The Vatican's own personal library even plays host to thousands of pagan books, items and even spell books. I wouldnt be surprised if they kept even more controversial things underwraps than Area 51. That, or they really are a bunch of arrogant, boy molesting, old farts.

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#423254 Feb 17, 2013
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Sherlayne wrote:
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Oh, the RCC relies heavier on Tradition than anything else. I don't fall for that manmade stuff. No insult to you, honest.
No insult....Am a member of an SBC church...

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#423255 Feb 17, 2013
socci wrote:
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I hope they are but when I read my Bible it says only 7th-day Sabbath keepers are actually saved, with the seal of God who keep the 10C law. All of them. It's about who we follow, God's word or the pope in Rome's sun cult -- the cause of all world problems, that gets worse and worse every year.
You have my interest....what Bible are you reading that says "only 7th-day Sabbath keepers are actually saved, with the seal of God who keep the 10C law."
marge

Ames, IA

#423256 Feb 17, 2013
Saban fan wrote:
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Weren't you one of the ones that said I was being unscriptural by being scriptural? Now you tell me the Catholic Church is completely scriptural. Shouldn't that make them unscriptural in your and Dan's opinions??
You guys are impossible. How can you have a serious topical debate with folks that choose whatever argument is convenient for the current question, nevermind that it completely contradicts the way you answered earlier questions.
Since the Pope, Cardinals etc are supposedly scriptural please point out the requirements for those offices in scripture. Or, you can just suck it up and admit they are not there (meaning, NO they ARE NOT they are in FACT veerings from scripture).
Hey Sabanfan you can't have a topical debate with these people correct, bout time you figured that out, but you can have one with us whenever your ready to answer.

Let us know:) Blessings
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#423258 Feb 17, 2013
Dresden_Frost wrote:
Honestly this doesn't surprise me in the least. I mean hell, the catholics, the vatican, and the pope have been pissing on everyone since they started. The Vatican's own personal library even plays host to thousands of pagan books, items and even spell books. I wouldnt be surprised if they kept even more controversial things underwraps than Area 51. That, or they really are a bunch of arrogant, boy molesting, old farts.
It does seem like they are the Apostles to Genitalia does it not ?
socci

Lawson, MO

#423259 Feb 17, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
You have my interest....what Bible are you reading that says "only 7th-day Sabbath keepers are actually saved, with the seal of God who keep the 10C law."

Well granted we are all likely in error about something. And we are told to break one commandment is the same as breaking them all. So no commandment is of any more importance than any other. However, to willingly reject God's true Sabbath which most of Christianity are doing is sin.(I was once Baptist too)


Mt.19:16 "And, behold, one came and said to him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said to him, Why call you me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if you will enter into life, keep the commandments. He said to him, Which? Jesus said, You shall do no murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and your mother: and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself."


Rev.22:14 "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."


Mt.5:19 "Whoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."


"Know you not, that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are to whom you obey; whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?" (Romans 6:16)


Ezek 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

Ezek 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that you may know that I am the LORD your God.


Some pastors will even claim the day was changed to resurrection Sunday but this is not true. Most just avoid the topic like the plague.
socci

Lawson, MO

#423260 Feb 17, 2013
7th Day Catholic Rocks wrote:
It does seem like they are the Apostles to Genitalia does it not ?

Pornocracy - rule by harlots

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#423261 Feb 17, 2013
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socci wrote:
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I hope they are but when I read my Bible it says only 7th-day Sabbath keepers are actually saved, with the seal of God who keep the 10C law. All of them. It's about who we follow, God's word or the pope in Rome's sun cult -- the cause of all world problems, that gets worse and worse every year.
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Mah words:
You have my interest....what Bible are you reading that says "only 7th-day Sabbath keepers are actually saved, with the seal of God who keep the 10C law."

You should have the answer to my very simple question "on the tip of your tongue"....is there a problem????
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#423262 Feb 17, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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You have my interest....what Bible are you reading that says "only 7th-day Sabbath keepers are actually saved, with the seal of God who keep the 10C law."
I confess my sins that I am guilty of not keeping the Commandments of God. Jesus did say If YOU LOVE ME Keep My Commandments.
I pray that my confession and by the blood of Christ I fall before that MERCY line of Grace. It was Peters condession that He was the Christ and the son of God that he would build his CHURCH.

However unlikesome of my brothers in Christ I do believe there will be Sabbath observers and those that go to church on other days of the week that will be saved by Faith in Christ as well by what he did not man.
Remember I we brake one we brake them all. I have failed at this miserably and not just by not keeping the Sabbath.
truth

Perth, Australia

#423263 Feb 17, 2013
Do you liked liars..no!
I don't liked them at all.
Your Creator created you..why you against him?
What he say..to be prodactive radajte volite se..as every woman what they can do..now all woman according your law not worthy.
Because Creator say love..its Creator commandment not Paul not anyone else not at all.
When Christ walk between them ..he repeat some..no biggest command only love.
You not love me less honor me.
You abuse me assault me reject me prosecuted me as well judge me.

Now its your love there..no.

Its your lips that's all..you liked be bigger then Creator.
7th Day Catholic Rocks

Poplar Bluff, MO

#423264 Feb 17, 2013
Oxbow wrote:
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socci wrote:
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I hope they are but when I read my Bible it says only 7th-day Sabbath keepers are actually saved, with the seal of God who keep the 10C law. All of them. It's about who we follow, God's word or the pope in Rome's sun cult -- the cause of all world problems, that gets worse and worse every year.
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Mah words:
You have my interest....what Bible are you reading that says "only 7th-day Sabbath keepers are actually saved, with the seal of God who keep the 10C law."
You should have the answer to my very simple question "on the tip of your tongue"....is there a problem????
Wow didn't even give the man 2 or 3 minutes til you posted this but he beat you to the punch......lol

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#423265 Feb 17, 2013
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socci wrote:
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Well granted we are all likely in error about something. And we are told to break one commandment is the same as breaking them all. So no commandment is of any more importance than any other. However, to willingly reject God's true Sabbath which most of Christianity are doing is sin.(I was once Baptist too)
Mt.19:16 "And, behold, one came and said to him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said to him, Why call you me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if you will enter into life, keep the commandments. He said to him, Which? Jesus said, You shall do no murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and your mother: and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
Rev.22:14 "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
Mt.5:19 "Whoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
"Know you not, that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are to whom you obey; whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?" (Romans 6:16)
Ezek 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.
Ezek 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that you may know that I am the LORD your God.
Some pastors will even claim the day was changed to resurrection Sunday but this is not true. Most just avoid the topic like the plague.
My question was and still is: what Bible are you reading that says "only 7th-day Sabbath keepers are actually saved, with the seal of God who keep the 10C law."

I am beginning to see a picture of you with one of your extremities in your mouth!!

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