Filipinos pack capital for Catholic p...

Filipinos pack capital for Catholic procession

There are 262 comments on the The State story from Jan 9, 2013, titled Filipinos pack capital for Catholic procession. In it, The State reports that:

Hundreds of thousands of mostly barefoot Roman Catholic devotees joined a raucous procession through the streets of the Philippine capital Wednesday in an annual ritual to demonstrate faith and seek miracle cures for illnesses and a good life.

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ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#108 Feb 15, 2013
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
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Did Jesus teach that one should corrupt the Bible in order to exalt oneself? Pope Benedict is acting in a pretty humble way.
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Cretin Atheist,

The Iglesia ni Cristo does not have Her own translation of the Bible but the Roman Catholic Church have some!!! And the Bible explicitly mentions that nothing should be added or subtracted to it:

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Rev. 22:18-19, KJV)

It is the Roman Catholic Church and the Protestant cults which corrupted the Bible as could be gleaned from what they believed and preached:

"34. Q. Who is Jesus Christ?
"A.--Jesus Christ is God the Son who became man."
"34. T. Sino si Jesucristo?
"S.--Si Jesucristo ay ang Diyos Anak na naging tao."

Reference:(Catholic Catechism, Book One. p. 62. Sydney: E.J. Dwyer, 1962.)

Catholic and Protestant teachings that Christ is God the Son are diametrically opposed by the Scriptures!!! The Bible introduces the Lord Jesus Christ as the Son of God and not "God the Son." God Himself declared in Matthew 3:17 the following:

"And suddenly 'a voice came from heaven, saying,'This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased'." (New King James Version)

The apostles also acknowledge Christ as the Son of God:

"Simon Peter answered and said,'You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God'." (Mt. 16:16, Ibid.)

Apostle Peter said it clear that Christ is the Son of the living God, not the living God Himself. Apostle Paul further proves that Christ is not God by distinguishing Him from the one true God. This he states:

"For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus." (l Tim. 2:5, Ibid.)

The verse from Apostle Paul proves that Christ is man and not God. He distinguished Christ from God by stating that there is "one Mediator between God and men, the Man Jesus Christ." Aside from this, he made it clear that there is only one God, not two, nor three. Who is the one God whom Apostle Paul and the early Christians recognized? Was It Christ? Apostle Paul answers this in his first epistle to the Corinthians:

"Yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live." (l Cor. 8:6, Ibid.)

True Christians recognize the Father in heaven as the only one true God. As discussed earlier, the Bible doesn't introduce Christ as the Father, but as the Son Of God. Hence, it was not Christ whom the Apostles and the early Christians recognized as God but the Father in heaven. This is not surprising since Christ Himself taught this truth:

"Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You.

"And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only tyrue God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent'." (Jn. 17:1,3, Ibid.)
Christ also distinguishes Himself from the true God. The true God is the Father who is in heaven while Christ is the Son and the One sent by the Father to make known the truth about God.

All Roman Catholics, Atheists, Protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Bereans, Baptists, Seventh-day Adventists, members of the American cults, skeptics, and agnostics must improve their low I.Q.s!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#111 Feb 16, 2013
Ozzy wrote:
Iglesia ni Cristo has only "emerged" from the Philippines because there are some fool hearted filipinos to follow it. It has not emerged with any other culture, race, ethnicity, or any other country. Yes, there are INC churches in other countries but they are filled with 99%+ filipinos. No one else believes in their lies. As I have said before, if filipinos ever turn their back on INC, INC will cease to exist.
Ozzy,

The Iglesia ni Cristo (Church of Christ) reemerged in the Philippines because of God's will!!! It is not like Catholicism and Protestantism which came to the Philippines only by virtue of landgrabbing and colonialism instincts inspire by Satan!!!

Aside from the members of the first-century Church of Christ, there are also other sheep or people whom Christ acknowledges as His own. Christ has "other sheep" who would hear His voice and become one flock:

"And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also must I bring , and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd." (John 10:16, NKJV)

Notice that those who are being referred to here not only recognize Christ but are also recognized by Him as His own. As the sheep who constitute the first-century Church belonged to Christ, the "other sheep" would also be made as one fold or flock. These "other sheep" are distinguished from the Jews and Gentiles who were referred to as the sheep of Christ who belonged to the fold of flock during the time of the apostles. Apostle Paul states:

"Even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?" (Rom. 9:24, Ibid.)

What else is the proof that the 'other sheep" prophesied in John 10:16 were not from the time and place of the apostles? Let us again quote Christ's declaration in John 10:16, this time from the Easy-to Read New Testament Version:

"I have other sheep too. They are not in the flock here. I must lead them also. They will listen to my voice. In the future there will be one flock and one shepherd."

