Who Is Allah?

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“Allah is a very beautiful word for God. Shouldn't we all say that from now on we will name God Allah? [...] What does God care what we call him?”

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Buford

Hurricane, WV

#155745 Dec 9, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
I knew that you will come up with nothing but a one-liner.
The idea was that you could forward that post to ignorant Gilchrist, so that all ignorant fools at answering-Islam could get educated and the silent majority of the readers here could also understand that the only uniqueness of Jesus is that he was born of his own mother.
And it also showed the uniqueness of my dearest mother Maryam (Mary). So, she was also unique, not the son only.
Please raed and understand first, the forward this post again to those mentioned. Thanks
" Answering Gilchrist, the ignorant fool!
Please inform Gilchrist that there are no caps or capital letters in Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic.
The only UNIQUENESS of Jesus in Islam is, that he was the son of Mary, whom no man touched and she conceived Jesus by God's command. No man fathered Jesus.
In Qur'aan, Jesus is not the Word, WHICH IS USED IN CAPS by Christianity. That biblical word Word, has no place in Qur'aan.
In 4:171, the "word" was the message sent to Mary that she would conceive a child. And that word or promise was fulfilled. And Mary did not deliver 'a word or message', which was conveyed through Gabriel. She delivered baby Jesus.
Here is a translation in modern English by yours truly:
4:171 People of the Book! Do not cross the line in your religion and do not speak anything against Allah except the truth. This messiah Jesus, the son of Mary, was Allah’s messenger and fulfillment of word, He had conveyed to Mary and a soul from Him.
So believe in Allah and his messengers. Do not say,“Three”! Desist! It would be better for you. Indeed Allah is the only One God. He is too high in glory to have a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth, and Allah is enough as a Guardian."
So, the ruh or the soul of Jesus came from God. In other words, God gave life to the zygote or the foetus of brother Jesus.
"Kalimatim-min-allah " means "word from Allah" and "Kalimatim-minhu" means "word from Him". It is still from Allah.
Allah NEVER said in Qur'aan, "Jesus is my soul or my spirit or my word". "
Forward it to Gilchrist yourself, No Nails.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#155746 Dec 9, 2012
http://www.quranbrowser.com/cgi/bin/get.cgi...

Pickthall: O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease!(it is) better for you!- Allah is only One God. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.

Yusuf Ali: O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in God and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for God is one God: Glory be to Him:(far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs.

Shakir: O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.

Arberry: People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say not as to God but the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a Spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers, and say not,'Three.' Refrain; better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be to Him -- That He should have a son! To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth; God suffices for a guardian.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155748 Dec 9, 2012
Buford wrote:
http://www.quranbrowser.com/cg i/bin/get.cgi?searchstring=4:1 71
Pickthall: O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease!(it is) better for you!- Allah is only One God. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.
Yusuf Ali: O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in God and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for God is one God: Glory be to Him:(far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs.
Shakir: O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.
Arberry: People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say not as to God but the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a Spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers, and say not,'Three.' Refrain; better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be to Him -- That He should have a son! To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and in the earth; God suffices for a guardian.
Thanks for quoting various translations, which confirm the following:

1. That the people, who founded Christianity, crossed the red line and lied that God had a son.

2. That Jesus was nothing but just a messenger of God.

3. That Jesus was the fulfillment of the word or message given or committed to Mary and Jesus himself, was neither a Word or a word. Thus the 'Word' or 'word' refers not to Jesus.

4. That God gave life to Jesus, when he was in his mother's womb. So, his soul or spirit came FROM God, just as everybody's soul or spirit comes FROM God.

