Filipino bishops: We will strip Catholic status if schools defy Church teaching

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Catholic schools that fail to uphold Church teaching may be stripped of their affiliation with the Church, the Catholic Bishops' Conference of the Philippines warned last week.

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ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#87 Nov 11, 2012
dog spelled backwards wrote:
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Absolutely right, up to the fact that you missed to mention all other organised religions, faiths, cults and sects!
Dog Behavior,

You are getting isoalted here because Catholic authoroties side with your adressee (Puddleofpepsi) that the Roman Catholic Church sucks because she cannot be identified with primitive Christianity:


"We Catholics do not quarrel with the methods of the religious historian, so long as he keeps within his proper limits, within the limits of historical data and proved historical fact, and so long as he does not claim in his classification of religious types to pass decisive judgment upon the essential nature of the religious structure which he has under examination. We Catholics acknowledge readily, without any shame, nay with pride, that Catholicism cannot be identified simply and wholly with primitive Christianity, nor even with the Gospel of Christ, in the same way that the great oak cannot be identified with the tiny acorn. There is no mechanical identity, but an organic identity. And we go further and say that thousands of years hence Catholicism will probably be even richer, more luxuriant, more manifold in dogma, morals, law and worship than the Catholicism of the present day. A religious historian of the fifth millennium A.D. will without difficulty discover in Catholicism conceptions and forms and practices which derive from India, China and Japan, and he will have to recognize a far more obvious complex of opposites."

Reference:(Adam, Karl. The Spirit Of Catholicism, p.2. Revised Edition. Translated by Dom Justin McCann, O.S.B. Nihil Obstat: Arthur J. Scanlan, S.T.D., Censor Librorum. Imprimatur: Patrick cardinal hayes, Archbishop of New York. New York, USA: Image Books, 1954)

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#88 Nov 11, 2012
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
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Sherlayne,
You are correct!!! The RCC though has still other names!!! The official name of the church headed by the pope of Rome is "The Holy Catholic Apostolic Roman Church." However, Rev. James T. O'Connor, vice-president of the Mariological Society of America as of 1984, was bold, or we should say, candid enough to call the church of which he is an ordained priest as "The Church of the Mother of God":
"Hail, O Holy and Mystic Trinity, Who have called us together in this Church of the Mother of God. Hail Mary, Mother of God,... "
(Reference: O'Connor, James T. The Father's Son, p.70. Boston, MA: Daughters of St. Paul, 1984.)
Since Mary is called the "Mother of God" hence, the church headed by the pope is actually the "The Church of Mary." There must be a valid reason that prompted Rev. James T. O'Connor to give the name "The Church of the Mother of God" or "The Church of Mary."
According to the Catholic Church, how high a position does Mary occupy, prompting Rev. James T. O'Connor to call the church of which he is an ordained priest as "The Church of the Mothe rof God" or "The Church of Mary"?
"God has empowered her and commissioned her to fill with saints the empty thrones from which the apostate angels fell by pride. The will of the Most High, Who exalts the humble, is that heaven, earth and hell bend, with good will or bad will, to the commandments of the humble Mary, whom He has made sovereign of heaven and earth,..."
(Reference: De Montfort, St. Louis Grignion, True Devotion To The Blessed Virgin Mary, pp. 18-19. New York: The Montfort Fathers, 1941.)
Roman Catholic authorities entertain the notion that God made Mary the sovereign of heaven and earth to the extent that all in heaven, earth, and even hell bend to the commandments of the "humble Mary."
Do Catholic mentors include God among those under the sovereignity of the "humble Mary"?
"Mary, being altogether transformed into God by grace and by the glory which transforms all the saints into Him ... that in heaven and on earth everything, even God Himself, is subject to the Blessed Virgin,... "
(Reference: De Montfort, St. Louis Grignion, True Devotion To The Blessed Virgin Mary, p. 17. New York: The Montfort Fathers, 1941.)
"The saints have said many beautiful things about Mary ... They knew that there were no limits to her power, because she has power over God Himself."
(Reference: De Montfort, St. Louis Grignion, True Devotion To Mary, p. 3. Montfort Publications, 1956.)
"St. Bernardine of Siena declares that all obey Mary's commands, even God..."
(Reference: Alberione, J. Glories and Virtues of Mary, p. 177. Philippines: St. Paul Publications, 1960.)
By a mere stroke of his pen, Louis De Montfort had "transformed" Mary into God to the extent "that everything in heaven and on earth, even God Himself is subject to the Blessed Virgin."
Thus, the "humble Mary," the servant of God, she who was a mere creature of God has been catapulted by the Roman Catholic Church to a position of extraordinary prominence, nay to the position of the Most High!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Dear Elias, people don't like us because we are realists and tell the truth. The RCC maintains caveman beliefs. The main reason I left was due to the ridiculous (and sinful) over-veneration of Mary. Jesus never once told us to pay her any homage whatsoever. The bishops of Medjugorge have repeatedly pronounced there is nothing supernatural going on there, but look at the millions who still travel there simply because they WANT to belief in Miss Ever-Virgin Magical Mary, to whom even God defers. What s sinful doctrine. Makes me sick or want to laugh.
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#89 Nov 11, 2012
Sherlayne wrote:
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Dear Elias, people don't like us because we are realists and tell the truth. The RCC maintains caveman beliefs. The main reason I left was due to the ridiculous (and sinful) over-veneration of Mary. Jesus never once told us to pay her any homage whatsoever. The bishops of Medjugorge have repeatedly pronounced there is nothing supernatural going on there, but look at the millions who still travel there simply because they WANT to belief in Miss Ever-Virgin Magical Mary, to whom even God defers. What s sinful doctrine. Makes me sick or want to laugh.
Sherlayne,

