Florida Catholics called on to support religious freedom, anti-abortion amendments

There are 277 comments on the The Florida Times-Union story from Oct 14, 2012, titled Florida Catholics called on to support religious freedom, anti-abortion amendments. In it, The Florida Times-Union reports that:

Pray and keep the faith but also spread the word, a panel from the Florida Conference of Catholic Bishops told about 300 people Saturday in Jacksonville regarding the importance of amending Florida's Constitution governing abortion and religious freedom.

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Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#21 Oct 16, 2012
Tondaleyo wrote:
<quoted text>The govt is forcing us to pay for it, if we don't we are fined or jailed. That is not what our Country is or stands for, forcing to pay for contraceptives,abortion is not religious freedom,its communism. So you think that if you don't agree with paying for someones lifestyle/contraceptives that we should be arrested?
If a Catholic employer pays an employee a wage and that employee uses the money to buy contraceptives that employer has nothing to say about how the employee uses the wages paid.
If a Catholic employer provides health insurance as part of an employeeís wage that employee has the right to use that health insurance to buy contraceptives and the employer has nothing to say about how the employee uses that insurance.
Either way the employee gets to decide in a free society.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#22 Oct 16, 2012
CUA isn't accredited to give doctorate; at least, not doctorates recognized by other institutes of higher education.

And he's STILL not a flippin' lawyer.
Tondaleyo wrote:
<quoted text> You couldn't make it through Intro toPhylosophy,lol. was the first of five children born to Shirley Radcliffe Dolan and the late Robert Dolan. In 1964, he began his high school seminary education at St. Louis Preparatory Seminary South in Shrewsbury, Mo. His seminary foundation continued at Cardinal Glennon College, where he earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in philosophy. He then completed his priestly formation at the Pontifical North American College in Rome where he earned a License in Sacred Theology at the Pontifical University of St. Thomas.
Cardinal Dolan was ordained to the priesthood on June 19, 1976. He then served as associate pastor at Immacolata Parish in Richmond Heights, Mo., until 1979 when he began studies for a doctorate in American Church History at the Catholic University of America. Before completing the doctorate, he spent a year researching the late Archbishop Edwin O'Hara, a founder of the Catholic Biblical Association. Archbishop O'Hara's life and ministry was the subject of the Archbishop's doctoral dissertation.
On his return to St. Louis, Cardinal Dolan served in parish ministry from 1983-87, during which time he was also liaison for the late Archbishop John L. May in the restructuring of the college and theology programs of the archdiocesan seminary system.
In 1987, Cardinal Dolan was appointed to a five-year term as secretary to the Apostolic Nunciature in Washington, D.C. When he returned to St. Louis in 1992, he was appointed vice rector of Kenrick-Glennon Seminary, serving also as director of Spiritual Formation and professor of Church History. He was also an adjunct professor of theology at Saint Louis University.
Tondaleyo

Muscotah, KS

#23 Oct 16, 2012
Big Al wrote:
<quoted text>
Nobody can force anybody to eat pork and nobody prevent anybody from eating pork if they so choose.
Nobody can force anybody to have an abortion and nobody can prevent anybody from having an abortion if they so choose.
Yet the govt will force religious groups who appose artificial birth control and abortion to pay for someone's birth control pills and if they don't pay,they are heavily fined and sent to prison.
Tondaleyo

Muscotah, KS

#24 Oct 16, 2012
cpeter1313 wrote:
CUA isn't accredited to give doctorate; at least, not doctorates recognized by other institutes of higher education.
And he's STILL not a flippin' lawyer.
<quoted text>
Dolan HAS a doctorate, you have nothing. You have no idea what you are posting about, you are a meally EMO who spends his days in a *day room *.
Tondaleyo

Muscotah, KS

#25 Oct 16, 2012
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#26 Oct 17, 2012
Tondaleyo wrote:
<quoted text>Yet the govt will force religious groups who appose artificial birth control and abortion to pay for someone's birth control pills and if they don't pay,they are heavily fined and sent to prison.
Government spends a lot of taxpayer money on things that individual taxpayers donít agree with. Not everyone agreed that the attack on Saddam Hussein was necessary. Thatís a part of living in a free, diverse society where everyone has a right to his/her own individual beliefs and opinions and to disagree with what our government does. Whether you believed the war in Iraq was right or wrong your tax money paid for it.

Congress decided that employers should provide healthcare insurance for their employees. Abortion and contraception have been determined legal forms of healthcare in this country. No employee should be deprived of any type of healthcare they choose because their employer doesnít believe it is proper.

You have a right to disagree that abortion and contraception should be legal but you donít have a right to do anything to prevent your employees or any other American from using those forms of healthcare, simply because it is contrary to your beliefs. NOBODY IS FORCING ANYBODY TO HAVE AN ABORTION OR USE CONTRACEPTIVES.
Tondaleyo

