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Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

There are 16102 comments on the news.yahoo.com story from Apr 27, 2009, titled Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?. In it, news.yahoo.com reports that:

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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Uncircumcised Philistine

Atlanta, GA

#13432 Apr 14, 2013
-God Made man for woman and the only way for one to be fruitful and multiply is between a man and woman,PERIOD!! There is no way around from this command of God other than a male/female relationship.

Genesis 1:27-28
27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them,“Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

-Once again confirm that God made man for woman,
Genesis 2:18
18 And the Lord God said,“It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.”

-Once again confirmed what Gods definition of what a relationship leading to marriage is, so this clearly goes against homosexuality for all those that try to say the bible doesnt speak against homosexuality.

Genesis 2:24
24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

Gay marriage is against the will of God and every church has the right to refuse to marry a gay couple even if the govt made it legal in the US. God made man for woman and there is no twisting and flipping of scriptures around this.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#13433 Apr 14, 2013
Every Church and any other designated place of worship, along with their clergy has always had the right to refuse their rite of marriage to any couple that does not meet their faith's requirements for it, regardless of the couple's right to be married, except in instances where it relates to race. That will not change when same sex couples are legally allowed to marry and hasn't in the states where it is already legal. So, if you choose to believe in a God who doesn't approve, no one is taking that from you or him. Welcome to equality, it's nowhere near as scary as you folk make it out to be.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#13434 Apr 14, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Faith the redeeming work of Christ is the anchor of Christianity. Rather than conflicting with each other, different denominations more often emphasis different facets of truth.
“Christianity got over the difficulty of combining furious opposites, by keeping them both, and keeping them both furious.”
&#8213; G.K. Chesterton, Orthodoxy
Tell that to Michael Servetus, Jan Hus, William Tyndale, Erasmus ....

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#13435 Apr 14, 2013
janeebee wrote:
<quoted text>
Snyper: "Again, " ... the way is narrow and few find it ... " pretty much torpedoes any argument based upon large numbers."
I know, right? I find that most Christians fail to grasp that very few of them will find, much less are now ON, the "Narrow Way"!
They also do not recognize that there were different messages for different audiences.

The "narrow way" wasn't for the general pop.

Yeshua was training social catalysts. Remember the parable of the leaven, and the one about the salt of the Earth? He was talking about "seasonong" and "preserving" humanity, not creating a planetary salt flat. lol The goal was (and remains) the process of catalytic transformation of humanity and humanity's relations with itself and everything else ... so we wouldn't self-destruct and lay the world waste before we could grow up.

Our brain modification has rendered us a vicious, self-centered, petty, violent and most-times unable to discern reality from imagining species. It's the price of imagination itself.

Yeshua taught the way to manage our debility until we can mature enough for it to be an asset. His "yeast" needs to have certain qualities, one of which was that form of honesty, openness and unique "intuition" that is the trademark of prophets.

If it is true that " ... all flesh is grass ... " and that the flowers are rare, then those who find that "narrow" way are committed to being the microbes that enrich the soil in their silent, unseen way.

" ... he who would be great among you must be the best servant ... "

(Consider most liturgies and "divine services" and ask yourself, "When did the servants become the central guests at any party they were supposed to be working?" That's what's happened, ya know.)

This is far from the very simple message for everyone else: " ... my yoke is easy and my burden is light ... ". Far different from the " ... pick up your cross and follow me ... " and " ... lay down his life for his friends ... ". VERY different messages, indeed. The one, a message of hope and liberation now and to come. The other, the training of those whose lives it will be to assist in bringing it about.

They both DO have one core thing in common between them ... love makes it all possible, even the most difficult parts.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#13436 Apr 14, 2013
Uncircumcised Philistine wrote:
-God Made man for woman and the only way for one to be fruitful and multiply is between a man and woman,PERIOD!! There is no way around from this command of God other than a male/female relationship.
Genesis 1:27-28
27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them,“Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
-Once again confirm that God made man for woman,
Genesis 2:18
18 And the Lord God said,“It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.”
-Once again confirmed what Gods definition of what a relationship leading to marriage is, so this clearly goes against homosexuality for all those that try to say the bible doesnt speak against homosexuality.
Genesis 2:24
24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
Gay marriage is against the will of God and every church has the right to refuse to marry a gay couple even if the govt made it legal in the US. God made man for woman and there is no twisting and flipping of scriptures around this.
Sexual activity is just one way for gametes to make more gametes.