A few months ago when I was throwing my garbage in a bin, I picked up a magazine, which was already discarded, about the Roman Catholic's World Youth Day activities!!! It tells me of the many pilgrimages being organized by the Vatican and for her faithfuls to visit such as shrines and other important areas where miracles were supposed to take place!!! I noticed that for every organized pilgrimage tour, a priest is to be acting as a tour guide and of course, with added fees!!! The magazine is still with me for I kept it on the thought that I could use the same when blogging!!!

Today, there are many fraternities and congregations in honor of Mary, the mother of Christ. Various religious orders are founded in her honor and placed under her supposed protection. There is no church (building in Roman Catholic usage) that does not have an altar where the image of the "blessed Virgin" is enshrined. Millions of prayers are addressed to her daily, and as if these are not enough, countless towns have Mary as their patron saint.
Concerning pilgrimages, Rene Laurentin, a mariologist, has this to say:

"The principal pilgrimages of the Middle Ages had as their object Christ or the apostles - the Holy Land, the Holy Sepulchre,... Today the pilgrimages which draw the largest corwds are those to the shrines of our Lady: two and a half million pilgrims every year go to Lourdes alone, and very large number to Fatima, too. To these two shrines could be added hundreds of others..."

(Reference: Laurentin, Rene. Mary's Place In The Church, p. 9. London: Burns & Oates Ltd., 1965.)

According to the Catholic Church, how high a position does Mary occupy, prompting Rev. James T. O'Connor to call the church of which he is an ordained priest as "The Church of the Mother of God" or "The Church of Mary"?

"God has empowered her and commissioned her to fill with saints the empty thrones from which the apostate angels fell by pride. The will of the Most High, Who exalts the humble, is that heaven, earth and hell bend, with good will or bad will, to the commandments of the humble Mary, whom He has made sovereign of heaven and earth,..."

(Reference: De Montfort, St. Louis Grignion, True Devotion To The Blessed Virgin Mary, pp. 18-19. New York: The Montfort Fathers, 1941.)

Post 1...to be continued

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#90 Nov 11, 2012
Post 2...End.

Roman Catholic authorities entertain the notion that God made Mary the sovereign of heaven and earth to the extent that all in heaven, earth, and even hell bend to the commandments of the "humble Mary."

Do Catholic mentors include God among those under the sovereignity of the "humble Mary"?

"Mary, being altogether transformed into God by grace and by the glory which transforms all the saints into Him ... that in heaven and on earth everything, even God Himself, is subject to the Blessed Virgin,... "

(Reference: De Montfort, St. Louis Grignion, True Devotion To The Blessed Virgin Mary, p. 17. New York: The Montfort Fathers, 1941.)

"The saints have said many beautiful things about Mary ... They knew that there were no limits to her power, because she has power over God Himself."

(Reference: De Montfort, St. Louis Grignion, True Devotion To Mary, p. 3. Montfort Publications, 1956.)

"St. Bernardine of Siena declares that all obey Mary's commands, even God..."