5. That Jesus was not the Spirit or Soul of God.

6. That God has no son.

7. That Trinity or the three of the Trinity, IS a lie.

8. That God is only One God. Glory be to Him, not to anybody else.

So brother Jesus is OUT! He has zero divinity.
Mahmood

Canada

#155749 Dec 9, 2012
Alex123 aka WM wrote:
<quoted text>
That's your problem. You are a bit short on insight.
What you were is critical to all this because you simply cannot understand the explanation that there is no contradiction.
You have a blind spot.
Just like the blind spot of hassan/hussanism because you were never a Muslim.
Seems you were not even a mohammadan, and certainly not fortunate enough to have been a pious loving caring Muslim.
That accounts for your convoluted blinkered way of thinking.
Why is there no contradiction?
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#155750 Dec 9, 2012
bmz wrote:
Thanks for quoting various translations, which confirm the following:
1. That the people, who founded Christianity, crossed the red line and lied that God had a son.
2. That Jesus was nothing but just a messenger of God.
3. That Jesus was the fulfillment of the word or message given or committed to Mary and Jesus himself, was neither a Word or a word. Thus the 'Word' or 'word' refers not to Jesus.
4. That God gave life to Jesus, when he was in his mother's womb. So, his soul or spirit came FROM God, just as everybody's soul or spirit comes FROM God.
5. That Jesus was not the Spirit or Soul of God.
6. That God has no son.
7. That Trinity or the three of the Trinity, IS a lie.
8. That God is only One God. Glory be to Him, not to anybody else.
So brother Jesus is OUT! He has zero divinity.
The passages from the Qur'an only PROVE that Mohammad believed certain things about Jesus and the nature of God that contradict what Christianity taught in his day and continues to teach about Jesus and the nature of God.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#155751 Dec 9, 2012
Borg3of7 wrote:
<quoted text>
& if they choose not to agree to this arrangement? Choosing a mate is a personal & private matter...not to be infringed upon by social edicts & certainly not a choice to be foisted upon children.
rabbee: does your union, please or displease G-D? is, a rather public matter. since it's effects, can effect people beyond the two in question. if your union resulted in, more calamity in the world. is that, a good thing?

if adam were to choose or be given with, a different mate. then all of you would cease to exist, the next time G-D gave this Story of Creation. you would never again, be resurrected.
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#155752 Dec 9, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
Greetings and welcome back, Borg.
Indeed but I was talking about the tribal culture. It happens mostly in the tribal areas.
Among modern and educated Muslims, there is no such problem.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22005...

British Muslim clerics are willing to carry out sharia marriages involving child brides as young as 12, an investigation has found.

Two imams said they would be prepared to officiate at the wedding of an underage girl to a man in his twenties, despite fears the pair would later have sex.
The revelations have led the Home Office to confirm that such ceremonies will be examined in the Government’s forthcoming Bill to outlaw forced marriages.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155753 Dec 9, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>The passages from the Qur'an only PROVE that Mohammad believed certain things about Jesus and the nature of God that contradict what Christianity taught in his day and continues to teach about Jesus and the nature of God.
The passages of Qur'aan prove that everything that Christianity taught, was totally wrong and was a lie. It taught what Jesus DID NOT teach. Period!

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155754 Dec 9, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22005...

British Muslim clerics are willing to carry out sharia marriages involving child brides as young as 12, an investigation has found.

Two imams said they would be prepared to officiate at the wedding of an underage girl to a man in his twenties, despite fears the pair would later have sex.

The revelations have led the Home Office to confirm that such ceremonies will be examined in the Government’s forthcoming Bill to outlaw forced marriages.
The two imams are nuts and dimwits. I hope the British Home Office forms a Muslim Marriage Bureau and only well-educated and approved Imams can perform marriages.

Forced marriages are not permitted in Islam.

If I were the investigative reporter, I would have asked the Imam, if he could let me have his 12 y.o. daughter in marriage.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#155755 Dec 9, 2012
bmz wrote:
The passages of Qur'aan prove that everything that Christianity taught, was totally wrong and was a lie. It taught what Jesus DID NOT teach. Period!
Braindead Muslim Zombie,

Your fundamental error is in believing that the Qur'aan proves anything at all beyond the fact that Mohammad believed that what he dictated to his scribes was the truth.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155756 Dec 9, 2012
@ Buford

Here is a copy of my email to Gilchrist and the best joke is that there is no email address given on answering-Islam site.

Hello, Gilchrist

I read an extract of your article here. That was posted by Buford.

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TT8...

I posted a few responses and asked the poster to send my response to you.

Instead, he asked me to send it to you.

I do not have your email address, so I have assumed it to be:

gilchrist@answering-islam.org

Hope you do get this email and if you do, please read the posts at Topix and email me back your comments.

Alternatively, you may post at Topix.