Don't keep up with science much, do ya?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#13437 Apr 14, 2013
St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, friend, the narrow path is Christ and following that path is called Christianity. Now, I understand that many like you, never accepted Christ and were never born again, so you really are not a Christian and thus the narrow path.
"By the way, the former APA president who led the way to remove homosexuality as a mental illness, says that homosexuals can be cured, have been cured, and that the APA follow politics and not science. He says that the APA is not monolithic and political, not scientific and they are losing memberships like flies."
Which APA are you talking about? The Psychiatrists or Psychologists?

You know, don't you, that Spitzer retracted?

Since: Dec 09

Chicago, IL

#13438 Apr 15, 2013
Uncircumcised Philistine wrote:
-God Made man for woman and the only way for one to be fruitful and multiply is between a man and woman,PERIOD!! There is no way around from this command of God other than a male/female relationship.
Genesis 1:27-28
27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them,“Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
-Once again confirm that God made man for woman,
Genesis 2:18
18 And the Lord God said,“It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.”
-Once again confirmed what Gods definition of what a relationship leading to marriage is, so this clearly goes against homosexuality for all those that try to say the bible doesnt speak against homosexuality.
Genesis 2:24
24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
Gay marriage is against the will of God and every church has the right to refuse to marry a gay couple even if the govt made it legal in the US. God made man for woman and there is no twisting and flipping of scriptures around this.
UP "... the only way for one to be fruitful and multiply is between a man and woman, PERIOD!!"

That is your understanding.
However, YOUR understanding is not the ONLY understanding of what it means "to be fruitful and to multiply".
There are innumerable ways one can be fruitful and multiply. Take for instance teachers and the fruitfulness of teaching.
The teacher's knowledge is mutiplied in the students who gain knowledge from them.
Multiply doesn't ONLY mean to procreate. Multiply also means propogate (plants); increase, grow, generate, or cause to..
Just as "fruitful" doesn't ONLY mean "bearing offspring". Fruitful also means worthwhile, productive, beneficial, prolific, and meaningful.

To be fruitful and multiply can apply to one's self, to one making the effort to improve themselves or to better their education; to being more positive, more understanding, more honest, more helpful; to increase one's skills or learn one....

ANYONE can be fruitful and multiply.

Marriage was never meant to glory or sanctify heterosexual procreation and family, it was meant to limit heteros to a single sex partner and make them responsible for the children that resulted from their sexual unions.
And if "God made man for woman", I shall encourage MINE to follow his heart and marry whomever he pleases.

Since: Dec 09

Chicago, IL

#13444 Apr 15, 2013
St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, friend, the narrow path is Christ and following that path is called Christianity. Now, I understand that many like you, never accepted Christ and were never born again, so you really are not a Christian and thus the narrow path.
"By the way, the former APA president who led the way to remove homosexuality as a mental illness, says that homosexuals can be cured, have been cured, and that the APA follow politics and not science. He says that the APA is not monolithic and political, not scientific and they are losing memberships like flies."
The "narrow path" is that of the TRUTH. And ANY path following Christ's Teachings could be "called" Christianity.
Furthermore, the point that was being made, is that very few find the narrow way, so it can be safely assumed the majority of Christians are NOT on it.

Since: Dec 09

Chicago, IL

#13445 Apr 15, 2013
Uncircumcised Philistine wrote:
-God Made man for woman and the only way for one to be fruitful and multiply is between a man and woman,PERIOD!! There is no way around from this command of God other than a male/female relationship.
Genesis 1:27-28
27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them,“Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
-Once again confirm that God made man for woman,
Genesis 2:18
18 And the Lord God said,“It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.”
-Once again confirmed what Gods definition of what a relationship leading to marriage is, so this clearly goes against homosexuality for all those that try to say the bible doesnt speak against homosexuality.
Genesis 2:24
24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
Gay marriage is against the will of God and every church has the right to refuse to marry a gay couple even if the govt made it legal in the US. God made man for woman and there is no twisting and flipping of scriptures around this.
UP "... the only way for one to be fruitful and multiply is between a man and woman, PERIOD!!"