(Reference: Alberione, J. Glories and Virtues of Mary, p. 177. Philippines: St. Paul Publications, 1960.)

By a mere stroke of his pen, Louis De Montfort had "transformed" Mary into God to the extent "that everything in heaven and on earth, even God Himself is subject to the Blessed Virgin."

It appears now to me that the Roman Catholic Church has abandoned the dogma of the Holy Trinity and has embraced a new concoction, the Holy Quadruplets, and with Mary being the All-Powerful!!!


Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#91 Nov 11, 2012
It is stupifyingly funny to see Rizalino pretend that a privately published book speaks for the Roman Catholic Church. There are hundreds of publications that speak the truth about the INC cult's deceit. I guess they are as accurate, huh?

I have to admit that I actually laughed when our Guam based punching bag pretends that medals are worshipped. Most practicing Catholics find them to be reminders of their faith, not reverential idols. When a colleague of mine carries a St. Christopher or St. Michael medal with him, they don't worship the piece of medal. Rather, they are comforted by a story attached to it or strengthened by a connection to the saint. It is silly to think that Catholics worship medals any more than INC cultists worship Manalo family members when they bow and kneel before them.

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#92 Nov 12, 2012
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
It is stupifyingly funny to see Rizalino pretend that a privately published book speaks for the Roman Catholic Church. There are hundreds of publications that speak the truth about the INC cult's deceit. I guess they are as accurate, huh?
I have to admit that I actually laughed when our Guam based punching bag pretends that medals are worshipped. Most practicing Catholics find them to be reminders of their faith, not reverential idols. When a colleague of mine carries a St. Christopher or St. Michael medal with him, they don't worship the piece of medal. Rather, they are comforted by a story attached to it or strengthened by a connection to the saint. It is silly to think that Catholics worship medals any more than INC cultists worship Manalo family members when they bow and kneel before them.
The RCC is a totally superstitious, archaic and erroneous religion. It has made statements such as Mary supposedly saying "I can't hold my Son back any more"...and WHY Novenas and rosaries to her? Why? She has no more power than any other being. And - whomever has "seen" her remarks on her beauty - did you ever think she may have had a not-so-attractive nose or crooked teeth? They had no dentists in those days so a lot of people, including HER, could have had visible tooth decay - yuck! Now are YOU going to claim with certainty that could not be the case? Be realistic!
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#93 Nov 12, 2012
Sherlayne wrote:
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The RCC is a totally superstitious, archaic and erroneous religion. It has made statements such as Mary supposedly saying "I can't hold my Son back any more"...and WHY Novenas and rosaries to her? Why? She has no more power than any other being. And - whomever has "seen" her remarks on her beauty - did you ever think she may have had a not-so-attractive nose or crooked teeth? They had no dentists in those days so a lot of people, including HER, could have had visible tooth decay - yuck! Now are YOU going to claim with certainty that could not be the case? Be realistic!
Sherlayne,

You are correct on the idea that Catholicism is based on the idea of the caveman!!! For how could Mary be talking to anyone when she had long been dead???

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#94 Nov 12, 2012
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
It is stupifyingly funny to see Rizalino pretend that a privately published book speaks for the Roman Catholic Church. There are hundreds of publications that speak the truth about the INC cult's deceit. I guess they are as accurate, huh?
I have to admit that I actually laughed when our Guam based punching bag pretends that medals are worshipped. Most practicing Catholics find them to be reminders of their faith, not reverential idols. When a colleague of mine carries a St. Christopher or St. Michael medal with him, they don't worship the piece of medal. Rather, they are comforted by a story attached to it or strengthened by a connection to the saint. It is silly to think that Catholics worship medals any more than INC cultists worship Manalo family members when they bow and kneel before them.
Base Gardiner,

Most statements and references that I had posted have the "imprimatur" of the Vatican and therefore the contents are German Shepherd certified or legitimized by breeds before him!!!

Yes, medals as one of the sacramentals are object of worship for in these are the engraved faces of their false Christ and Mary!!!

The Catholic Church has what it calls as sacramentals, supposedly designed to increae piety or holiness. A widely-used texts stated thus:

"This sign and other acts and objects because of their association with the sacraments, are called sacramentals... These are of many kinds. The Church includes among them many rites, actions, prayers, and objects, many things both great and small, whose proper use may drive away temptations, remit venial sins, and increae piety.... and many specially blessed objects, such as rosaries,scapulars, medals, and pictures, which either are used in or are reminders of prayer and devotions. Such symbols, such small and familiar gestures, such objects in themselves insignificant, placed, by direction of the Church, at the services of religion and regarded with proper devotion to God, constitute the sacramentals."

