OpEd: Why Catholic Pro Lifers will vote for Obama

Yawn wrote:

Never happen. No one who is anti abortion will vote for Obama. Palin with her soild prolife views will draw them to McCain like a magnet.

I am solidly anti-abortion, and I will vote for Obama, unless McCain drops Palin from the Republican ticket. Here's why:

Just when I thought things couldn't get any weirder, I read something like this, by Bruce Wilson:
By Bruce Wilson, Talk To Action
Posted on September 8, 2008, Printed on September 8, 2008
http://www.alternet.org/story/97939/
"On June 8, 2008 Palin was publicly blessed, with the “laying on of hands” before six thousand Wasilla area church members, by Head Wasilla Assembly of God Pastor Ed Kalnins and on the same day both Kalnins and Palin described, at a “Masters Commission” ceremony at the Wasilla Assembly of God church, how she had been blessed prior to winning the Alaska governorship by an African cleric known for driving the “spirit of witchcraft” out of a town in Kenya, after which town supposedly crime rates dropped “almost to zero.”
Sarah Palin’s churches are actively involved in a resurgent movement that was declared heretical by the Assemblies of God in 1949. This is the same ‘Spiritual Warfare’ movement that was featured in the award winning movie,“Jesus Camp,” which showed young children being trained to do battle for the Lord. At least three of four of Palin’s churches are involved with major organizations and leaders of this movement, which is referred to as The Third Wave of the Holy Spirit or the New Apostolic Reformation. The movement is training a young “Joel’s Army” to take dominion over the United States and the world:
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/ar...
Joel's Army.... no big surprise there -- dangerous, but still just your everyday garden variety dominionist nuts. But, it gets worse. Palin's former church in Wasilla is part of the virulently anti-Catholic Third Wave Movement, declared heretical by the General Counsel of the Assemblies of God not once, but twice, in 1949 and again in 2000. Writes Wilson:
"The Third Wave is a revival of the theology of the Latter Rain tent revivals of the 1950s and 1960s led by William Branham and others. It is based on the idea that in the end times there will be an outpouring of supernatural powers on a group of Christians that will take authority over the existing church and the world. The believing Christians of the world will be reorganized under the Fivefold Ministry and the church restructured under the authority of Prophets and Apostles and others anointed by God. The young generation will form “Joel’s Army” to rise up and battle evil and retake the earth for God. While segments of this belief system have been a part of Pentecostalism and charismatic beliefs for decades, the excesses of this movement were declared a heresy in 1949 by the General Council of the Assemblies of God, and again condemned through Resolution 16 in 2000.
The Third Wave, also known as the New Apostolic Reformation, is a network of Apostles, many of them grouped around C. Peter Wagner, founder of the World Prayer Center. This center, which was built in coordination with Ted Haggard and his New Life Church in Colorado Springs, was featured in an article by Jeff Sharlet in Harpers, May 2005,“Soldiers of Christ.”

Gotta Love It

I find so many "issue christians," people who are rabid christians for single issues like abortion, but show no discernable effects from Jesus' teachings in the rest of their lives.

I'm not seeing a lot of rich christians selling all they own and giving the proceeds to the poor. I'm not seeing a lot of christians showing love to others, even those who they don't agree with. And I'm certainly not seeing anyone claiming to be a "deeply religious christian" loving their neighbors as themselves.

Quite frankly, you can't be a christian and not be a fervent advocate for social justice and fairness. Using that simple guide, there aren't any christian republicans.

christians

Eugene, OR

Bob wrote:

<quoted text>You realize this thread is on the Roman Catholic Forum don't you?If your not interested in what our Holy Father has to say,then why come to this thread?We Catholics do not care what you have to say.Pro-Life!Go McCain/Palin 2008!!!Viva il Papa Benedetto!!!

This is a message board, not Church.

It's not surprising to me that you do not know the difference.

"We Catholics do not care what you have to say". Jesus would be proud of your compassion.

Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers...
Typical catholic hypocrite. No wonder parishioners are leaving in droves.

