Roman Catholic church only true church, says Vatican

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The VaticanA issued a document Tuesday restatingA its belief that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true church of Jesus Christ. Read more
Orville

Fairview, OR

#367329 Jun 23, 2012
Clay wrote:
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The Bible does not say Saints can't hear our request and pray for us.
The rosary is not vain repetition anymore then your repetitive reading of scripture verses .
Geez, you act like God gets annoyed at how much or often we praise Him. Vain repetition? Is that really what mat 6:7 is talking about?



Quote the Scripture.
Orville

Fairview, OR

#367330 Jun 23, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
Very early on in the Catholic Liturgy, the Lord's Prayer was concluded with a doxology (a prayer of praise),“For Thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever”. This was not part of the original Greek Scriptural text and consequently is not included in many modern Bible translations.
However, there are other non-Scriptural writings which have been preserved from the early days of the Church. It was here, where the doxology was first found in the important document called the "Didache," (written between 70-140 AD).“Didache”(Did-ah-kay) simply means 'teaching'. The “Our Father” in the Didache had the doxology tagged onto the end without the words “the kingdom”. The tradition of the doxology was carried into the Liturgy, and became so closely associated with the Lord's Prayer that it is now often mistaken to be part of the prayer itself. The words “the kingdom” were added later and are preserved in the document “The Apostolic Constitutions”(written 250-380 AD). The “Our Father” is contained twice in the Bible (Matt. 6:9-13; Luke 11:2-4) with no doxology for although very ancient, it is not found in the original manuscripts. This is simply a prayer from the believers in the early centuries of the Church whose spirits were moved by the Holy Spirit to close this beautiful prayer in grandiose fashion. These early writings never present it as an essential part of the “Our Father”, but rather an “embolism," (added prayer), intended to increase fervor and direct the intention of the faithful.
http://ourladyofsorrows.us/QotF/Doxology.htm




Quote the Scripture. Not a refernce to. Quote it/them. NOW!!!!!!
Orville

Fairview, OR

#367331 Jun 23, 2012
Clay wrote:
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You know, when we reduced ourselves to foolish ignorance, we sin against God by failing to use His gifts of reason and logic.
He gave you a brain....

Quote the Scripture. Not a refernce to. Quote it/them. NOW!!!!!!
Anthony MN

Minneapolis, MN

#367332 Jun 23, 2012
justachristian1 wrote:
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So are you now claiming you're dead, and have a supernatural, spiritual existence?
Only those who are born again of water and the Spirit have the possibility of supernatural faith.
Orville

Fairview, OR

#367333 Jun 23, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
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This is only partial. You left out at least half the rosary.
Also, the Hail Mary is scriptural as is the Our Father.
Of course, Catholics know this, non-Catholics do not.


Quote the Scripture. Not a refernce to. Quote it/them.
Orville

Fairview, OR

#367334 Jun 23, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
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?
Christ gave the care of our souls to His church (St. Peter) in John 21. St. Paul admonishes us to place ourselves under her care, as well, Hebrews 13.


Quote the Scripture. Not a reference to. Quote it/them.
Orville

Fairview, OR

#367335 Jun 23, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
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False.
You judge everyone and everything.
You just judged the Rosary and the prayer and devotion of over a billion people.
Shame on you. You will also be judged one day.



Quote the Scripture. Not a refernce to. Quote it/them. NOW!!!!!!
Orville

Fairview, OR

#367336 Jun 23, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
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Wishing for souls to be "cast into hell" is un-Christian.
Christ desires all to repent and come to Him, He wants no one to perish.
Sad that you do.



Quote the Scripture. Not a refernce to. Quote it/them. NOW!!!!!!
Orville

Fairview, OR

#367337 Jun 23, 2012
ReginaM wrote:
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Much of what you listed is scriptural, the rest are pious practices of devotion and prayer, many of which existed since the time of the Apostles.
The name of the Church is Catholic, not "Roman Catholic". That's something you people dreamed up, and I do mean dreamed.
Now you have something against convents and monasteries and people devoting their lives to God? LOL...... and you wonder why no one takes you seriously.



Quote the Scripture. Not a reference to. Quote it/them.

The name of the Church is Catholic, not "Roman Catholic".





http://www2.fiu.edu/~mirandas/cardinals.htm




So the proper name for the universal Church is not the Roman Catholic Church. Far from it. That term caught on mostly in English-speaking countries; it was promoted mostly by Anglicans, supporters of the "branch theory" of the Church, namely, that the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church of the creed was supposed to consist of three major branches, the Anglican, the Orthodox and the so-called Roman Catholic. It was to avoid that kind of interpretation that the English-speaking bishops at Vatican I succeeded in warning the Church away from ever using the term officially herself: It too easily could be misunderstood.

Today in an era of widespread dissent in the Church, and of equally widespread confusion regarding what authentic Catholic identity is supposed to consist of, many loyal Catholics have recently taken to using the term Roman Catholic in order to affirm their understanding that the Catholic Church of the Sunday creed is the same Church that is united =-ith the-- Vicar of Christ-- in Rome, the Pope.===

This understanding of theirs is correct, but such Catholics should nevertheless beware of using the term, not only because of its dubious origins in Anglican circles intending to suggest that there just might be some other Catholic Church around somewhere besides the Roman one: but also because it often still is used today to suggest that the Roman Catholic Church is something other and lesser than the Catholic Church of the creed. It is commonly used by some dissenting theologians, for example, who appear to be attempting to categorize the Roman Catholic Church as just another contemporary "Christian denomination"--



==not the body that is identical with the one,===== holy,====== catholic and apostolic Church of the creed.

http://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/churb3.ht...
Clay

United States

#367338 Jun 23, 2012
Orville wrote:
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Quote the Scripture. Not a refernce to. Quote it/them. NOW!!!!!!
As soon as you can quote the scripture that says the Bible is to be followed in the literal word for word sense, with the individual as the authority on interpretations.
This is what you believe, right?