Reference:(Whereon To Stand: What Catholics Believe And Why, pp. 300-301)

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#95 Nov 12, 2012
It is evident that you lack education and the freedom to think.

Consider this website: http://iglesiaexposed.i8.com/lesson26.html

What is your fixation on venerating Mary? Showing reverence for the mother of Christ, supposedly your savior, seems very Christlike. I also found disturbing your comment about Mary's aesthetics. Shallow?

Finally, as has been teh case all along, I ask for you to show any evidence that Felix Ysagun (not Manalo, since it is ilegal to change surnames in the Philippines) was visited by God. If you cannot sustain that query then you are no different from those who claim to have been visited by Mary / God / a UFO.
dog spelled backwards

Linnich, Germany

#96 Nov 12, 2012
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
It is evident that you lack education and the freedom to think.
Consider this website: http://iglesiaexposed.i8.com/lesson26.html
What is your fixation on venerating Mary? Showing reverence for the mother of Christ, supposedly your savior, seems very Christlike. I also found disturbing your comment about Mary's aesthetics. Shallow?
Finally, as has been teh case all along, I ask for you to show any evidence that Felix Ysagun (not Manalo, since it is ilegal to change surnames in the Philippines) was visited by God. If you cannot sustain that query then you are no different from those who claim to have been visited by Mary / God / a UFO.
About Manaloīs hallucinations:
He was seriously adviced by his psychiatrists to take his pills regularly. Which he did.
Except for that one day.
And that was the particular day when he was visited by God.
The forgotten intake of his pills caused a convergent squint.
During Godīs visit poor Manalo was cross-eyed which caused diplopia. And his hearing was cross-eared. Consequently he saw 2 Gods and heard another 2 Gods talking.
From that very day on Manaloīs mental condition was chronic.
Anybody still doubts?
Even with a 25 percent chance he still saw or heard at least 1 God!!!
You disbelievers wonīt be saved on Judgement Day!

God bless you, Felix Manalo, Angle of the East!
grest

Thornbury, Australia

#97 Nov 12, 2012
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
Why not strip first the Catholic Church of its nefarious false teachings and then disband for the benefit of human beings who were duped to follow unscriptural teachings???
Salvation is very imporatant to man and the existence of a spurious religion is a bane and not a boon to the most imporatnt of all creations, mankind!!!
If the Vatican refuses to change, then, people have no choice but to abandon this planting of the devil!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Spoken like a real muslim troublemaker elais ibarra you local muslim insurgent. the catholic church is what makes the philipines so great, only communists and muslims would want to change that.

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#99 Nov 12, 2012
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
Sherlayne,
You are correct on the idea that Catholicism is based on the idea of the caveman!!! For how could Mary be talking to anyone when she had long been dead???
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
LOL - They're not even sure she DIED - her body was taken up into heaven and they eventually put a crown on her (oh, puleeze...)- who made up this stuff? No record of when or where she died - in fact, she didn't die - she experienced "dormition" - where did these stories originate? They're just tales.
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#100 Nov 13, 2012
Sherlayne wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL - They're not even sure she DIED - her body was taken up into heaven and they eventually put a crown on her (oh, puleeze...)- who made up this stuff? No record of when or where she died - in fact, she didn't die - she experienced "dormition" - where did these stories originate? They're just tales.
Sherlayne,

The Roman Catholic Church really have an obfuscated teaching about Mary!!! She died because she is human!!! But the Roman Catholic Church has a teaching about her ascencion to heaven which of course is a fabrication again!!!

Catholicism upholds th belief that a person who dies immediately goes to heaven, hell, or purgatory. Many believe that we are either being guarded or threatened by the dead. Stemming also from this view is the belief in haunted houses and ghosts which continue to be the subject of books, movies, TV shows, and even everyday conversation.

What happens to a person when he dies? Where do the dead go? Can they help us? Can they harm us? The Bible makes it very clear that the dead are in the grave:

"Adrift among the dead, like the slain who lie in the grave, whom You remember no more, and are cut off from Your hand." (Ps. 88:5, NKJV)

So, when a person dies, he does not go immediately to heaven or hell but to the grave.

