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Nobel winner slams Bible as 'handbook of bad morals'

There are 6203 comments on the rawstory.com story from Oct 19, 2009, titled Nobel winner slams Bible as 'handbook of bad morals'. In it, rawstory.com reports that:

A row broke out in Portugal on Monday after a Nobel Prize-winning author denounced the Bible as a "handbook of bad morals". Speaking at the launch of his new book "Cain", Jose Saramago, who won the 1998 Nobel Prize for Literature, said society would probably be better off without the Bible.

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keltec 9mm

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#309 Oct 24, 2009
Liam R wrote:
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The problem is not the non-existance of Jesus or Allah. The problem is the fanatic followers of these false gods. It is easy for most people to ignore groups like that bunch that commited suicide while waiting on the Mothership in the comet. It was a small group, harmless except to themselves.
But with Christians or Muslims, they are NOT "a small group, harmless except to themselves". They both spread their religions by the sword. Currently, Christianity isn't doing that, but for a thousand years they were. Islam is still playing that game, and there are Christians in America that would love to return to those "good old days.
Didn't atheistic communists kill over 110 million humans in the 20th century ? I realize they didn't use a sword either though I can't vouch for the instrument used in each and every case. Regardless, that wasn't a thousand years ago.

“Right-Wing Nuts Are 1%ers”

Since: Dec 07

Redneckville, Florida

#310 Oct 24, 2009
Telstar wrote:
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Some Obama zealots are in real trouble then.
Man go hump a squirrel with that crap....GET OVER IT...THERE IS NO WAY THAT SARAH PALIN IS GETTING HER DUMB FINGERS ON THE BUTTON. Just give it UP. I promise McCain does not have the stamina for a game of BILLIARDS, let alone another campaign speech where he has to wait and piss his Depends before his speeches, and then stand up and try to speak AS IF his ass isn't wet...I M E A N G I V E I T U P
keltec 9mm

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#312 Oct 24, 2009
Rose wrote:
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Ah, the source of morals for a slave owner.
Atheistic communists were into slavery. Wonder what book they used?

"The Christian religion is above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modem times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity, and humanity, let the blackguard Paine say what he will; it is resignation to God, it is goodness itself to man."
John Adams

He didn't own slaves.

“Know Your Culture!!!”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#313 Oct 24, 2009
DO NOT DOUBT GOD... I BEG YOU...

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#314 Oct 24, 2009
keltec 9mm wrote:
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Didn't atheistic communists kill over 110 million humans in the 20th century ? I realize they didn't use a sword either though I can't vouch for the instrument used in each and every case. Regardless, that wasn't a thousand years ago.
Totalitarian dictatorships killed many people in their brutal regimes. They worshipped the state, or themself and used any escuse to get rid of their enemies. Atheism as a philosophy had nothing to do with it. Atheism was just a marker of conformity. Just like there have been plenty of wars fought over land, or wealth, or whatever other reason people could find to fight over, and then there are the wars fought over religion; those only happen with monotheisms.
the solution

Philadelphia, PA

#316 Oct 24, 2009
The Man wrote:
<quoted text>The vast majority of people are believers in god. That means the vast majority of the hundreds of thousands of criminals in prisions are believers. You could say, that believers in god are primarily the people that have no morals or sense of right and wrong that you mentioned.:)
That comment actually proves you are from Tennessee.
the solution