Moreover, according to Apostle Peter, there would be another group of God's people who would come from "afar" or "from distant times and places" (Acts 2:39, NKJV and Rieu Translation).

There are three groups of people---the Jewish and Gentile converts in the first century, and those from distant times and places---that comprise the Church built by our Lord Jesus Christ.

Post 1...to be continued

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#112 Feb 16, 2013
Post 2...to be continued.

The fulfillment of Christ's other sheep

The third group that would come from a far place and time were not yet called during the time of the apostles. The prophecy states that they would be called by God from distant times and places. Others have the mistake of believing that those who are from afar off refer to the Gentiles because the Bible mentions that the Gentile converts used to be "far away." The Gnetiles, however, were not considered far away in the sense that they were apart from God because they were not in union with Jesus Christ (Eph. 2:11, 13, 17, Today's English Version). But in actuality, the Gentile converts comprised the group of God's people or those whom Apostle Peter referred to as "your children." They were the fruits of the evangelical works of the Jews and of Apostle Paul. We must also understand that the Jews and the Gentiles belonged only to one fold and coexisted within the same period of time (Gal. 2:8).

Where and when then would the prophesied "other sheep" of our Lord Jesus Christ or the third group emerge? The Bible clarified the time and the far place where the third group of God's people would be found:

"From the far east will I bring your offspring, and from the far west I will gather you." (Isaiah 43:5, Moffatt Translation)

And in Isaiah 43:5-6, it says:

"Fear not, for I am with you; I will bring your descendants from the east, and gather you from the west; I will say to the north,'Give them up!' And to the south,' Do not keep them back!' Bring My sons from afar, and My daughters from the ends of the earth." (NKJV)

There are offspring or children of God who would emerge from the Far East at the period biblically known as "ends of the earth." These people are the "other sheep" of Christ and the ones prophesied by the apostles who would come from distant times and places. In a related prophecy, the Far East or place of origin of God's people is described as "islands of the sea" (Isaiah 24:15, New International Version)

The fulfillmet of this prophesied group of God's people is none other than the Church of Christ that emerged in the Philippines. The Philippines, composed of more than 7,100 islands is a country that is geographically situated in the Far East.

to be continied....

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#113 Feb 16, 2013
Post 3...End.

Regarding the time of their emergence, Christ said that His "other sheep" would be gathered "in the future" (John 10:16, Easy-to Read New Testament). The period of the emergence of Christ's other sheep or God's children in the Far East is known as the "ends of the earth" (Isaiah 43:6). The expression "ends of the earth" refers to the period when the end is about to come (i Cor. 10:11, TEV) or, as Christ said, "it is near, even at the doors" (Mt. 24:33, King James Version).

This biblical period would begin with a war of global proportions (Mt. 24:6-8). This war as described in the Scriptures, would utilize "chariots like whirlwinds" and "horses swifter than eagles" (Isaiah 34:1-3; Jer. 4:11-13, 19). The fulfillment of this prophesied war is World War I, which broke out on July 27, 1914. This war was the first war to utilize tanks [chariots like whirlwinds] and airplanes [horses swifter than eagles](World History, pp. 478-479; Story of the Great War, p. 291).

Historians document the emergence of the Iglesia ni Cristo or the Church of Christ, as can be read in a book entitled, Dynamic Religious Movements:

"The Iglesia ni Cristo is significant not only in the Philippines . As one of the largest, most powerful and dynamic independent, indigenous churches in the Third World, the Ighlesia ni Cristo demands our careful study.

"What is the story of the Iglesia ni Cristo? Can we discover the reasons for its remarkable growth? Why has it been so successful in propagating its teachings in areas where other churches have grown only with difficulty?

"The date of official registration was July 27, 1914, the day which witnessed the beginning of the First World War." (pp. 85, 88)

There is no doubt that the Church of Christ that emerged in the Philippines is the fulfillment of the prophecy about the "other sheep" of Christ---those recognized by the Savior as His own and regarded by God as His sons and daughters in these last days.

The members of the Church of Christ has the firm assurance of Christ's promise of eternal life. Thus, they are certain to inherit God's promises on Judgment Day.

End.

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
lol

San Francisco, CA

#114 Feb 17, 2013
Revelation 4:11 ESV / 5 helpful votes

“Worthy are you, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they existed and were created.”

Elias preach the words of the Lord and you will be saved from purgatory.