Gotta Love It

Antonio CO wrote:

<quoted text>
I wasn't dismissing them nor mocking you. I was just saying that when some people bring up old book quotes or this and that, I bring up Levitican laws and the response I ususally get is "Oh that's the old covenant. When Jesus came, he brought a new conventnat so we don't listen to the old book..etc"

No, I'm just teasing. I liked your post.

Cynthia Gee

Continued from comment 279:
Wilson writes,
"Wagner’s top leaders often conduct spiritual warfare campaigns against the demons that block the acceptance of their brand of Christian belief, such as ‘Operation Ice Castle’ in the Himalayas in 1997. Several of their top prophets and generals of intercession spent weeks in intensive prayer to “confront the Queen of Heaven.” This queen is considered by them to be one of the most powerful demons over the earth and is the Great Harlot of Mystery Babylon in Revelation.(The “Great Harlot [or 'whore'] of Mystery Babylon” theme also figures prominently in the sermons of Texas megachurch pastor and Christians United For Israel founder John Hagee, former endorser of John McCain’s 2008 presidential bid.) Wagner and his group also claim that the Queen of Heaven is Diana, the pagan god of the biblical book Ephesians and the god of Mary veneration in the Roman Catholic Church."

And, Operation Ice Castle included Ana Mendez, a former Haitian voodoo priestess turned born-again preacher who is making waves in the Third Wave community...

http://www.transformingmelbourne.org/au/index...

Ana Mendez claims that the folks in Operation Ice Castle are taking personal credit for the deaths of Princess Diana and Mother Theresa:
"Following the ‘Operation Ice Castle’ prayer excursion which included planting a flag for Jesus on Mt. Everest, one of the lead prayer intercessors from the excursion, Ana Mendez, reported that there had been dramatic results including,“millions have come to faith in Asia… and other things happened which I believe are also connected…an earthquake had destroyed the basilica of Assisi, where the Pope had called a meeting of all world religions; a hurricane destroyed the infamous temple ‘Baal-Christ’ in Acapulco, Mexico; the Princes Diana died… and Mother Theresa died in India, one of the most famous advocates of Mary as Co-Redeemer.”

Heresies... dominionists... and former voodoo priestesses turned Christian, praying Mother Theresa and Princess Diana to death from the top of Mount Everest, all in the name of -- Jesus?

Oh, my.

rosesz

Antonio CO wrote:

<quoted text>
Actually, if you read the memoirs/books of John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, they are not as "Christian" as one would like to believe, but they still are none the less. The seperation of Church is much talked about before this last century and is clearly evident in Madison's writings and in the Treaty of Tripoli of 1796. Why do you think the colonists fled here from England? give you a hint, Church of England thought there ways was the ONLY "light" and forced those views onto everyone.
Sorry for the late respone, I fell asleep on the couch :)

its ok on the sleeping.. we all have to .. but yes the country was founded so ther is NO ONE church as England wanted but we still cannot take God out of the hearts of the people as this separation lately has meant.. they take it too far .. the secularists.. but when you ddiminish life by killing the most innocent.. it makes it convenient to have no God .. but we both know He exists.. so wile I do not wnt government telling me to go to such and such a church..
I also do not want the FOCA passed so that I am made to pay for abortions.. this Choice thing is "their religion" they just dont call it that but look at the adherents who are militant..
the ogvernment should NOT facillitate the murder of unborn childre.
as I said to another poster.. the new pres cannot overturn roe.. but he can veto any thing taking away STATES RIGHTS to moderate it.. this should be a sttes thing anyway..
the woman who was "Jane Roe" is a staunch Prolifer now.. google Norma Jean Mc Corvey.. or Jane roe..

If we kill the least among us what are we.. why did you fight for your country if we are capable of this in our hearts..

FOCA
http://www.nrlc.org/FOCA/LawmakersProposeFOCA...

