Catholics plan vigil over gay marriage communion stance

May 2, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Town Talk

Tom Nelson and Linda Karle-Nelson, lifelong Catholics, are the parents of gay adult children who are in committed relationships.

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The archbishop looks like an EOQ (embittered old queen) in ecclesiastical drag. I hope he develops rectal cancer.
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Homosexuals are naturally deficient in logic (as can be gleened from the first comment).
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Thomas Aquinas wrote:
Homosexuals are naturally deficient in logic (as can be gleened from the first comment).
And bigots are completely divorced from logic and common sense, as can be gleaned from ALL their comments.

PS - Check your spelling, Tommy. Ignorance is not always bliss.
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Perhaps the catholitic perverters should hire armed guards to protect themselves from communion crashers like the Southern Baptists do
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Really! Here is the resume of one of the First Baptist Church's armed guards; look under 'relevant training / activities' for:
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"Armed security guard, Georgia Credentials; worked with First Baptist Church of Atlanta as an armed guard"
http://www.valegreen.com/home/About/WmSadler
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Thomas Aquinas wrote:
Homosexuals are naturally deficient in logic (as can be gleened from the first comment).
Thomas Aquinas died in 1274
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So what we glean from your religious homophobic comment is that you are a flaming fraud; sugar
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Thomas Aquinas wrote:
Homosexuals are naturally deficient in logic (as can be gleened from the first comment).
Aww the poor small minded bigot is scared. Boowhoo. Go home and cry to your mommy

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Thomas Aquinas wrote:
Homosexuals are naturally deficient in logic (as can be gleened from the first comment).
Because nothing says "logic" like crackers and wine that magically turn into 2000-year-old body tissue once they're inside your mouth.
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EdmondWA wrote:
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Because nothing says "logic" like crackers and wine that magically turn into 2000-year-old body tissue once they're inside your mouth.
They don't become Christ when they hit your mouth.
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Rainbow Kid wrote:
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Thomas Aquinas died in 1274
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So what we glean from your religious homophobic comment is that you are a flaming fraud; sugar
Um, you didn't really think that the actual Thomas Aquinas rose from the dead to post on topix, did you?
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EdmondWA wrote:
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Because nothing says "logic" like crackers and wine that magically turn into 2000-year-old body tissue once they're inside your mouth.
Better yet, nothing says "illogic" than someone who insists that they receive Christ in the sacrament from the same Church whose authority they turn around and question publicly.

Just go somewhere else.

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Dan wrote:
They don't become Christ when they hit your mouth.
Sorry, I guess I just don't understand how the magic works.

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Dan wrote:
Better yet, nothing says "illogic" than someone who insists that they receive Christ in the sacrament from the same Church whose authority they turn around and question publicly.
Just go somewhere else.
Along with all the divorcees, adulterers, and others who pack the pews while living daily in opposition to church "authority". Oh wait, no, those people's departures from church teaching are all IGNORED and they are allowed to receive the Eucharist.

And this wasn't even ACTUAL gay people in question, but only the PARENTS of gay people, who love and support their children. Maybe the church could take a page from North Korea, and forbid 3 generations of family members. Forbidding only parents just doesn't seem harsh enough.

Why does religion have to screw up human interaction so badly? These people could get along if they weren't all trying to out-supernatural each other.
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Sorry, I guess I just don't understand how the magic works.
Glad you didn't let that keep you from sounding off about it.
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Along with all the divorcees, adulterers, and others who pack the pews while living daily in opposition to church "authority". Oh wait, no, those people's departures from church teaching are all IGNORED and they are allowed to receive the Eucharist.
And this wasn't even ACTUAL gay people in question, but only the PARENTS of gay people, who love and support their children. Maybe the church could take a page from North Korea, and forbid 3 generations of family members. Forbidding only parents just doesn't seem harsh enough.
Why does religion have to screw up human interaction so badly? These people could get along if they weren't all trying to out-supernatural each other.
Being divorced doesn't make you a proponent of divorce.

If a communicant was an unrepentant adulterer, they shouldn't approach.

It's the public and unrepentant action contrary to Church teaching that's the issue.