That is your understanding.
However, YOUR understanding is not the ONLY understanding of what it means "to be fruitful and to multiply".
There are innumerable ways one can be fruitful and multiply. Take for instance teachers and the fruitfulness of teaching.
The teacher's knowledge mutiplies in the students who gain knowledge from their teaching.

Multiply doesn't ONLY mean to procreate. Multiply also means propogate (plants); increase, grow, generate, or cause to..
Just as "fruitful" doesn't ONLY mean "bearing offspring". Fruitful also means worthwhile, productive, beneficial, prolific, and meaningful.

To be fruitful and multiply can apply to one's self, to one making the effort to improve themselves or to better their education; to being more positive, more understanding, more honest, more helpful; to increase one's skills or learn one....

ANYONE can be fruitful and multiply.

Marriage was never meant to glory or sanctify heterosexual procreation and family, it was meant to limit heteros to a single sex partner and make them responsible for the children that resulted from their sexual unions.

And if "God made man for woman", I shall encourage MINE to follow his heart and marry whomever he pleases.

Since: Dec 09

Chicago, IL

#13446 Apr 15, 2013
St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>Nope,God was only speaking of marriage and children,so stop being a spawn for satan.
Idiot, what classes would Adam and Eve go to and what teacher, unless it was God Himself?
So, we get it, when gays said that they are normal and compare themselves with rats and dogs, they are saying that gays are normal compared to rats and dogs. Got it.
St Black Pope: "... so stop BEING a spawn FOR Satan."??????????

I doubt you'd give more of an impression you're an idiot if you were one!

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#13447 Apr 15, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell that to Michael Servetus, Jan Hus, William Tyndale, Erasmus ....
I'm familiar with the middle two who agree with me. The other two are friends of yours?

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#13448 Apr 15, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Sexual activity is just one way for gametes to make more gametes.
Don't keep up with science much, do ya?
Of course science can circumvent the union of a ovum and sperm outside of sex.

Kind of takes the fun out of it, doesn't it?

And it still exposes the mating defect of homosexuality.

Your point?

Snicker.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#13449 Apr 15, 2013
janeebee wrote:
<quoted text>
UP "... the only way for one to be fruitful and multiply is between a man and woman, PERIOD!!"
That is your understanding.
However, YOUR understanding is not the ONLY understanding of what it means "to be fruitful and to multiply".
There are innumerable ways one can be fruitful and multiply. Take for instance teachers and the fruitfulness of teaching.
The teacher's knowledge is mutiplied in the students who gain knowledge from them.
Multiply doesn't ONLY mean to procreate. Multiply also means propogate (plants); increase, grow, generate, or cause to..
Just as "fruitful" doesn't ONLY mean "bearing offspring". Fruitful also means worthwhile, productive, beneficial, prolific, and meaningful.
To be fruitful and multiply can apply to one's self, to one making the effort to improve themselves or to better their education; to being more positive, more understanding, more honest, more helpful; to increase one's skills or learn one....
ANYONE can be fruitful and multiply.
Marriage was never meant to glory or sanctify heterosexual procreation and family, it was meant to limit heteros to a single sex partner and make them responsible for the children that resulted from their sexual unions.
And if "God made man for woman", I shall encourage MINE to follow his heart and marry whomever he pleases.
What a blonde gay twirl.

You don't need marriage for multiplying anything.

But if you want a wise and healthy place to multiply humans, marriage is the cross cultural setting. Ss couples can't multiply those numbers.

Bazinga!

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#13450 Apr 15, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Which APA are you talking about? The Psychiatrists or Psychologists?
You know, don't you, that Spitzer retracted?
However, anal sex is still inherently harmful, unhealthy and demeaning.