Thanks and best regards

B---

PS to Buford: I have given him my real name
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#155757 Dec 9, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22005...
British Muslim clerics are willing to carry out sharia marriages involving child brides as young as 12, an investigation has found.
Two imams said they would be prepared to officiate at the wedding of an underage girl to a man in his twenties, despite fears the pair would later have sex.
The revelations have led the Home Office to confirm that such ceremonies will be examined in the Government’s forthcoming Bill to outlaw forced marriages.
Stop sharia law in Britain, by Pat Condell
Frijoles

Madison, CT

#155758 Dec 9, 2012
bmz wrote:
<quoted text>
The two imams are nuts and dimwits. I hope the British Home Office forms a Muslim Marriage Bureau and only well-educated and approved Imams can perform marriages.
Forced marriages are not permitted in Islam.
If I were the investigative reporter, I would have asked the Imam, if he could let me have his 12 y.o. daughter in marriage.
I guess the point is that sometimes the most backward behavior is not in the primitive tribal areas, but right on our supposedly civilized doorsteps, hidden in various enclaves.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#155759 Dec 9, 2012
Let's blame the Jews, by Pat Condell

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155760 Dec 9, 2012
Buford wrote:
<quoted text>Braindead Muslim Zombie,
Your fundamental error is in believing that the Qur'aan proves anything at all beyond the fact that Mohammad believed that what he dictated to his scribes was the truth.
The point is that Christianity itself blows away most of the lies, it concocted. The Christian scripture is a load of lies.

So, when I read Qur'aan, I know it is saying the same thing that I found out.

For example, Qur'aan rejects Trinity or the three Gods of trinity. The Christian scripture is totally silent on this matter. Trinity is not there in the Bible. On top of that, I do not find Jesus telling the big lie that God is triune or a trinity. So, Qur'aan is right!

According to Qur'aan, Jesus was the messenger of God. According to Christianity, Jesus is God.

I don't find Jesus saying anywhere, "I am God" or " I am the begotten son of God." So, Qur'aan rightly points out that God has not begotten a son and since there is no other God besides God, Jesus is not God.

So, Qur'aan exposes the lies of Christianity and that really is a good thing. Right?

Muhammad believed in what was revealed to him. The founding fathers of the Church believed in what pagan philosophers and other Godless men told them.

bmz

Since: Mar 08

Singapore

#155761 Dec 9, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess the point is that sometimes the most backward behavior is not in the primitive tribal areas, but right on our supposedly civilized doorsteps, hidden in various enclaves.
I agree with that. Anyway, I consider that uncivilized.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#155763 Dec 9, 2012
bmz wrote:
@ Buford
Here is a copy of my email to Gilchrist and the best joke is that there is no email address given on answering-Islam site.
It took me about 20 seconds to find this email address on the answering-Islam site, here: http://www.answering-islam.org/dialog.html

The email address is dialog2011@answering-islam.de

IOW, the joke is on you.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#155764 Dec 9, 2012
bmz wrote:
The point is that Christianity itself blows away most of the lies, it concocted. The Christian scripture is a load of lies.
So, when I read Qur'aan, I know it is saying the same thing that I found out.
For example, Qur'aan rejects Trinity or the three Gods of trinity. The Christian scripture is totally silent on this matter. Trinity is not there in the Bible. On top of that, I do not find Jesus telling the big lie that God is triune or a trinity. So, Qur'aan is right!
According to Qur'aan, Jesus was the messenger of God. According to Christianity, Jesus is God.
I don't find Jesus saying anywhere, "I am God" or " I am the begotten son of God." So, Qur'aan rightly points out that God has not begotten a son and since there is no other God besides God, Jesus is not God.
So, Qur'aan exposes the lies of Christianity and that really is a good thing. Right?
Muhammad believed in what was revealed to him. The founding fathers of the Church believed in what pagan philosophers and other Godless men told them.
Braindead Muslim Zombie,

What is most clear is that you only believe what you want to believe about Jesus and the nature of God.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markdroberts/ser...
The Paradoxical Path to Lordship

In my last post I examined one of the very oldest bits of evidence for early Christian belief about Jesus. As you may recall, the original Greek text of 1 Corinthians 16:22 contains the Aramaic phrase, marana tha, which means,“Our Lord, come!” This shows that some of the very earliest Christians actually prayed to Jesus after his death and resurrection, even addressing him as “Lord,” a term used for God himself. So, though we can’t tell exactly what the first followers of Jesus believed about him, they surely held him to be much more than a man. In some way they related to Jesus as if he were God himself.

Another very early piece of early Christian belief confirms and expands upon this conclusion. In his letter to the Philippians, written during the mid- to late-50&#8242;s A.D., the Apostle Paul speaks of Christ in quite exalted language:

Let the same mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus,
who, though he was in the form of God,
did not regard equality with God
as something to be exploited,
but emptied himself,
taking the form of a slave,
being born in human likeness.
And being found in human form,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to the point of death–
even death on a cross.
Therefore God also highly exalted him
and gave him the name
that is above every name,
so that at the name of Jesus
every knee should bend,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father (Phil 2:5-11).