I can't take communion on my own terms. I can't present myself for communion from the Church while wearing a "I'm getting communion from stupid" T-Shirt. I'd be contradicting myself-it's the Church that administers the sacrament and teaches us that it IS a sacrament. I have to approach with "clean hands" to the best of my ability. I shouldn't go up there if I think they're full of crap. It's dishonest.
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EdmondWA wrote:
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Along with all the divorcees, adulterers, and others who pack the pews while living daily in opposition to church "authority". Oh wait, no, those people's departures from church teaching are all IGNORED and they are allowed to receive the Eucharist.
And this wasn't even ACTUAL gay people in question, but only the PARENTS of gay people, who love and support their children. Maybe the church could take a page from North Korea, and forbid 3 generations of family members. Forbidding only parents just doesn't seem harsh enough.
Why does religion have to screw up human interaction so badly? These people could get along if they weren't all trying to out-supernatural each other.
Also, Vigneron spoke of these folks not presenting themselves for communion, not of communion being withheld from them.

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EdmondWA wrote:
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Because nothing says "logic" like crackers and wine that magically turn into 2000-year-old body tissue once they're inside your mouth.
Maybe the Catholic Church would be more popular if it substituted M&M's for the wafers, lead to a new motto:

"They transubstantiate in your mouth, not in your hand!"

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Dan wrote:
Glad you didn't let that keep you from sounding off about it.
Since there's no such thing as magic, we are all equally experts.

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Dan wrote:
Being divorced doesn't make you a proponent of divorce.
Being gay doesn't make you evil.

Why can't the church figure this out? Why don't they ask themselves, who whould Jesus exclude? Why do they need such a long list of people they're eager to exclude?
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If a communicant was an unrepentant adulterer, they shouldn't approach.
It's the public and unrepentant action contrary to Church teaching that's the issue.
So, this thing is supposed to be self-regulated, and the church is wondering why it doesn't work correctly?

What is it, exactly, that gay people are expected to repent FOR? When I commit a crime against someone, or harm them in some way, I'm responsible for apologizing to THEM for the harm that I've caused THEM. The existence of gay people (or their happiness, or companionship) does not harm anyone (least of all an omnipotent being). They should not be ASKED to repent. What an awful idea, that a person who feels same-sex attraction should actually apologize for seeking happiness with a person of the same sex.

The chuch has been wrong before. Did they withhold communion from unrepentant heliocentrists?
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I can't take communion on my own terms.
If it's self-regulating, I'm sure you could.
Dan wrote:
I can't present myself for communion from the Church while wearing a "I'm getting communion from stupid" T-Shirt. I'd be contradicting myself-it's the Church that administers the sacrament and teaches us that it IS a sacrament. I have to approach with "clean hands" to the best of my ability. I shouldn't go up there if I think they're full of crap. It's dishonest.
As dishonest as heliocentrists?

Maybe they ARE full of crap. The clergy of the church don't know everything. Maybe some people, like these parents, think that the church is full of crap about SOME issues, but that they still hold a relevant position on OTHER issues that are still worth participating over (I don't, but they might).

If a reasonable person knows that....

A) The church has been wrong before (the solar system, Nazi support, hiding child rapists)...

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B) Gay people aren't doing anything wrong or harmful...

then they just might conclude that....

C) The church is simply wrong again, and will eventually catch up to more moral people, like these parents.

I'm with you, I wouldn't participate in such a "loving community" either. And I think that any sane grown-up should chuckle at the idea of these magic snacks. But the idea that the church would punish the PARENTS (not the ACTUAL GAY PEOPLE THEMSELVES, mind you, but only their loving parents who support them) is simply horrible.

I like seeing stories like this one, and hope we see more. They provide valuable inspiration for intelligent and truly loving people to abandon organizations that practice such ritualized traditions of division and myth.

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Dubya wrote:
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And bigots are completely divorced from logic and common sense, as can be gleaned from ALL their comments.
PS - Check your spelling, Tommy. Ignorance is not always bliss.
Do you mean the anti-homosexual bigots or the anti-Catholic bigots?

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Cathoholic wrote:
Do you mean the anti-homosexual bigots or the anti-Catholic bigots?
Those darned anti-Catholic bigots, always trying to prevent Catholics from getting married, or adopting children, or serving openly in the military, or avoiding discrimination in housing and employment... it must be tough being a Catholic, with all those state bans against their lives.

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