Smile.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#13451 Apr 15, 2013
St Black Pope wrote:
<quoted text>If you don't know, then you have no clue. Sorry, Spitzer did not retract. Spitzer retired and after he was no longer a doctor he said that he had questions about his study and had no way of knowing if his subjects were telling the truth.
Well, when you go to the hospital they will give you a 10 point pain test. How? They simply ask you and you tell them the number.
Also, I never said that it was Dr. Spitzer. In fact, it was Dr. Nicholas Cummings in an April 2012 interview and a June 2012 one.
True. Competently designed surveys dependent upon self-reportage ALWAYS include "V-Scale questions" designed to ferret out deception. What a survey cannot do is ferret out bias in subject selection, or even in the survey structure itself. This is why "Test-Retest", "Inter-Test" and "Inter-Testor" Reliabilities are required for credibility prior to publication in juried professional journals, and peer-review afterwards. Ideally, no press releases should be submitted until after peer-review. Sadly, in this age of fast news, reports go out before all these criteria have been met.



Cummings, eh?

Why not Satinover, too?

Since: Mar 09

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#13452 Apr 15, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course science can circumvent the union of a ovum and sperm outside of sex.
Kind of takes the fun out of it, doesn't it?
And it still exposes the mating defect of homosexuality.
Your point?
Snicker.
"Circumvent" ?

Care to rephrase?

Again, reproduction is not the legal basis of Civil MArriage in this Nation ... anywhere.

Since: Mar 09

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#13453 Apr 15, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm familiar with the middle two who agree with me. The other two are friends of yours?
Smile.
All were victims of sectarian oppression ... the reason they were mentioned.

All but Servetus followed the Cappadoician heresies. Servetus had his own problem, and was murdered at the order of Calvin.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#13454 Apr 15, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
The law has no justification to equate SS couples to marriage
Smile
That's backwards. The Governments must provide reason to restrict or deny, not to include.

Since: Mar 09

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#13455 Apr 15, 2013
janeebee wrote:
<quoted text>
The "narrow path" is that of the TRUTH. And ANY path following Christ's Teachings could be "called" Christianity.
Furthermore, the point that was being made, is that very few find the narrow way, so it can be safely assumed the majority of Christians are NOT on it.
<nudge, nudge> <whisper>

"christianity" is a Saulian heresy based upon an atonement soteriology. Followers of the message of Yeshua have always, regardless of language, just called it "the way".

Enjoy ...

&fe ature=related
Truth

Leesburg, VA

#13456 Apr 15, 2013
janeebee wrote:
<quoted text>
UP "... the only way for one to be fruitful and multiply is between a man and woman, PERIOD!!"
That is your understanding.
However, YOUR understanding is not the ONLY understanding of what it means "to be fruitful and to multiply".
There are innumerable ways one can be fruitful and multiply. Take for instance teachers and the fruitfulness of teaching.
The teacher's knowledge mutiplies in the students who gain knowledge from their teaching.
Multiply doesn't ONLY mean to procreate. Multiply also means propogate (plants); increase, grow, generate, or cause to..
Just as "fruitful" doesn't ONLY mean "bearing offspring". Fruitful also means worthwhile, productive, beneficial, prolific, and meaningful.
To be fruitful and multiply can apply to one's self, to one making the effort to improve themselves or to better their education; to being more positive, more understanding, more honest, more helpful; to increase one's skills or learn one....
ANYONE can be fruitful and multiply.
Marriage was never meant to glory or sanctify heterosexual procreation and family, it was meant to limit heteros to a single sex partner and make them responsible for the children that resulted from their sexual unions.
And if "God made man for woman", I shall encourage MINE to follow his heart and marry whomever he pleases.
fruitful

be or become great, be or become many, be or become much, be or become numerous

to become many, become numerous, multiply (of people, animals, things)

to be or grow great

to make large, enlarge, increase, become many

to make much, make many, have many

to multiply, increase

to make much to do, do much in respect of, transgress greatly

to increase greatly or exceedingly

to make great, enlarge, do much

to shoot

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