Philadelphia, PA

#317 Oct 24, 2009
Roland_Deschain wrote:
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The bible also teaches an earth mounted on pillars, a solid sky dome, a talking snake and a talking donkey...not to mention incest, genocide and patricide patricide. It also teaches against wearing mixed fabrics, sowing different crops in the same field and keeping different types of cattle in the same field. In other words it teaches nonsense.
You seem to be the ringleader of the five posters that go to all the atheist sites (possibly paid to do so) and do your thing. So here is my question, I understand that what all of you say there is no God, yadda yadda yadda. But it really isn't about "God" what you are actually denying is the existence of the Christ. And I understand that you are too much of a puss (ee) to insult Islam or even Judism. So why don't you start doing that...you may appear to be a little more credible in the pushing of you agenda. Until then whenever I look at my cat, I 'll think of you.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#318 Oct 25, 2009
Tu tee fruit tee wrote:
<quoted text>The Bible says Adultry brings death. I have at 53yrs of age saw so many home wreckers go before thier time. There is truth in the bible.
There is truth in the bible but it is overshadowed by the lies.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#319 Oct 25, 2009
guest wrote:
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The Bible also says God was sorry he ever made man,he destoryed the earth with water,next time he will come and judge the people for their sins against his son, it will be destoryed by fire.he also said in his word not everyone will hear his voice only thoes who beleive that jesue died on the cross to save man kind repent and take up his cross and follow him.He also said there is a heaven and a hell if your name is not written in the book of life he will tell them to depart from him and cast them in the lake of fire.the end
Well you god is just an ass, and I am sorry man ever made your god.
The Hem of His Garment

Lewisburg, PA

#320 Oct 25, 2009
And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Jeremiah 29:13

Roland_Deschain

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

Bristol, UK

#321 Oct 25, 2009
the solution wrote:
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You seem to be the ringleader of the five posters that go to all the atheist sites (possibly paid to do so) and do your thing.
I'm not a 'ringleader' of anything. I'm merely an individual posting my views on an OPEN forum. Neither am I an atheist. I hold a naturalistic world-view which posits causal (limited) freewill only. I think many atheists posting here believe we have non-causal (full) freewill. As for my being paid, if this was the case my post count would be MUCH higher.
the solution wrote:
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So here is my question, I understand that what all of you say there is no God, yadda yadda yadda. But it really isn't about "God" what you are actually denying is the existence of the Christ.
Nope. I am saying is there NOTHING supernatural or mystical. No pixies, fairies, elves, dwarves, cave trolls, souls or any other supernatural entities of any type. I am saying we live in a purely physical world.
the solution wrote:
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And I understand that you are too much of a puss (ee) to insult Islam or even Judism.
IMHO the same could be said of you.

Anyway, I dont know enough about Islam Or Judaism to do this. Even if I did I would not do so at this time because I don't see them as that much of a threat. In the UK Christianity is still the state religion. We have 26 bishops directly involved in government and tax payers money also goes to support Christian chaplains in prisons and hospitals. There is also talk of Christians becoming involved in providing social care. Once public money stops supporting the Christian adgenda here in the UK I will re-evaluate my position. Until that time Christianity remains my primary 'target'.
the solution wrote:
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So why don't you start doing that...you may appear to be a little more credible in the pushing of you agenda.
I don't have any agenda other than to post my views on Christianity on a Christian forum.
the solution wrote:
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Until then whenever I look at my cat, I 'll think of you.
I can cope with that. Whenever I look at a block of concrete I will think of you - very dense and set hard ;-}
Just my take

Anderson, SC

#322 Oct 25, 2009
I too questioned the presence of God. I hold a 4 year degree and a masters. That does not make me "smart", but the college experience does give me experience in scientific reasoning and logical questions about the existence of God.

I simply asked for proof. That's all I needed. I didn't care about anything else any preacher said. After a life changing experience I found every bit of the proof I ever needed. It was at that moment that I could not give a sound scientific argument for what had just occurred.

And now I see the world for what it is. And I answer to Jesus. I might be attacked for my opinion. I may be called stupid or foolish but I know that the experience I had changed me for the better. I hope that each of you non-believers could find that proof for yourself. But I won't judge you negatively because you haven't.

I can't prove the existence of God. But you can't prove that he DOESN'T exist either. What do I gain if I'm right in my beliefs? What do I gain if I'm wrong?