BARB FROM KS

Shawnee, KS

If You think that this nonsence you are spewing in this rant is Christian--you are kidding yourself.. At least Jo Biden knows who is the current ruler of Russia. The Muslim religion is just another religion.....they are good people..any Christian minister or priest would be appalled at your opinion of a Muslim..The fundamentalists of any religion have a warp view of other people's faith. Also I am sick and tired of hearing that the Democratic party is the party of "murder". Maybe all the Churches need to start a movement to have all the American people vote on if they want abortion to be legal in this country. Also the Catholic Church suggested through the Leaven to vote for Bush...now maybe they need to give up their tax exempt status and pitch in and help pay for all the debt that we have accrued. The Dems are no more responsible for Roe Vs Wade than the Catholic people are for the pedophile priests. What about social security,...who do you think gave you that? What about John and Bobby Kennedy all the good that they did for equality. You can mention Reagan, but the last Pope had more to do with bringing down "the wall" than he actually did! If you are voting Repub...you need to read about "k" street and Phil Graham..just Google them and read about your religious party. Also, I am a Catholic!

Cynthia Gee

And, there's more...
... more on "Pastor Murthee", the African "witch-hunter to whom Palin attributes her political success:
Election 2008 just keeps getting crazier and crazier.
As reported by Ronald Maxwell of the Huffington Post, and other sources:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ronald-maxwell/...
Maxwell writes,
"In 1644 the poet John Milton commented on similar book burnings in England. "Who kills a man kills a reasonable creature, God's image, but he who destroys a good book kills reason itself, kills the image of God, as it were, in the eye." At the same time, the urge to ban, censor and prohibit was being carried, along with smallpox and typhus, to the New World. The first recorded book burning in Massachusetts took place in 1650. The Puritan authorities condemned and confiscated a religious pamphlet by William Pynchon. The book, though not the man, was burned by the public executioner in the Boston commons. A few years later some women in nearby Salem were less fortunate....Which brings us to Pastor Muthee, the guest pastor from Kenya who had prayed over Sarah Palin when she was running for Governor of Alaska.
According to the Christian Science Monitor,
“Muthee began his life in ministry in Africa by hunting down a local woman named Mama Jane after proclaiming her a witch. Six months of fervent prayer and research identified the source of the witchcraft as a local woman called Mama Jane, who ran a “divination” centre called the Emmanuel Clinic in Kiambu, Kenya. Her alleged involvement in fortune-telling and the fact that she lived near the site of a number of fatal car accidents led Pastor Muthee to publicly declare her a witch responsible for the town’s ills, and order her to offer up her soul for salvation or leave Kiambu. After Pastor Muthee declared Mama Jane a witch, the townspeople became suspicious and began to turn on her, demanding that she be stoned. Public outrage eventually led the police to raid her home, where they fired gunshots, killing a pet python which they believed to be a demon.”
Also, according to The Huffington Post, in August, 1999, Paul Harris wrote the following report, which appeared in Britain’s Sunday Telegraph under the headline, "Hundreds burnt to death in Tanzanian witch-hunt":
“Lynch mobs have killed hundreds of Tanzanians whom they accuse of witchcraft as black magic hysteria sweeps East Africa. Most of the usually elderly victims have been beaten or burnt to death by gangs of youths. Some old women have been singled out simply because they have red eyes — regarded as a sign of sorcery by their assailants. The condition is actually caused by years of toiling in smoky kitchens cooking family meals.… Police say 357 suspected witches have been killed in the past 18 months, but the Ministry of Home Affairs believes that the true figure is much higher. A departmental survey said as many as 5,000 people were lynched between 1994 and 1998.”

Antonio CO

Joined: Sep 7, 2008

Comments: 582

Colorado Springs, CO

Gotta Love It wrote:

I find so many "issue christians," people who are rabid christians for single issues like abortion, but show no discernable effects from Jesus' teachings in the rest of their lives.
I'm not seeing a lot of rich christians selling all they own and giving the proceeds to the poor. I'm not seeing a lot of christians showing love to others, even those who they don't agree with. And I'm certainly not seeing anyone claiming to be a "deeply religious christian" loving their neighbors as themselves.
Quite frankly, you can't be a christian and not be a fervent advocate for social justice and fairness. Using that simple guide, there aren't any christian republicans.

I agree with that. there are many many "christians" that sit there and copy and paste, if you will, parts of the bible/faith they like best and ignore everything else.