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#115 Feb 17, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
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Cretin Atheist,
Pope Benedict XVI exalted himself as God when he arrogated unto himself the title of being the spiritual father!!!Which teaching has the man of sin broken with the intention of making himself equal with God? In Matthew 23:9 is our Lord Jesus Christ's pronouncement:
"Do not call anyone on earth your father; for one is your Father, He who is heaven." [Ibid.]
So, why does the word used to describe a male parent exist?
Are you still bitter because that African American soldier who impregnated that Filipina whore you call 'Mom' abandoned you?
It is forebidden that anyone on earth be called by the Fatherhood of God who is in heaven. There is only one Father who is in heaven, and it is not proper to call anyone on earth by that Fatherhood.
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
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Don Quixote of Guam must have forgotten these choice verses.
1) Acts 7:32
‘I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.’ Moses trembled with fear and did not dare to look.
2) Romans 4:18
Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him,“So shall your offspring be.”
3) Galatians 1:14
I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers.
4) Ephesians 5:31
“For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”
5)1 Thessalonians 2:11
For you know that we dealt with each of you as a father deals with his own children,
6) 1 Timothy 5:1
Do not rebuke an older man harshly, but exhort him as if he were your father. Treat younger men as brothers.
7) Hebrews 12:5
And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says,“My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you.
8) 1 John 2:13
I am writing to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I am writing to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one.
9) Matthew 1:2
Abraham was the father of Isaac,Isaac the father of Jacob,Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,
10) Matthew 4:21
Going on from there, he saw two other brothers, James son of Zebedee and his brother John. They were in a boat with their father Zebedee, preparing their nets. Jesus called them, and immediately they left the boat and their father and followed him.
11) Matthew 10:21
“Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death.
12) Matthew 21:30
“Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered,‘I will, sir,’ but he did not go.
That's a cool dozen, huh? How is it that an atheist knows more about the Bible than an INC stooge? Oh, that's right...I am allowed to think freely!
I especially loved the last few verses. You see, Matthew wrote them. He has a half dozen more but I left those out for brevity sake. I hope the message is loud and clear.

A parting shot from Matthew, since Don Quixote of Guam appreciates his thoughts.

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean." (~Matthew 23:25)

The Iglesia ni Culto drinks from a toilet.

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#116 Feb 17, 2013
Anyone else notice how Don Quixote of Guam continues to quote from private books (usually pretty old, by the way) rather than official Vatican doctrine?
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#117 Feb 18, 2013
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
Anyone else notice how Don Quixote of Guam continues to quote from private books (usually pretty old, by the way) rather than official Vatican doctrine?
Cretin Atheist,

So, you are admitting that your client Catholic priests are using the doctrines of Satan??? That is a good info from you!!!

Of all atheists, you have the lowest I.Q.!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Catholic Girl

United States

#118 Feb 18, 2013
I have found the Philopinos' to be quite serious in their beliefs of the catholic faith. They have much love in their hearts for their faith and are very dramatic in their processions and celebrations. Sometimes when there are large crowds of people, things happen. This is no reflection on the peoples beliefs.

Blessed be God Forever!
Trust in God.

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#119 Feb 18, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
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Cretin Atheist,
So, you are admitting that your client Catholic priests are using the doctrines of Satan??? That is a good info from you!!!
Of all atheists, you have the lowest I.Q.!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
1) They are not 'my Catholic priests'.

2) They are speaking their opinions. Freedom allows for that.

3) It is truly impressive that you believe Jesus wants you to attack his Christian followers.

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#120 Feb 18, 2013
It is evident that I, an atheist, knows the Bible better than Don Quixote of Guam. His demons are severe.

Since: Feb 13

Location hidden

#121 Feb 18, 2013
Catholic Girl wrote:
I have found the Philopinos' to be quite serious in their beliefs of the catholic faith. They have much love in their hearts for their faith and are very dramatic in their processions and celebrations. Sometimes when there are large crowds of people, things happen. This is no reflection on the peoples beliefs.
Blessed be God Forever!
Trust in God.
Yeah, You'll notice in the 1st EDSA Revolution that we don't want bloodshed between people and military against the tanks and guns vs rosaries,flowers, and bibles, people and their faith show love not war. Actually, our other Fellow Filipinos too like the Muslims. I am a catholic, I guess we should just respect each other's belief than bashing other's belief like some people, We actually want to have a better relationship to other Non-Catholics, well in any religion there is always bad and good people & it's up to us on how we apply it and be a better person. But anyways, we cannot please everyone but If we just learn to respect each other then we will live in a Peaceful World. Religion is one of the reason why people usually fight lol.. I notice that.
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#122 Feb 21, 2013
lol wrote:
Revelation 4:11 ESV / 5 helpful votes
“Worthy are you, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they existed and were created.”
Elias preach the words of the Lord and you will be saved from purgatory.
Lol,

Yes, God is the creator of all things!!! It is not Christ nor the Holy Spirit!!! But your Catholic Church in order to justify her false doctrine about the Holy Trinity taught that God has Co-creators!!! It is a lie again!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
lol

San Francisco, CA

#124 Feb 21, 2013
Yes Elias, remember God is asking you to preach His words, not anger or boastful talks of Satan.
Pad

Fishers, IN

#125 Feb 21, 2013
Just visiting,I usually go on the thread "Roman Catholic Church,only true church says the Pope."