If I wrong, well, I've wasted my time here on Earth saying silly prayers and placing my faith into something that doesn't exist. But none of that hurts me.

If I'm right, I'm saved from hell and I spend eternity in an awesome place.

I'm not here to attack anyone. I just want to present a reasonable question. According to the Bible, if you're not with him you're against him. If he came at this very moment, whose side are you on?



“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#324 Oct 25, 2009
Just my take wrote:
I too questioned the presence of God. I hold a 4 year degree and a masters. That does not make me "smart", but the college experience does give me experience in scientific reasoning and logical questions about the existence of God.
I simply asked for proof. That's all I needed. I didn't care about anything else any preacher said. After a life changing experience I found every bit of the proof I ever needed. It was at that moment that I could not give a sound scientific argument for what had just occurred.
And now I see the world for what it is. And I answer to Jesus. I might be attacked for my opinion. I may be called stupid or foolish but I know that the experience I had changed me for the better. I hope that each of you non-believers could find that proof for yourself. But I won't judge you negatively because you haven't.
I can't prove the existence of God. But you can't prove that he DOESN'T exist either. What do I gain if I'm right in my beliefs? What do I gain if I'm wrong?
If I wrong, well, I've wasted my time here on Earth saying silly prayers and placing my faith into something that doesn't exist. But none of that hurts me.
If I'm right, I'm saved from hell and I spend eternity in an awesome place.
I'm not here to attack anyone. I just want to present a reasonable question. According to the Bible, if you're not with him you're against him. If he came at this very moment, whose side are you on?
you asked (If he came at this very moment, whose side are you on?) Answer.... My side I would again make the same choice that I now hold, the choice would be based on what is best for me and your god is not best for me. I am morally superior to that god. Kowtowing to it would lessen who I am, the only god I would ever accept would be morally superior to myself.

Roland_Deschain

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

Bristol, UK

#325 Oct 25, 2009
Just my take wrote:
I too questioned the presence of God. I hold a 4 year degree and a masters. That does not make me "smart", but the college experience does give me experience in scientific reasoning and logical questions about the existence of God.
I simply asked for proof. That's all I needed. I didn't care about anything else any preacher said. After a life changing experience I found every bit of the proof I ever needed. It was at that moment that I could not give a sound scientific argument for what had just occurred.
And now I see the world for what it is. And I answer to Jesus. I might be attacked for my opinion. I may be called stupid or foolish but I know that the experience I had changed me for the better. I hope that each of you non-believers could find that proof for yourself. But I won't judge you negatively because you haven't.
It is good you have found an explanation for life which suits you. Just remember, not everyone has the same world-views or approach to life as you do.
Just my take wrote:
I can't prove the existence of God. But you can't prove that he DOESN'T exist either.
Your inability to prove 'God' is good enough for me ;-}
Just my take wrote:
What do I gain if I'm right in my beliefs? What do I gain if I'm wrong?
If I wrong, well, I've wasted my time here on Earth saying silly prayers and placing my faith into something that doesn't exist. But none of that hurts me.
If I'm right, I'm saved from hell and I spend eternity in an awesome place.
You are assuming 2 possible scenarios when there are at least 5.

1) Christian god and afterlife.
2) Non Christian god and afterlife.
3) Non Christian god and no afterlife.
3) No god and afterlife.
4) No god, no afterlife.

As you can see, in order for anyone to be sure of 'heaven' they would need to subscribe to every religious belief, just in case. Believing in just one god is not good enough because there is no way of knowing it is the correct one. This is not an issue for non-believers because they view this life as being the only one they will get. Consequently they try and live it to the full.
Just my take wrote:
I'm not here to attack anyone. I just want to present a reasonable question. According to the Bible, if you're not with him you're against him. If he came at this very moment, whose side are you on?
None. I don't take sides. I'm an individual.
the solution

