St. Raphael bulletin appears to violate IRS, Catholic rules

Sep 7, 2012 Full story: El Paso Times 38

A local Catholic church appears to have violated IRS rules -- and Catholic doctrine -- by endorsing a presidential candidate in a church bulletin.

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mr r

San Antonio, TX

#21 Sep 9, 2012
UR BS wrote:
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No you see because they nly said that obama must go does not constitute endorsement of Romney.
So it is still a close call. They never named a candidate to vote for only that they shouldn't vote for obama. By the way the bulletin was written they could vote for Paul, Romney, Alfred E Neuman, Santa Clause, or anyone else. We all understand what they meant but by the law it may not be an endorsement.
I am no lawyer so I can't say for sure but it is a close call either way.
I think you're right, the fact that they didn't endorse, but instead did an anti-endorsement indicates an awareness of problem with endorsing. Unfortunately, it also is a dishonest approach, which might be marginally ok from a securlar source but not from a church.
mr r

San Antonio, TX

#22 Sep 9, 2012
...I think this highlights the problem with churches getting too involved with politics--it's too hard to do with out corrupting itself.

Since: Feb 12

El Paso, TX

#23 Sep 9, 2012
mr r wrote:
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I think you're right, the fact that they didn't endorse, but instead did an anti-endorsement indicates an awareness of problem with endorsing. Unfortunately, it also is a dishonest approach, which might be marginally ok from a securlar source but not from a church.
I tend to agree with you. It does show to me an attempt to blur the lines which I don't like.
Church is for church things and not politics.

Since: Feb 12

El Paso, TX

#24 Sep 9, 2012
mr r wrote:
...I think this highlights the problem with churches getting too involved with politics--it's too hard to do with out corrupting itself.
I sometimes think that it would be better if we simply let the churches get fully invloved like many other organizations do. I would endorse pulling the tax exempt status of ALL organizations, religious and otherwise, and then let them get involved as they like.
What we have now just allows these groups to try and bend the boundries as far as possible without breaking them.
So I guess what I am saying is either be fully in or fully out but the halfway stuff doesn't make it.
mr r

San Antonio, TX

#25 Sep 9, 2012
UR BS wrote:
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I sometimes think that it would be better if we simply let the churches get fully invloved like many other organizations do. I would endorse pulling the tax exempt status of ALL organizations, religious and otherwise, and then let them get involved as they like.
What we have now just allows these groups to try and bend the boundries as far as possible without breaking them.
So I guess what I am saying is either be fully in or fully out but the halfway stuff doesn't make it.
It's a disservice to the congregation too. As they continue to downplay or refuse to address anything that the GOP values that would seem to contradict Christian mores it can't expect the flock do not do the same. It's sorta like the church is a square peg and the GOP is a round hole and the Democratic is a triangle hole. They can warp the peg all they want but it'd be a mistake to believe that after it's passed through it will come out a nice square peg again. But ultimately it's about power--the desire to assert doctrine with earthly force.
The velvet touch

United States

#26 Sep 9, 2012
bIRD wrote:
i sTRONLY dISLIKE THE pOSTER fROM tHAT cRAP tOWN, aNTHONY, nEW wHACKO.
And I'm sure it's reciprocal ...
Our founding fathers

United States

#27 Sep 9, 2012
UR BS wrote:
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I sometimes think that it would be better if we simply let the churches get fully invloved like many other organizations do. I would endorse pulling the tax exempt status of ALL organizations, religious and otherwise, and then let them get involved as they like.
What we have now just allows these groups to try and bend the boundries as far as possible without breaking them.
So I guess what I am saying is either be fully in or fully out but the halfway stuff doesn't make it.
Y'all gotta stand back and Look at the big picture.

Obamma fears religion, especially Christianity.

He is a Muslim,
Protects it and cherishes it.

It is not the religion of our fathers....

Christians are being raped by the Manchurian Muslim

The attack on churches, is the tip of the iceberg.....
JWRussell

El Paso, TX

#28 Sep 9, 2012
Our founding fathers wrote:
<quoted text>
Y'all gotta stand back and Look at the big picture.
Obamma fears religion, especially Christianity.
He is a Muslim,
Protects it and cherishes it.
It is not the religion of our fathers....
Christians are being raped by the Manchurian Muslim
The attack on churches, is the tip of the iceberg.....
Get off it dirt bag. What religion are you? Porn cathedral? Bet the only time you saw the inside of a church was when you were young and the last time will be when the bury you.
Our founding fathers

United States

#29 Sep 9, 2012
UR BS wrote:
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I tend to agree with you. It does show to me an attempt to blur the lines which I don't like.
Church is for church things and not politics.
The Christian church has provided the fundamental ETHICS and VALUES founding this country.

The invading hordes of others, has polluted the ethics.