Alusia

Greensburg, IN

Judged:

Chris A wrote:

Uhhh, is there actually any logic in that?
His policy is so much better than mccains that there will be less abortions with him in the presidency?
Mccain will try to overturn Roe V wade, and Obama will abolish and restrictions on abortion and uphold Roe V Wade. How again will that bring down abortion!?
Come on Catholics. You cannot reason this way! It number 1 is not logical, and number 2 is in opposition to the Church.
I cannot believe I have to spend most of my time available to talking about abortion telling Catholic to actually be Catholic.
You cannot actually be Catholic and support Obama. I'm sorry. If you are so inclined to support Obama do the rest of us Catholics a favor and don't tell anyone you are Catholic.
It ashames us.

I am Catholic. I am pro-choice. I choose to believe that it is none of my business what a woman does with her body....that is between her and her doctor....NOT ME. I am sick of the Catholic church and any religion for that matter telling me what I MUST believe in. I have and form my own opinions and beliefs, NOT what the church says. If that shames you then that is your problem, not mine.

Cynthia Gee

continued from comment 285, "more on pastor Murthee"

Some of these nuts are even attacking little children, declaring them to be witches:
"Mary Sudnad, 10, grimaces as her hair is pulled into corn rows by Agnes, 11, but the scalp just above her forehead is bald and blistered. Mary tells her story fast, in staccato, staring fixedly at the ground.
'My youngest brother died. The pastor told my mother it was because I was a
witch. Three men came to my house. I didn't know these men. My mother left the
house. Left these men. They beat me.'
She pushes her fists under her chin to show how her father lay, stretched out on his stomach on the floor of their hut, watching. After the beating there was a trip to the church for 'a deliverance'.
A day later there was a walk in the bush with her mother. They picked poisonous 'asiri' berries that were made into a draught and forced down Mary's throat. If that didn't kill her, her mother warned her, then it would be a barbed-wire hanging. Finally her mother threw boiling water and caustic soda over her head and body, and her father dumped his screaming daughter in a field. Drifting in and out of consciousness, she stayed near the house for a long time before finally slinking off into the bush.Mary was seven. She says she still doesn't feel safe. She says:
'My mother doesn't love me."
And, finally, a tear streaks down her beautiful face.
The Guardian UK Observer, 12/09/07, written by Tracey McVeigh in Esit Eket
Now, in all fairness to Murthee, I DO NOT know if children were targeted in any of his personal "witch hunts", but his activities certainly fed the superstitious mindset that has led to the murder and torture of these little ones.
Palin knew about Murthee's witch hunting -- that is the man's claim to fame, and it was why he had been invited to preach atthe Wasilla Assembly of God Church, on the day that he anointed Sarah Palin:
According to an article by Digital Journal, Palin has actually gone on record as linking her success to Murthee, who some would say is a modern day African Cotton Mather who harasses crazy old women from their homes:
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/260272
" It was upon the basis of this anti-witch crusade that Muthee came to preach at Sarah Palin’s church in Wasilla in 2005, as Palin was preparing to campaign for Governor of Alaska, and then again in 2008. When Muthee first visited Alaska, Sarah Palin, hearing of Muthee’s witch-fighting prowess, asked Muthee to pray over her to give her the power to become Governor of Alaska. Palin believes that Muthee’s ability to gain the favor of God is what won the election for her, not the voters. Because of the supernatural powers of Muthee, God himself appointed her to be Governor.
Palin is quoted as gushing,
“And I’m thinking, this guy’s really bold, he doesn’t even know what I’m going to do, he doesn’t know what my plans are. And he’s praying not “Oh Lord, if it be your will may she become governor,” no, he just prayed for it. He said,“Lord make a way and let her do this next step. And that’s exactly what
happened.”

rosesz

Cynthia Gee wrote:

<quoted text>
I am solidly anti-abortion, and I will vote for Obama, unless McCain drops Palin from the Republican ticket. Here's why:
Just when I thought things couldn't get any weirder, I read something like this, by Bruce Wilson:
By Bruce Wilson, Talk To Action
Posted on September 8, 2008, Printed on September 8, 2008
http://www.alternet.org/story/97939/
"On June 8, 2008 Palin was publicly blessed, with the “laying on of hands” before six thousand Wasilla area church members, by Head Wasilla Assembly of God Pastor Ed Kalnins and on the same day both Kalnins and Palin described, at a “Masters Commission” ceremony at the Wasilla Assembly of God church, how she had been blessed prior to winning the Alaska governorship by an African cleric known for driving the “spirit of witchcraft” out of a town in Kenya, after which town supposedly crime rates dropped “almost to zero.”
Sarah Palin’s churches are actively involved in a resurgent movement that was declared heretical by the Assemblies of God in 1949. This is the same ‘Spiritual Warfare’ movement that was featured in the award winning movie,“Jesus Camp,” which showed young children being trained to do battle for the Lord. At least three of four of Palin’s churches are involved with major organizations and leaders of this movement, which is referred to as The Third Wave of the Holy Spirit or the New Apostolic Reformation. The movement is training a young “Joel’s Army” to take dominion over the United States and the world:
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/ar...
Joel's Army.... no big surprise there -- dangerous, but still just your everyday garden variety dominionist nuts. But, it gets worse. Palin's former church in Wasilla is part of the virulently anti-Catholic Third Wave Movement, declared heretical by the General Counsel of the Assemblies of God not once, but twice, in 1949 and again in 2000. Writes Wilson:
"The Third Wave is a revival of the theology of the Latter Rain tent revivals of the 1950s and 1960s led by William Branham and others. It is based on the idea that in the end times there will be an outpouring of supernatural powers on a group of Christians that will take authority over the existing church and the world. The believing Christians of the world will be reorganized under the Fivefold Ministry and the church restructured under the authority of Prophets and Apostles and others anointed by God. The young generation will form “Joel’s Army” to rise up and battle evil and retake the earth for God. While segments of this belief system have been a part of Pentecostalism and charismatic beliefs for decades, the excesses of this movement were declared a heresy in 1949 by the General Council of the Assemblies of God, and again condemned through Resolution 16 in 2000.
The Third Wave, also known as the New Apostolic Reformation, is a network of Apostles, many of them grouped around C. Peter Wagner, founder of the World Prayer Center. This center, which was built in coordination with Ted Haggard and his New Life Church in Colorado Springs, was featured in an article by Jeff Sharlet in Harpers, May 2005,“Soldiers of Christ.”

garbage

Palin was born into a Catholic family.[218] When she was 4 years old, her family joined the Wasilla Assembly of God, which belongs to a Pentecostal association of churches.[219] Palin attended the Wasilla Assembly of God until age 38. When in Juneau, she attends the Juneau Christian Center.[220] Her current home church is the Wasilla Bible Church, an independent congregation.[221] Palin described herself in an interview as a "Bible-believing" Christian.[218] After the Republican National Convention, a spokesperson told CNN that Palin "doesn't consider herself Pentecostal."[222]

that is from wikipedia not some left wing blog..

but even in that Assembly churhc I bet the pastor doesnt get up and say G_D D__m America..

Gotta Love It

Judged:

If you're going to call yourself "pro life", you should be supportive of people from conception to the grave.

All I see are anti-abortionists who frankly don't give a crap about the kid or its mother after the baby is born. If you really want to stop abortions, stop slashing healthcare, nutrition and support services to the families that come from such pregnancies.

But those are the programs "conservatives" hate, and want to cut at every opportunity. Therefore, abortion is truly a convenience issue used to pander to the rightwing.

Live what you preach, folks.

rosesz

BARB FROM KS wrote:

If You think that this nonsence you are spewing in this rant is Christian--you are kidding yourself.. At least Jo Biden knows who is the current ruler of Russia. The Muslim religion is just another religion.....they are good people..any Christian minister or priest would be appalled at your opinion of a Muslim..The fundamentalists of any religion have a warp view of other people's faith. Also I am sick and tired of hearing that the Democratic party is the party of "murder". Maybe all the Churches need to start a movement to have all the American people vote on if they want abortion to be legal in this country. Also the Catholic Church suggested through the Leaven to vote for Bush...now maybe they need to give up their tax exempt status and pitch in and help pay for all the debt that we have accrued. The Dems are no more responsible for Roe Vs Wade than the Catholic people are for the pedophile priests. What about social security,...who do you think gave you that? What about John and Bobby Kennedy all the good that they did for equality. You can mention Reagan, but the last Pope had more to do with bringing down "the wall" than he actually did! If you are voting Repub...you need to read about "k" street and Phil Graham..just Google them and read about your religious party. Also, I am a Catholic!