So where is it found in scripture?
Orville

Fairview, OR

#367339 Jun 23, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
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God and His Catholic Church forbid the worship of any but the Blessed Trinity.
More slurs, lies, and insults from the justaphonycouchchristian paper pope.



Quote the Scriptures.
Clay

United States

#367340 Jun 23, 2012
Orville wrote:
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Yes, they do !!!
The Catholic church is the "only church" of "their ( many) christ.
When they state, "you will regret you abandoned Rome, Pope, ET"....
And the old ( lie), "it's been historically proven catholisim is the church founded by their first Pope, Peter."
Quote the scripture!!!! Now. quote it!!
Orville

Fairview, OR

#367341 Jun 23, 2012
Anthony MN wrote:
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Only those who are born again of water and the Spirit have the possibility of supernatural faith.



Quote the Scriptures.
Clay

United States

#367342 Jun 23, 2012
Orville wrote:
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From here on, ask them to quote the Scriptures to validate their stance.
if they do not. We know them to be false and not of Holy God.
Anthony Hojo, all of them make blind staments and questions. Always have. But have yet in some 2-3 years ever, used the Scriptures to validate their "man-logic"--Carnal agenda.
Quote the scripture!!!

Why? So you can counter attack with another verse?
All of Catholicism is somehow entwined with scripture.
Bible verse warfare is for fools.
We are not fools, and won't be suckered into this sinful game.

Show me sola scripture. Until then, put a sock in it.
Clay

United States

#367343 Jun 23, 2012
Orville wrote:
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Quote the Scripture. Not a reference to. Quote it/them.
The name of the Church is Catholic, not "Roman Catholic".
http://www2.fiu.edu/~mirandas/cardinals.htm
So the proper name for the universal Church is not the Roman Catholic Church. Far from it. That term caught on mostly in English-speaking countries; it was promoted mostly by Anglicans, supporters of the "branch theory" of the Church, namely, that the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church of the creed was supposed to consist of three major branches, the Anglican, the Orthodox and the so-called Roman Catholic. It was to avoid that kind of interpretation that the English-speaking bishops at Vatican I succeeded in warning the Church away from ever using the term officially herself: It too easily could be misunderstood.
Today in an era of widespread dissent in the Church, and of equally widespread confusion regarding what authentic Catholic identity is supposed to consist of, many loyal Catholics have recently taken to using the term Roman Catholic in order to affirm their understanding that the Catholic Church of the Sunday creed is the same Church that is united =-ith the-- Vicar of Christ-- in Rome, the Pope.===
This understanding of theirs is correct, but such Catholics should nevertheless beware of using the term, not only because of its dubious origins in Anglican circles intending to suggest that there just might be some other Catholic Church around somewhere besides the Roman one: but also because it often still is used today to suggest that the Roman Catholic Church is something other and lesser than the Catholic Church of the creed. It is commonly used by some dissenting theologians, for example, who appear to be attempting to categorize the Roman Catholic Church as just another contemporary "Christian denomination"--
==not the body that is identical with the one,===== holy,====== catholic and apostolic Church of the creed.
http://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/churb3.ht...
Again, it doesn't matter what the Church called itself. It is the only one started by the Apostles. Period.
Orville

Fairview, OR

#367344 Jun 23, 2012
Clay wrote:
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As soon as you can quote the scripture that says the Bible is to be followed in the literal word for word sense, with the individual as the authority on interpretations.
This is what you believe, right?
So where is it found in scripture?


Last time Clay. never again will I do this for your 'enjoyment". I and other have posted this answer some 300X's. You ignore it.

gallations I :6

marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


II Corinthians:

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. 5For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles. 6But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things.
7Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?


Orville

Fairview, OR

#367345 Jun 23, 2012
Clay wrote:
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Again, it doesn't matter what the Church called itself. It is the only one started by the Apostles. Period.




Quote the Scriptures.



Quote the Scriptures.




Quote the Scriptures.
Orville

Fairview, OR

#367346 Jun 23, 2012
Clay wrote:
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Again, it doesn't matter what the Church called itself. It is the only one started by the Apostles. Period.


"Know" suddenly it does not matter.

But you & Hojo are 100% refering to your "Catholic history">!!!


Except when you get busted in a lie. Then the former does not matter suddenly.
Orville

Fairview, OR

#367347 Jun 23, 2012
Clay wrote:
<quoted text>
Quote the scripture!!!
Why? So you can counter attack with another verse?
All of Catholicism is somehow entwined with scripture.
Bible verse warfare is for fools.
We are not fools, and won't be suckered into this sinful game.
Show me sola scripture. Until then, put a sock in it.



Sock opened:


gallations I :6

marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

II Corinthians:

But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. 5For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles. 6But though I be rude in speech, yet not in knowledge; but we have been throughly made manifest among you in all things.
7Have I committed an offence in abasing myself that ye might be exalted, because I have preached to you the gospel of God freely?

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#367348 Jun 23, 2012
marge wrote:
Hey Orville and Just, see you later have to go shopping, Blessings!
Have fun!!:)

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