I don't understand how anyone can look at the words concerning Christ (SON of GOD) and not realize there is more to His Person than just being a man, or a son,as with many sons?

John 3: 16 which by the way was said from the very mouth of Jesus Himself,"For God so loved the world that He gave His only BEGOTTEN Son,that whosoever believes in Him will not perish,but have everlasting life."

Only BEGOTTEN,means that Jesus is from the very essence of the Father,no other son in heaven,angels or earthly sons are begotten of God the Father.Jesus is much much more than just a Son who is accompanied along with other sons,as stated in JOB"One day as the angels came to present themselves before the Lord, SATAN, the Accuser,came with them." JOB 1:4. In the King James it says S o n s not angels.

The Mormons believe that Jesus was a son as Lucifer was a son,on equal par,Jesus chose the right way,and total obediece to the Father,and ultimately Lucifer rebelled against God and led an insurrection.

But Jesus is not a son in equal par with Lucifer,because H e in fact is stated by the very word of Jesus the only begotten of the Father.THAT is clearly not a created being,but of the very Essence of the Father,coming from as it were the loins of the Father,or birth from the Godhead.

Jesus as a n angel and in equal par with Lucifer and the other angels would not have been singaled out as being more dear to the Father.But as a Father to a biological son,the Father claims that Jesus is His Son(beloved) and most dear to Him twice in the New Testament,once in the presence of John the Baptist,and at the transfiguration.

It is not God's plan to exalt one angel above another so that a particular angel would be able to sit at His right hand,and sharaing the ultimate GLORY of the Father with Him.

Jesus is unique,and that is the reason why we must consider with what the Scriptures say,He is indeed God,as being of the same substance with the FATHER who is Creator blest.

Consider in Isaiah chapters 38-46,G O D declares Himself alone as the only Savior,"I AM the LORD, and there is no other Savior." Isaiah 43:11.YET the Lord Jesus Christ is called Savior throughout the New Testament,by the Apostles in the Epistles especially. How can Jesus be the Savior if The Father in Isaiah proclaims He is the ONLY Savior? In Hosea also the Father declares Himself as the only Savior.

It states in Isaiah also that every knee shall bow,and tongue confess to the glory of the Father or GOD,and in Thessalonians Jesus is also the ONE whom every knee shall bow to and every tongue confess that He is L o r d.

YET in Isaiah,it states that God says"Who is my equal,who can you compare me to?" In other words N O one.Nevertheless His Son Jesus is Savior,and Lord,and bowed to and confessed as the Lord,and the Son of Glory.

You have to weigh all the truth of what is said in both the Old and New Testaments concerning both God our Father,and His Son Jesus.

Even when Jesus said He was not Good but only the Father,He referred to the limited flesh He was in as the Son of Man.Jesus was both the Son of Man,and the Son of God!
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#126 Feb 22, 2013
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
<quoted text>
So, why does the word used to describe a male parent exist?
Are you still bitter because that African American soldier who impregnated that Filipina whore you call 'Mom' abandoned you?
<quoted text>.
Don Quixote of Guam must have forgotten these choice verses.
1) Acts 7:32
‘I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.’ Moses trembled with fear and did not dare to look.
2) Romans 4:18
Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him,“So shall your offspring be.”
3) Galatians 1:14
I was advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers.
4) Ephesians 5:31
“For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”
5)1 Thessalonians 2:11
For you know that we dealt with each of you as a father deals with his own children,
6) 1 Timothy 5:1
Do not rebuke an older man harshly, but exhort him as if he were your father. Treat younger men as brothers.
7) Hebrews 12:5
And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says,“My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you.
8) 1 John 2:13
I am writing to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I am writing to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one.
9) Matthew 1:2
Abraham was the father of Isaac,Isaac the father of Jacob,Jacob the father of Judah and his brothers,
10) Matthew 4:21
Going on from there, he saw two other brothers, James son of Zebedee and his brother John. They were in a boat with their father Zebedee, preparing their nets. Jesus called them, and immediately they left the boat and their father and followed him.
11) Matthew 10:21
“Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death.
12) Matthew 21:30
“Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered,‘I will, sir,’ but he did not go.
That's a cool dozen, huh? How is it that an atheist knows more about the Bible than an INC stooge? Oh, that's right...I am allowed to think freely!
I especially loved the last few verses. You see, Matthew wrote them. He has a half dozen more but I left those out for brevity sake. I hope the message is loud and clear.
Cretin Atheist,