Without respecting the american history, the invasion and occupation does a disservice to every citizen.

We need to deport these thugs.....
And execute treasonists......
Our founding fathers

United States

#30 Sep 9, 2012
JWRussell wrote:
<quoted text>Get off it dirt bag. What religion are you? Porn cathedral? Bet the only time you saw the inside of a church was when you were young and the last time will be when the bury you.
May the good Lord cherish you,
Protect you,
And take you soon....

Is dirt bag your gene tree?
Cindy

El Paso, TX

#31 Sep 9, 2012
JWRussell wrote:
<quoted text>Get off it dirt bag. What religion are you? Porn cathedral? Bet the only time you saw the inside of a church was when you were young and the last time will be when the bury you.
As a practicing Catholic I am steaming mad after your post. I am religious as hell and take my faith seriously, unlike those who don't give a damn. Calling our Church a porn deal is out of line. Yes, some priests took liberties but they do that in Protestant circles too and many of the allegations involved the fathers watching the boys shower and getting a wee peek at their bare behinds. Not every cases involved penile penetration, anal activities or any of the other sick, sordid stuff that you and your atheist friends engage in. Think twice before you judge the whole damn church since some of us are sensitive as hell about our religion.
Our founding fathers

United States

#32 Sep 9, 2012
Cindy wrote:
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As a practicing Catholic I am steaming mad after your post. I am religious as hell and take my faith seriously, unlike those who don't give a damn. Calling our Church a porn deal is out of line. Yes, some priests took liberties but they do that in Protestant circles too and many of the allegations involved the fathers watching the boys shower and getting a wee peek at their bare behinds. Not every cases involved penile penetration, anal activities or any of the other sick, sordid stuff that you and your atheist friends engage in. Think twice before you judge the whole damn church since some of us are sensitive as hell about our religion.
Obamma is not happy Christianity is rising to the occasion of confronting the devil?

We all renounce Satan

And he's not happy, the Muslim president is bullying Americans in every way,
IRS being one of his henchmen...
James Russell USNR

El Paso, TX

#33 Sep 12, 2012
Cindy wrote:
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As a practicing Catholic I am steaming mad after your post. I am religious as hell and take my faith seriously, unlike those who don't give a damn. Calling our Church a porn deal is out of line. Yes, some priests took liberties but they do that in Protestant circles too and many of the allegations involved the fathers watching the boys shower and getting a wee peek at their bare behinds. Not every cases involved penile penetration, anal activities or any of the other sick, sordid stuff that you and your atheist friends engage in. Think twice before you judge the whole damn church since some of us are sensitive as hell about our religion.
I bow down to your religious fanaticism. You are as bad as the Islamic Extremists or the Westboro Baptist Church or the Florida preacher who burns Korans.
Cindy

El Paso, TX

#34 Sep 12, 2012
James Russell USNR wrote:
<quoted text>I bow down to your religious fanaticism. You are as bad as the Islamic Extremists or the Westboro Baptist Church or the Florida preacher who burns Korans.
It's too GD late for this measly apology and I don't need for a dunce like you to tell me what's what. I will light a candle for you at mass, though, and hope to hell that you soul can be saved. I am compassionate, not like all your damn atheists.
Death for religion

United States

#35 Sep 12, 2012
As we see the Egyptian attack on the American embassy,

How many Mexicans and Americans would do the same;
That is,
Die for their RELIGIOUS BELIEFS!?

As we see so sadly,
PRINCIPLE UNITES.......

UNLIKE the obammmma way.....
James Russell USNR

El Paso, TX

#36 Sep 12, 2012
Cindy wrote:
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It's too GD late for this measly apology and I don't need for a dunce like you to tell me what's what. I will light a candle for you at mass, though, and hope to hell that you soul can be saved. I am compassionate, not like all your damn atheists.
Poor little lady. There is nothing that your republican hatred can do. You may pray if you wish. Am neither godless or atheist. My belief is based on the understanding that God is here for all of us but the the governmental world is that which is CESAR's. As Christ said Give to Cesar that which is Cesar's,,,, Give to God that which is God's

My moral conscientious is clear as glass. I have no problem. The Catholic Church is going to lose their status with the IRS. I also never apologize to fanatics.
Cindy

El Paso, TX

#38 Sep 13, 2012
James Russell USNR wrote:
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My belief is based on the understanding that God is here for all of us
Where the crap did you learn that BS? That sounds like some philosophical mumbo jumbo or some sort of eastern mysticism which is more cosmic and pantheistic. Those are some wild, outrageous views you have so no wonder you don't like to explain where they came from. I did light a candle for you last night and prayed that the Virgin will heal your heart and mind and that you'll be able to see the light soon.

Since: Jun 09

DeKalb, IL

#39 Sep 13, 2012
Out here there are candidates speaking at multi-denominational churches all of the time. No one seems to flinch.

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