Barb I really think this is a good idea you have .. a vote on abortion.. but it will never happen.. just like the Deamocrats ( yes them .. they are supported big time by the abortion lobby.. and will pass the FOCA if Obams is pres.. he has promised them..)
The Foca( see above post) would do away with any constraints the STATE s have imposed.. so see they wont even let states ( a bit closer to the people) have a say...

Yes the Dems have done goo things .. the point in here is the Abortion issue.. it is wrong.. it wont get overturned but we sure can fight to stop its expansion..
http://www.nrlc.org/FOCA/LawmakersProposeFOCA...

and if you are looking up people look up raines and Johnson Obams two advisors from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.. Raines even has to give back a few milion that he basically stole from the company to the tune of 90 mil.. there is a lot of blame to go around..Dodd, Franks.. and yes Obama...( see ACORN)
http://www.rightsidenews.com/200809272064/cul...

concerned4u

Joined: Sep 16, 2008

Comments: 20

Sodus Point

ISP: Carthage, NY

Responsibility wrote:

<quoted text>
Iam a Christian and I am voting for Obama = in volumes!
I approve this message.

Not every one who says "Lord Lord" but those who do the will of the God....

Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savor, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.

ou may be voting for an Obama-nation but a follower of Christ? If I were you I would re-examine my heart to see if it is God's will and His righteousness you are seeking or your own...

Jas 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Antonio CO

Joined: Sep 7, 2008

Comments: 582

Colorado Springs, CO

rosesz wrote:

<quoted text>
its ok on the sleeping.. we all have to .. but yes the country was founded so ther is NO ONE church as England wanted but we still cannot take God out of the hearts of the people as this separation lately has meant.. they take it too far .. the secularists.. but when you ddiminish life by killing the most innocent.. it makes it convenient to have no God .. but we both know He exists.. so wile I do not wnt government telling me to go to such and such a church..
I also do not want the FOCA passed so that I am made to pay for abortions.. this Choice thing is "their religion" they just dont call it that but look at the adherents who are militant..
the ogvernment should NOT facillitate the murder of unborn childre.
as I said to another poster.. the new pres cannot overturn roe.. but he can veto any thing taking away STATES RIGHTS to moderate it.. this should be a sttes thing anyway..
the woman who was "Jane Roe" is a staunch Prolifer now.. google Norma Jean Mc Corvey.. or Jane roe..
If we kill the least among us what are we.. why did you fight for your country if we are capable of this in our hearts..
FOCA
http://www.nrlc.org/FOCA/LawmakersProposeFOCA...

I see your point, but at the same time, we can't force the views of one particular religon onto others who don't follow. We don't have that right. What if, and just being hypothetical, the nation was mostly Hindu's. Would you be upset with laws that facilitate to the thinking of Hindu religion when you yourself is Christian? Probably so. And then there would be an advocation for creating laws that are not religious based. So how can we, meaning those of us who are Ctholic, Protestant, Baptist, Christian, tell others what they can do based on our religion? Thats all I was getting at. There is nothing wrong with keeping God in your heart and soul, but there is something wrong with forcing people who don't believe the same way to think the same way. Its not mine or your job to judge people, thats God's and God's alone.