While the aforementioned verse does not specify the soul, could it be possible that only the body is in the grave and not th soul? God Himself declared:

"Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine; the soul who sins shall die." (Ezek. 18:4, Ibid.)

The Bible makes it clear that the soul dies. Not only does it die, but it also goes to the grave together with the body:

"For our soul is bowed down to the dust; our body clings to the ground." (Ps. 44:25, Ibid.)

So, when a person dies, both body and soul go to the grave and stay there not just for a short period of time. In other words, not just for three days, as some supertitiously believe. When a person dies, he will stay in the grave until Judgment Day:

"But man dies and is laid away; indeed he breathes his last and where is he? So man lies down and does not rise. Till the heavens are no more, they will not awake nor be roused from their sleep." (JOb. 14:10, 12, Ibid.)

Notice the question, "...and where is he?" The answer that we seek is right in the passage: "...man lies down and does not rise. Till the heavens are no more." The Scriptures clarifies the time when the heavens are no more or when the "heavens shall pass away":

"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. But the heavens and the earth which now exist are kept in store by the same word, reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men." II Pt. 3:10, 7, Ibid.)

Post 1...to be continued

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#101 Nov 13, 2012
Post 2...End.

The time when the dead will come out of the grave or be resurrected is on Judgment Day. This is not only biblical but also logical. Imagine for a moment, for the sake of argument, if it were true that all the dead are in heaven, hell, or somewhere else--then why would there still be a need for Judgment Day? All the dead would have already been judged and gone to their destination. But since all the dead are in the grave after they die, there is still a need for Judgment day. Then and only then will the dead come out of the grave. This was taught by Christ Himself:

"Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth--those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation." (Jn. 5:28-29, Ibid.)

Christ, referring to the dead or those in the grave, said, "the hour is coming ," which tells us that this is not in the present but rather in the future. Judgment day is what Christ is referring to here when the dead will come from the grave--not from heaven, not from hell, not from an alleged purgatory, but from the grave.

Thus, the Bible clearly teaches that when a person dies, he will go to the grave and remain there until Judgment Day. Let us not be deceived by those who would say or teach that our loved ones are somewhere else besides the grave or the place where they have been burried.

The aforementioned verses of the Bible should make us realize that the two basic beliefs of the Catholic Church regarding purgatory and their so-called saints are unbiblical. By Catholic definition, a saint is someone who had died and is in heaven and can mediate or intercede in behalf of the living. What we would like to point out is that the belief that there people who had died and who are now in heaven, aside form our Lord Jesus Christ, is unbiblical. Remember that all the dead, whether good or evil, are in the grave and will remain there until Judgment Day except for our Lord Jesus. In like manner, not only is purgatory not mentiond in the Bible, but even the belief that there are dead people in a so-called middle state being "purged" from their sins goes against biblical teachings.

Mary therefore is still in the grave and waiting for Judgment Day!!!! It is not true that she was seen in Fatima, Portugal and Lourdes, France!!!

End.

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Balasubas

Covina, CA

#102 Nov 13, 2012
we don't need the CBCP anyway, they stall the modernization of the society and the country.
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#103 Nov 14, 2012
Sherlayne wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL - They're not even sure she DIED - her body was taken up into heaven and they eventually put a crown on her (oh, puleeze...)- who made up this stuff? No record of when or where she died - in fact, she didn't die - she experienced "dormition" - where did these stories originate? They're just tales.
Sherlayne,

The Roman Catholic Church uses technical terms such as "dormition" to cover up their false teachings and fabrications!!! But the fact still remains that "the soul who sins dies" and is awaiting Judgment Day for the final reckoning!!! It is not true that when someone dies, he either goes to heaven, hell, or purgatory!!! In fact, the doctrine of purgatory is another invention of the Roman Catholic Church:

"Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned." [Rom. 5:12, NIV]

Because man sinned by disobeying God's commandments [cf. Ecc. 12:13; I Jn. 3:4], he was alienated from God and his prayers were no longer heard [cf. Is. 59:2]. Moreover, man became God's enemy because of his ungodly deeds [cf. Col. 1:21].