You are really of low I.Q.!!! You have a poor comprehension in English!!! Calling your biological father as "father" is not a biblical prohibition!!! For what is prohibited is the calling of someone on earth as a spiritual Father:

"Do not call anyone on earth your father; for one is your Father, He who is heaven." [Ibid.]

It is forebidden that anyone on earth be called by the Fatherhood of God who is in heaven. There is only one Father who is in heaven, and it is not proper to call anyone on earth by that Fatherhood. What kind of Father is God according to the Apostles? In Hebrews 12:9, this is what can be read:

"In the case of our human fathers, they punished us and we respected them. How much more, then, should we submit to our spiritual Father and live!" (TEV)

There are two kinds of fathers: one is the human father, the other is the spiritual Father. Who are the men who have themselves called spiritual Fathers?

In the Catholic book entitled, The Faith of Our Fathers, which was written by James Cardinal Gibbons, on page 113, this is what can be read:

"The popes were not only devoted spiritual Fathers, but firm and valiant civil Governors."

Christ forbids any man having himself called father like God is Father. Popes and priests are being called by Catholic faithfuls as "Holy Father", "Father", or "Padre"!!!

Improve your low I.Q. and pedigrees!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#127 Feb 22, 2013
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
<quoted text>
A parting shot from Matthew, since Don Quixote of Guam appreciates his thoughts.
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26 Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean." (~Matthew 23:25)
The Iglesia ni Culto drinks from a toilet.
Cretin Atheist,

Your parting shot went kaput because of your low I.Q.!!! Improve your pedigrees and keep in mind that what is being prohibited by Christ is calling anyone on earth with the spiritual Fatherhood of God and just like what popes and priest do when they allow themselves to be called as "Holy Father", "Father", or "Padre"!!!

Go back to kindergarten and improve your low I.Q.!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#129 Feb 23, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
Cretin Atheist,
You are really of low I.Q.!!! You have a poor comprehension in English!!! Calling your biological father as "father" is not a biblical prohibition!!! For what is prohibited is the calling of someone on earth as a spiritual Father:
"Do not call anyone on earth your father; for one is your Father, He who is heaven." [Ibid.]
That does not state anything about paternity, stooge.

Jesus must have been confused because just a few verses later, he use the word 'fathers' while continuing his rant about hypocrisy.

"“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous, saying,‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’~ Matthew 23, 29-30

Maybe, like St. Thomas, he was mistaken. ROTFLMAO!

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#130 Feb 23, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
Cretin Atheist,
Your parting shot went kaput because of your low I.Q.!!! Improve your pedigrees and keep in mind that what is being prohibited by Christ is calling anyone on earth with the spiritual Fatherhood of God and just like what popes and priest do when they allow themselves to be called as "Holy Father", "Father", or "Padre"!!!
Go back to kindergarten and improve your low I.Q.!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
That is not what was written in the Bible. Look at Matthew 23 again.

"And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven."

It is truly interesting that the author of that piece uses a capital letter to designate God. He also uses the word 'father' not Holy Father, Pope or Padre. Jesus was making the point that God is the true Father. No priest nor Pope believe himself to be God. It is a term of reverence given by faithful, not a descriptor.

How embarrassing it must be for you to continually be crushed by an atheist? LOL!
ELIAS IBARRA

Guam

#131 Feb 26, 2013
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
<quoted text>
That does not state anything about paternity, stooge.
Jesus must have been confused because just a few verses later, he use the word 'fathers' while continuing his rant about hypocrisy.
"“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous, saying,‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’~ Matthew 23, 29-30
Maybe, like St. Thomas, he was mistaken. ROTFLMAO!
Cretin Atheist,

Stop pretending that your pedigrees allow you to understand the Bible!!! Christ is mentioning in the verses the "patriarchs" or the "forefathers" of the nation of Israel and not the Fatherhood of God which Christ prohibited for use by anyone on earth!!! The Fatherhood of God is being usurped by Catholic popes and priests!!!

You have a very poor English comprehension!!! Of all atheists, you have the lowest I.Q!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

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