I don't believe that abortion is the answer when you don't want to have a kid or if you suddenly changed your mind. Thats your own damn fault. But I don't see how a mother could bring up a child who was forced onto her by rape. She did not have a choice. But if I give that exeception as a response, automatically I am told I am not ProLife,(which btw I hate titles anyways). If a woman decides to get an abortion, is it really going to affect my daily life? Probably not. I'm sure someone is getting one right now, and my daily routine still goes on.

rosesz

Cynthia Gee wrote:

continued from comment 285, "more on pastor Murthee"
Some of these nuts are even attacking little children, declaring them to be witches:
"Mary Sudnad, 10, grimaces as her hair is pulled into corn rows by Agnes, 11, but the scalp just above her forehead is bald and blistered. Mary tells her story fast, in staccato, staring fixedly at the ground.
'My youngest brother died. The pastor told my mother it was because I was a
witch. Three men came to my house. I didn't know these men. My mother left the
house. Left these men. They beat me.'
She pushes her fists under her chin to show how her father lay, stretched out on his stomach on the floor of their hut, watching. After the beating there was a trip to the church for 'a deliverance'.
A day later there was a walk in the bush with her mother. They picked poisonous 'asiri' berries that were made into a draught and forced down Mary's throat. If that didn't kill her, her mother warned her, then it would be a barbed-wire hanging. Finally her mother threw boiling water and caustic soda over her head and body, and her father dumped his screaming daughter in a field. Drifting in and out of consciousness, she stayed near the house for a long time before finally slinking off into the bush.Mary was seven. She says she still doesn't feel safe. She says:
'My mother doesn't love me."
And, finally, a tear streaks down her beautiful face.
The Guardian UK Observer, 12/09/07, written by Tracey McVeigh in Esit Eket
Now, in all fairness to Murthee, I DO NOT know if children were targeted in any of his personal "witch hunts", but his activities certainly fed the superstitious mindset that has led to the murder and torture of these little ones.
Palin knew about Murthee's witch hunting -- that is the man's claim to fame, and it was why he had been invited to preach atthe Wasilla Assembly of God Church, on the day that he anointed Sarah Palin:
According to an article by Digital Journal, Palin has actually gone on record as linking her success to Murthee, who some would say is a modern day African Cotton Mather who harasses crazy old women from their homes:
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/260272
" It was upon the basis of this anti-witch crusade that Muthee came to preach at Sarah Palin’s church in Wasilla in 2005, as Palin was preparing to campaign for Governor of Alaska, and then again in 2008. When Muthee first visited Alaska, Sarah Palin, hearing of Muthee’s witch-fighting prowess, asked Muthee to pray over her to give her the power to become Governor of Alaska. Palin believes that Muthee’s ability to gain the favor of God is what won the election for her, not the voters. Because of the supernatural powers of Muthee, God himself appointed her to be Governor.
Palin is quoted as gushing,
“And I’m thinking, this guy’s really bold, he doesn’t even know what I’m going to do, he doesn’t know what my plans are. And he’s praying not “Oh Lord, if it be your will may she become governor,” no, he just prayed for it. He said,“Lord make a way and let her do this next step. And that’s exactly what
happened.”

and since she has a different church now.. at least it didnt take her 20 years and being embarassed on tv..

Antonio CO

Joined: Sep 7, 2008

Comments: 582

Colorado Springs, CO

Gotta Love It wrote:

.... If you really want to stop abortions, stop slashing healthcare, nutrition and support services to the families that come from such pregnancies.
.......

Good point :) OK now back to my finance homework.

Gotta Love It

rosesz wrote:

<quoted text>

but even in that Assembly churhc I bet the pastor doesnt get up and say G_D D__m America..

Let's ignore the fact that the video of the anti-witching ceremony is widely available, and focus on your last sentence.

Do you believe that unrepented sin would cause God to judge you? Maybe "damn you" to hell? That's biblical truth.

What do you call the policies of the US throughout its history that were solely designed to supress, even kill, people who weren't white? Maybe "a sin"? Certainly.

Has the US ever attoned for slavery, the massacres of Native Americans, the subjugation of large swaths of Latin America under the Monroe Doctrine, or the poisoning of African Americans with syphillis to see what it would do to them? Not really.

If God damns sinners for unrepented sins, and the US has unrepented sins to attone for, isn't asking for God's judgement on an unjust situation truly the Biblical way to go?

I know those rightwing neocon websites you read are so seductive, but you should sit yourself down and watch the entire one-hour sermon by Rev. Wright. If you're not convicted by the Holy Spirit hearing the entire message, your soul might need a tune up.

Then again, when "christianity" is used as a bludgeon by the right wing, it's hard to really hear God's message unless you're really, really listening.

Cynthia Gee