It is evident from the passages quoted earlier that all people are accountable to God. According to His judgment man will receive just reward and just punishment:

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad." [II Cor. 5:10, NIV]

Therefore Mary is not yet in heaven!!! She is still awaiting the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#104 Nov 15, 2012
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
Sherlayne,
The Roman Catholic Church really have an obfuscated teaching about Mary!!! She died because she is human!!! But the Roman Catholic Church has a teaching about her ascencion to heaven which of course is a fabrication again!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
You seem to have missed quite a few parts of the Bible, stooge.

Gen. 5:24, Heb. 11:5 - Enoch was taken bodily into heaven without dying. God becomes less of Mary the Ark of the New Partnership?
2 Kings 2:11-12, 1 Mac 2:58 - Elijah was taken up to heaven in chariot of fire. Jesus would not do less than His Blessed Mother.
Psalm 132:8 - Arise, O Lord, and go to your resting place, you and the Ark (Mary) of your strength. Both Jesus and Mary were brought to the place of eternal rest in heaven.
2 Cor. 12:2 - Paul speaks of a man in Christ who was caught up to the third heaven. Mary was raised by God in heaven.
Matt. 27:52-53 - When Jesus died and rose, the bodies of the saints were raised. Nothing in Scripture is opposed to the assumption of Mary into heaven.
1 Thess. 4:17 - who are in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Rev. 12:1 - we see Mary, the "woman" clothed with the sun. Rev. 6:9, whereas we only see the souls of the martyrs in heaven in Rev. 12:1 we see Mary, body and soul.
2 Thess. 2:15 - Paul teaches us that cling to the mouth (not just written) tradition. Apostolic tradition says Mary was assumed into heaven. While claiming the bones of the saints is a common practice these days (and have been especially important for the bones as Mary was the Mother of God), Mary bones were never claimed. This is because they were not available. Mary was taken body and soul into heaven.

Seriously, how can you profess to be a Christian, a member of his church afterall, and behave so poorly towards other Christian faiths?

Moreso, have you ever actually read the Bible? The references above are easy enough to find.
dog spelled backwards

Erkelenz, Germany

#105 Nov 15, 2012
Sherlayne wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL - They're not even sure she DIED - her body was taken up into heaven and they eventually put a crown on her (oh, puleeze...)- who made up this stuff? No record of when or where she died - in fact, she didn't die - she experienced "dormition" - where did these stories originate? They're just tales.
Ditto!
But donīt forget that when asking yourself the same question regarding your faith, and you will answer it honestly, you will come to the very same result!

Since: Feb 11

Nearer than you would like

#106 Nov 16, 2012
I see that no one can address the Bible verses I quoted. LOL!

It is pretty funny that our INC cult clowns conveniently forget that the NT was written over a couple centuries. No credible scholar believes that one man wrote each of the four books attributed to them. They concede that many men took what was told to them and transcribed it. Basic research shows that Mary, the mother of Christ, began to be venerated in the third or fourth century. This would be shortly after the original Bible books were completed. Few can deny that they have displayed reverence for Mary for almost two milennia. How old is the INC cult?
ELIAS IBARRA

Barrigada, Guam

#107 Nov 17, 2012
ChaunceyGardiner wrote:
It is evident that you lack education and the freedom to think.
Consider this website: http://iglesiaexposed.i8.com/lesson26.html
What is your fixation on venerating Mary? Showing reverence for the mother of Christ, supposedly your savior, seems very Christlike. I also found disturbing your comment about Mary's aesthetics. Shallow?
Finally, as has been teh case all along, I ask for you to show any evidence that Felix Ysagun (not Manalo, since it is ilegal to change surnames in the Philippines) was visited by God. If you cannot sustain that query then you are no different from those who claim to have been visited by Mary / God / a UFO.
Base Gardiner,

Dog Behavior,

Even during the time of the ancient nation of Israel, God spoke to Moses face to face:

"The LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks with his friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent." (Exodus 33:11, New International Version)

And Brother Felix Y. Manalo was called by God:

"You whom I have taken from the ends of the earth and called from the farthest regions, and said to You,'You are My servant, I have chosen you and have not cast you away;

"Fear not for I am with You; be not dismayed for I am your God. I will strengthen you, yes, I will help you, I will uphold you with My righteous right hand'." [Is. 41:9-10, NKJV]

God promised to help and strengthen His messenger in these last days!!! The true Church of Christ draws its strenght from this promise which God fulfilled in the messenger and the work he started, the Iglesia Ni Cristo!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam

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