Muscotah, KS

#27 Oct 17, 2012
Big Al wrote:
<quoted text>
Government spends a lot of taxpayer money on things that individual taxpayers donít agree with. Not everyone agreed that the attack on Saddam Hussein was necessary. Thatís a part of living in a free, diverse society where everyone has a right to his/her own individual beliefs and opinions and to disagree with what our government does. Whether you believed the war in Iraq was right or wrong your tax money paid for it.
Congress decided that employers should provide healthcare insurance for their employees. Abortion and contraception have been determined legal forms of healthcare in this country. No employee should be deprived of any type of healthcare they choose because their employer doesnít believe it is proper.
You have a right to disagree that abortion and contraception should be legal but you donít have a right to do anything to prevent your employees or any other American from using those forms of healthcare, simply because it is contrary to your beliefs. NOBODY IS FORCING ANYBODY TO HAVE AN ABORTION OR USE CONTRACEPTIVES.
We have the right to not pay for something we consider evil and against our religion. The govt will be forcing our clergy and lay people to pay fines and goto jail. Thats not the American way, its communism. You can disagree onthe Iraq war,but no one is jailed for disagreeing with it,not yet anyway if one disagrees with paying for contraceptions and abortions, they will be. We are being forced.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#28 Oct 17, 2012
Tondaleyo wrote:
<quoted text>We have the right to not pay for something we consider evil and against our religion. The govt will be forcing our clergy and lay people to pay fines and goto jail. Thats not the American way, its communism. You can disagree onthe Iraq war,but no one is jailed for disagreeing with it,not yet anyway if one disagrees with paying for contraceptions and abortions, they will be. We are being forced.
I suppose you think it was better when the Church forced everybody to believe what they taught or be burned at the stake?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#29 Oct 17, 2012
It's not an accredited doctorate. You can buy a doctorate online if you want; it will mean nothing.
Tondaleyo wrote:
<quoted text> Dolan HAS a doctorate, you have nothing. You have no idea what you are posting about, you are a meally EMO who spends his days in a *day room *.
Tondaleyo

Muscotah, KS

#30 Oct 17, 2012
Big Al wrote:
<quoted text>
I suppose you think it was better when the Church forced everybody to believe what they taught or be burned at the stake?
So you must be a communist who thinks believing in religious liberty is a crime.
Tondaleyo

Muscotah, KS

#32 Oct 17, 2012
Petey, you outed yourself again as not ever being a Catholic.
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#33 Oct 17, 2012
Tondaleyo wrote:
<quoted text>So you must be a communist who thinks believing in religious liberty is a crime.
No Iím an agnostic (born, raised and educated Catholic) American citizen and veteran who is perfectly content to allow anyone to follow his/her personal religious beliefs in his/her own private life. But I object strenuously to any attempt of any person or religious organization to impose their personal beliefs on any other citizen or public policy.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#34 Oct 17, 2012
Religious liberty doesn't exempt you from the law.
Tondaleyo wrote:
<quoted text>So you must be a communist who thinks believing in religious liberty is a crime.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#35 Oct 17, 2012
I was catholic; fortunately, I found a cure before it ate my brain like it did yours. According to the church, I still am, since I was never excommunicated.
Tondaleyo wrote:
Petey, you outed yourself again as not ever being a Catholic.

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#36 Oct 17, 2012
Tondaleyo wrote:
All priests have a Masters degree in Divinity. It takes eight years for a seminarian to become a priest.
That's quite a long time just to learn mythology.
Tondaleyo

Muscotah, KS

#37 Oct 17, 2012
Big Al wrote:
<quoted text>
No Iím an agnostic (born, raised and educated Catholic) American citizen and veteran who is perfectly content to allow anyone to follow his/her personal religious beliefs in his/her own private life. But I object strenuously to any attempt of any person or religious organization to impose their personal beliefs on any other citizen or public policy.
You still didn't answer my question, do you think that the clergy and laymen and women should be fined and put in jail for notpaying for something they call evil?

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#38 Oct 17, 2012
Tondaleyo wrote:
All priests have a Masters degree in Divinity. It takes eight years for a seminarian to become a priest.
What do they take? "How to cover for pedophile colleagues 101"?
Big Al

Hibbing, MN

#39 Oct 17, 2012
Tondaleyo wrote:
<quoted text> You still didn't answer my question, do you think that the clergy and laymen and women should be fined and put in jail for notpaying for something they call evil?
If the law of the land is that abortion and contraception are legal forms of medical treatment and employers are required to provide insurance that covers medical treatment to their employees and Catholic employers refuse to provide that insurance they should be fined and/or put in jail the same as anyone else who doesnít abide by the laws of the land. NOBODY IS FORCING ANYBODY TO HAVE AN ABORTION OR USE CONTRACEPTIVES.
Tondaleyo

Muscotah, KS

#40 Oct 17, 2012
Big Al wrote:
<quoted text>
If the law of the land is that abortion and contraception are legal forms of medical treatment and employers are required to provide insurance that covers medical treatment to their employees and Catholic employers refuse to provide that insurance they should be fined and/or put in jail the same as anyone else who doesnít abide by the laws of the land. NOBODY IS FORCING ANYBODY TO HAVE AN ABORTION OR USE CONTRACEPTIVES.
So are you going to make the Amish have phones and cars? YOU are trampling on our rights. There has to be a wider conscience clause, if not the govt is trampling on my right to worship and also violating the seperation of church and state.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#41 Oct 17, 2012
Tondaleyo wrote:
<quoted text>So are you going to make the Amish have phones and cars? YOU are trampling on our rights. There has to be a wider conscience clause, if not the govt is trampling on my right to worship and also violating the seperation of church and state.
LOL, have you ever BEEN in a real Amish business in Amish country? I have. Restaurants. Guess what they had? Electricity and phones.

Still, what you're talking about is not healthcare, which is a category unto itself.

Your rights are not being trampled. Not one Catholic will be forced to use BC pills.

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