Notice that Christ, prior to becoming human, was in the form of God and possessed equality with God. Then, in light of his obedient death, God exalted him and gave him the very name of God so that all creation might bow before him and worship him as Lord. Clearly Jesus is no longer in the “merely human” category.

At the latest, this passage was written about 25 years after the death of Jesus – a testimony to early Christian belief. Yet many respectable scholars believe that Paul did not actually compose this text, but borrowed it from an earlier piece of Christian liturgy. The peculiar linguistic form of this passage, combined with its use of language that is unusual for Paul, combined with its “confessional” quality, have persuaded many New Testament scholars that Paul employed a hymn that had been written earlier than Philippians. Just how much earlier we can’t tell. But, once again, we have in Paul’s letters, which are themselves the earliest Christian documents available to us, a piece of tradition which quite possibly goes back to an earlier stage of Christian history. Of course even if Paul composed the hymn in Philippians 2:5-11, it still counts as early Christian belief about Jesus.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#155765 Dec 9, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess the point is that sometimes the most backward behavior is not in the primitive tribal areas, but right on our supposedly civilized doorsteps, hidden in various enclaves.
rabbee: what do you mean: sometimes? calling ourselves civilized, is only a means of self deceoption. pestilence, plague, and famine including globaal warming, are indications of anti-civilization.
Buford

Hurricane, WV

#155766 Dec 9, 2012
bmz wrote:
The point is that Christianity itself blows away most of the lies, it concocted. The Christian scripture is a load of lies.
So, when I read Qur'aan, I know it is saying the same thing that I found out.
For example, Qur'aan rejects Trinity or the three Gods of trinity. The Christian scripture is totally silent on this matter. Trinity is not there in the Bible. On top of that, I do not find Jesus telling the big lie that God is triune or a trinity. So, Qur'aan is right!
According to Qur'aan, Jesus was the messenger of God. According to Christianity, Jesus is God.
I don't find Jesus saying anywhere, "I am God" or " I am the begotten son of God." So, Qur'aan rightly points out that God has not begotten a son and since there is no other God besides God, Jesus is not God.
So, Qur'aan exposes the lies of Christianity and that really is a good thing. Right?
Muhammad believed in what was revealed to him. The founding fathers of the Church believed in what pagan philosophers and other Godless men told them.
What is most clear is that you believe only whatever confirms your assumptions.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/markdroberts/ser...
The Paradoxical Path to Lordship

In my last post I examined one of the very oldest bits of evidence for early Christian belief about Jesus. As you may recall, the original Greek text of 1 Corinthians 16:22 contains the Aramaic phrase, marana tha, which means,“Our Lord, come!” This shows that some of the very earliest Christians actually prayed to Jesus after his death and resurrection, even addressing him as “Lord,” a term used for God himself. So, though we can’t tell exactly what the first followers of Jesus believed about him, they surely held him to be much more than a man. In some way they related to Jesus as if he were God himself.

Another very early piece of early Christian belief confirms and expands upon this conclusion. In his letter to the Philippians, written during the mid- to late-50&#8242;s A.D., the Apostle Paul speaks of Christ in quite exalted language:

Let the same mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus,
who, though he was in the form of God,
did not regard equality with God
as something to be exploited,
but emptied himself,
taking the form of a slave,
being born in human likeness.
And being found in human form,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to the point of death–
even death on a cross.
Therefore God also highly exalted him
and gave him the name
that is above every name,
so that at the name of Jesus
every knee should bend,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father (Phil 2:5-11).

Notice that Christ, prior to becoming human, was in the form of God and possessed equality with God. Then, in light of his obedient death, God exalted him and gave him the very name of God so that all creation might bow before him and worship him as Lord. Clearly Jesus is no longer in the “merely human” category.

At the latest, this passage was written about 25 years after the death of Jesus – a testimony to early Christian belief. Yet many respectable scholars believe that Paul did not actually compose this text, but borrowed it from an earlier piece of Christian liturgy. The peculiar linguistic form of this passage, combined with its use of language that is unusual for Paul, combined with its “confessional” quality, have persuaded many New Testament scholars that Paul employed a hymn that had been written earlier than Philippians. Just how much earlier we can’t tell. But, once again, we have in Paul’s letters, which are themselves the earliest Christian documents available to us, a piece of tradition which quite possibly goes back to an earlier stage of Christian history. Of course even if Paul composed the hymn in Philippians 2:5-11, it still counts as early Christian belief about Jesus.

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