Philadelphia, PA

#326 Oct 25, 2009
Roland_Deschain wrote:
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I can cope with that. Whenever I look at a block of concrete I will think of you - very dense and set hard ;-}
You think that Christianity is a threat above Islam, when Christianity is decreasing in #'s and Islam is expanding at an incredible rate (especially in Europe). Dense indeed.
the solution

Philadelphia, PA

#327 Oct 25, 2009
Roland_Deschain wrote:
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I'm not a 'ringleader' of anything. I'm merely an individual posting my views on an OPEN forum. Neither am I an atheist. I hold a naturalistic world-view which posits causal (limited) freewill only. I think many atheists posting here believe we have non-causal (full) freewill. As for my being paid, if this was the case my post count would be MUCH higher.
<quoted text>
Nope. I am saying is there NOTHING supernatural or mystical. No pixies, fairies, elves, dwarves, cave trolls, souls or any other supernatural entities of any type. I am saying we live in a purely physical world.
<quoted text>
IMHO the same could be said of you.
Anyway, I dont know enough about Islam Or Judaism to do this. Even if I did I would not do so at this time because I don't see them as that much of a threat. In the UK Christianity is still the state religion. We have 26 bishops directly involved in government and tax payers money also goes to support Christian chaplains in prisons and hospitals. There is also talk of Christians becoming involved in providing social care. Once public money stops supporting the Christian adgenda here in the UK I will re-evaluate my position. Until that time Christianity remains my primary 'target'.
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I don't have any agenda other than to post my views on Christianity on a Christian forum.
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I can cope with that. Whenever I look at a block of concrete I will think of you - very dense and set hard ;-}
Why would insult Islam or Judism or Christians, they all worship the same God as I do. The UK is a year away from accepting Sharia Law, 2 years at best, which will be good for your country. Your real threat comes when the 3 brothers realize they have the same father.
the solution

Philadelphia, PA

#328 Oct 25, 2009
the solution wrote:
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Why would insult Islam or Judism or Christians, they all worship the same God as I do. The UK is a year away from accepting Sharia Law, 2 years at best, which will be good for your country. Your real threat comes when the 3 brothers realize they have the same father.
3 People will judge this post - they are spam, the empty light bulb and the nut...they judge because they fear the truth.

Roland_Deschain

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

Bristol, UK

#329 Oct 25, 2009
the solution wrote:
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You think that Christianity is a threat above Islam, when Christianity is decreasing in #'s and Islam is expanding at an incredible rate (especially in Europe). Dense indeed.
No, I said AT THE MOMENT I consider Christianity to be more of a threat in the UK because of it's unique relationship to our government. Christianity is our state religion and funded by the tax payer to a large degree. Did you understand ANY of my previous reply to you?
the solution

Philadelphia, PA

#330 Oct 25, 2009
Roland_Deschain wrote:
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No, I said AT THE MOMENT I consider Christianity to be more of a threat in the UK because of it's unique relationship to our government. Christianity is our state religion and funded by the tax payer to a large degree. Did you understand ANY of my previous reply to you?
"at this moment" is already in the past, try to think ahead.

Roland_Deschain

“Naturalism - Nature is Enough”

Since: Nov 07

Bristol, UK

#331 Oct 25, 2009
the solution wrote:
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Why would insult Islam or Judism or Christians,
I dont.
the solution wrote:
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they all worship the same God as I do.
They don't come knocking on my door. They are not funded by the taxpayer. They don't have taxpayer funded bishops directly involved in government.
the solution wrote:
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The UK is a year away from accepting Sharia Law, 2 years at best, which will be good for your country.
Lol, we already have Sharia courts and Jewish courts not to mention Gypsy courts, Hindu courts, etc, etc, etc. Things will be no different in your country. Every group which feels out of touch with the government of the country they live in will do things 'their own way' within their communities.
the solution wrote:
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Your real threat comes when the 3 brothers realize they have the same father.
The only threat I see at this moment in time is people like you who are part of our government and funded by taxpayers money.

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