Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Apr 27, 2009 | Posted by: SongBookz | Full story: news.yahoo.com

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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However, if the Torah is inspired, if the prophets have anything meaningful to say, then christianity is a crock of fecal matter that CANNOT possibly be true: xianity contradicts far too many of the central point from the Torah and the prophets to have ANY validity at all.
The Torah demands that the children of Israel worship one and only one God, the God that was taught to the children of Israel by Moses, and they were to worship him in the manner taught, without change, for ever. The Torah defined all sins; anything not listed in the Torah is not a sin, anything listed in the Torah will be a sin always and forever. Sins are forgiven in the manner specified in the Torah (blood sacrifice, or sacrifice without blood if that is the only thing possible, or merely through heartfelt prayer if that is the only thing that the sinner has to offer). Indeed, the prophets say that it is far better to offer nothing more than a sincere prayer than to offer a sacrifice without meaning it.
The Torah forbids the worship of any man, or anything else from the earth, the sky or the heavens. The Torah forbids ever adding to or taking away anything from the Torah. What Moses taught the Jews to do is what Jews are supposed to be doing long after the Messiah comes and is returned to dust.
Here's a hint for you: read the first 8 chapters of Deuteronomy and see if there is anything in there that contradicts what I have said here. After that, read the rest of Deuteronomy - it makes this point over and over again.
Problems with your logic. If what you say is true, Jews would still be offering blood sacrifices for their sins every year, as done in the Old Testament. The lack of a current temple wouldn't stop them as they could just as easily build another portable one like Moses had.
Another problem is that what Christianity brought to the faith was grace. The teaching that forgiveness is better than obeying the strict law. If you catch your wife cheating, it is better to forgive her than stone her. The laws of Moses do not rule out forgiveness, but they do tell you what is to be done if the person offended wants retribution.
Romans 7:6
But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.
Matt 23
23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness;
John 1:17
"For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ."

There is no conflict between the law and grace.

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The blood of Jesus dried up into dust at the same time the rest of his body did.
Actually, he lived for about 7 weeks after his crucifixion. The Roman's spear (ironically) saved his life.

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Found a Jewish site you might like. It speaks of the temple and history relating to it including prophecies.
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http://www.templeinstitute.org/messiah_temple...
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They even had some info about that Bar Cochba you mentioned.
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The Definition of Messiah in Halacha (Authentic Jewish Law)
Shortly after the destruction of the Second Temple, the Jewish warrior Bar Cochba led a short-lived rebellion against the Roman occupation of the Land of Israel (80-83 CE). Maimonides describes Bar Cochba as "a great king whom all of Israel, including the great sages, were convinced was the messiah" (Hilchot Ta'aniot Ch. 5, Hilchot Melachim Ch. 11). In fact, one of the reasons that the solemn fast of Tisha B'Av (the ninth of Av) was instituted - in addition to the destruction of the Holy Temple - was to commemorate Bar Cochba's downfall.
This is crucial to a proper understanding of the role of the messiah. From Maimonides' words, we understand that Bar Cochba's attempt to restore the kingdom to Israel and return the nation to its land is clearly defined by Jewish law as a messianic manifestation. Thus a fast was decreed for all generations to mourn the failure of this process. In other words, the attempts of Bar Cochba had messianic potential.
Similarly, the prophet Zechariah indicates that it is proper to rejoice over any messianic manifestation, even if it only exists on a small scale, or in potential.
"Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion;
shout, O daughter of Jerusalem;
behold, your king comes to you...
humble, and riding upon an ass."
That's a pretty far right sect of fanatics you've gotten yourself onto there.

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The people of Kashmir say Jesus went there and died in His 80's. Jews and Moslems have been worshipping at His burial place for centuries.

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ain't in my Bible
Cuz one of the guys you foller didn't know about it at the time they was collecting and arranging your anthology of greatest hits not to be sold in any stores.

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QUOTE FROM LINK:
"The great Bible teacher, M.R. DeHaan, M.D., has it 100% correct when he states concerning the blood of Jesus...
The blood was to be sprinkled, remember, on the mercy seat right after the death of the substitutionary animal of sacrifice, Now Christ is, of course, our substitute. He was slain for us upon the Cross, and entered into death for us, and when He arose, He immediately went to heaven, entered into the holy of holies in heaven, sprinkled His precious blood upon the mercy seat before the throne of God, and forever settled the sin questions, and delivered us from the curse of the law. This is clearly taught in the New testament. Hebrews 9:12 is very definite on this:
"But by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us."
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer%27s%2...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atonement_in_Chr...

That's just the Westerners. The Eastern sects of "christendom" have their own variations.

It's all heresy.

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Are you really that idiotic? Please tell me you trolls are deliberately acting this moronic for *giggles* or whatever reason you like to make fools out of yourselves. I find it hard to believe that anyone above a Kindergarten education would be so asinine.
The obvious forgery of the "gospel according to Peter" is quite different than the Holy Bible's 2 epistles of Peter.
"forgery"?

Like these?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_th...

More accurately, they are "pseudepigraphic".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudepigraphic

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No, all I had to see was,"The great Bible teacher, M.R. DeHaan, M.D." and I burst out laughing.
He was a very ear-tickling busy little bee for a number of years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_De_Haan

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The people of Kashmir say Jesus went there and died in His 80's. Jews and Moslems have been worshipping at His burial place for centuries.
Do some research, fundies. You may just LEARN something. LOL!

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snyper, you are really getting desperate to have link to those links, lol.

Don't you unbelievers have any thoughts of your own? That you have to resort to the same old completely debunked nonsensical theories over and over.

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Do some research, fundies. You may just LEARN something. LOL!
Making up asinine lies is now considered research?

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The people of Kashmir say ....

well .. that's what ya get for listening to them "some people" in kashmir .. good grief

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Making up asinine lies is now considered research?
Check out the BBC, moron.

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snyper, you are really getting desperate to have link to those links, lol.
Don't you unbelievers have any thoughts of your own? That you have to resort to the same old completely debunked nonsensical theories over and over.
Your theories have been debunked about 200 years ago, by Jewish and Christian scholars. LOL!

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The people of Kashmir say ....
well .. that's what ya get for listening to them "some people" in kashmir .. good grief
And listening to you somehow is different? LMAO.. Gawd the hypocrisy of you bible nuts is 'awe' some! Such extreme blinding arrogant hypocrisy.

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Well there are lists. And they vary in content. They vary because not everyone agrees what was a prophecy and what wasn't concerning the Messiah.
Example: Christians claim to list forty and more prophecies that dealt with the coming of Jesus as the Messiah. But Jews aren't so concerned about the prophecies themselves. The Jews are looking for a Jew that will by some miracle rebuild the temple where a Muslim Mosque stands. And that will be a miracle of itself. As is evident Muslims aren't turning that piece of land over to the Jews without a fight. And Muslims will probably come from the four corners to be part of that fight.
That's my point. I want to know why there isn't just one list that everybody knows is the list of prophecies concerning the Messiah.

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I read the NT. Try it.
I've read it.
What about all those Saturday workers?
Why not go warn them?

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Making up asinine lies is now considered research?
You're a hateful fundie who refuses to believe the history of your own religion. You have no right to make judgements. WHO in the HELL are YOU? You're nothing but an ignorant fundie. Next!

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KJ can't save you from the eternal Hell.
Can you provide any evidence at all that hell exists?

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Where Paul said "men with men" are "reprobate minds".
What did John, George and Ringo say?

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