Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

Apr 27, 2009 Full story: news.yahoo.com 16,104

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2721 Feb 2, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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There are many many stories of homosexuals that have changed. Just because you have not been able to does not mean others cannot.
We can discipline our sexual desires. I do it all the time. Its not always easy but I have very good reasons and motivations to do so. So do you.
So are you saying you're gay and "control yourself" or are you using the common misapplied comparison of controlling yourself from cheating on your spouse?

Because I don't cheat on my spouse either. So there's my "self control." That is a clear example of "disciplining my sexual desires."

And yes, because I have not been able to do it absolutely does mean others cannot. If it could have been done, I would have done it. It's that simple. Nobody could have tried harder, for longer, more sincerely or more desperately, with more prayer - all without ever having so much as kissed another man, which is important to note because I was not trying to stop a behavior.

God will not change a gay person to straight. I didn't say He can't. I said He won't - because He knows better than you, He had a purpose for making us gay. He wouldn't change me; He won't change anyone. It's that simple. Instead, He opened my eyes to true faith, really trusting Him, not just paying lip service like you do. I live by my faith. You just talk about it.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2723 Feb 2, 2013
Jeff wrote:
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These things in and of themselves won't turn someone to being a homosexual but they can encourage it.
Being blue eye is a part of their physical nature. You cannot discourage "blue-eyedness" but we can influence a person's sexuality and the expression of it.
No, you can't. My God, you are a moron.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2724 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Dana
No, it does not apply to everyone. A homosexual is in open rebellious sin and this does not apply to them. I love homosexuals enough to tell them to stop or burn in hell unlike you that rather see them head straight to hell. Yes, he did die for them and if they do not repent they will burn. I do not live in open rebellious sin I repent when I know I have sinned unlike the homosexual who practices their sin daily. I have gay friends so again they are also not my enemy. Learn scripture before you spout off that it applies to everyone it does not. Scripture is written to the Christians in the New Testament not to the non Christian.
<quoted text>
You cannot be a good friend to your gay "friends."
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#2726 Feb 2, 2013
Tony C wrote:
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So are you saying you're gay and "control yourself" or are you using the common misapplied comparison of controlling yourself from cheating on your spouse?
Because I don't cheat on my spouse either. So there's my "self control." That is a clear example of "disciplining my sexual desires."
And yes, because I have not been able to do it absolutely does mean others cannot. If it could have been done, I would have done it. It's that simple. Nobody could have tried harder, for longer, more sincerely or more desperately, with more prayer - all without ever having so much as kissed another man, which is important to note because I was not trying to stop a behavior.
God will not change a gay person to straight. I didn't say He can't. I said He won't - because He knows better than you, He had a purpose for making us gay. He wouldn't change me; He won't change anyone. It's that simple. Instead, He opened my eyes to true faith, really trusting Him, not just paying lip service like you do. I live by my faith. You just talk about it.
I'm still confused that you are claiming to be the standard by which to determine if a person can change their sexual orientation based on your failure to do so. When did science appoint you the determiner of the inability to change? The fact, is that there are many many ex-homosexuals who have changed.
If you were truly trusting God you would repent of your practice of homosexuality and warn others of the dangers of it. Until you do so all you are doing is deceiving yourself.

“I will not keep calm”

Since: Mar 08

Raise hell...change the world

#2727 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
not ashamed,
Yes, homosexuality is a choice and many have made that choice and left the homosexual life. No one is born anything but heterosexual. God makes no mistakes, but people do. God calls homosexuality an abomination so no he did not make them that way.
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You know, I feel sorry for you and your views on Christ.You seem to be of the mind set that he is so ready to cast his children into hell. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Sit down with a homosexual person, listen with an open heart and mind. Listen as they tell you their struggles, their pain. Then come back and tell me it's a choice. That won't happen.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2729 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Dana
That is where you are the liar cause I do have gay friends and they know where I stand on the subject. Yes, his message of love is for all, but he will not let them into heaven unless they receive Christ and repent. You do not get to tell me what work for the Lord I am doing. I love homosexuals enough to want them to repent and come to Christ do you? Or you rather them stay in their sin and burn in hell? Whose side are you on? I never claimed to be sinless. I do not live in open sin on a daily basis just to see what I can get away with and if you are a Christian and do then something is wrong with your walk with Christ. So stop with trying to condemn me and start condemning the open sin of homosexuals so they repent and come to Christ. As Jesus said there is now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.
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Oh you absolutely live in open sin and rebellion against Christ.

You are so deceived that you actually believe God would want you to act like this.

If Jesus were here right now, He would defend me against you, and admonish you for your words, your judgment, your hypocrisy, and your arrogance - at least.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2730 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Norcal Native,
You then will burn in hell if you do not come to Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior. Jesus is God manifested in the flesh.
I can tell you if your a Christian or not because I am one. I walk the walk daily and spend time talking to God and reading his Holy Word. I do not live in open rebellion like you do with your lifestyle of homosexuality.
Actually you lie it was all of mankind that killed Jesus because all have sinned and it was our sin that put him on the cross. So you nailed Jesus to the cross and so did I by rebelling and doing our own thing. One day every knee and that includes you will bow to Jesus and confess he is Lord.
Just because you do not consider it sin does not make it a non sin. You are still sinning and God is going to punish those who do not repent of the homosexual lifestyle.
Well if you ever been with a man before that proves you can change because you did it once before. So you listen to the lies of Satan and your so called inner voice and got fooled by the devil himself. You are not gay and neither is Tony. You both are confused sexually and need God to help you heal from the sexual confusion.
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Oh I am definitely gay. And God has been with me before, during, and after I came to terms with that.

All your hysteria falls on deaf ears because we live our lives and we know better. My life is exactly the life God meant for me.

And at this point it's not about sex. Like anybody else, sex tends to decrease after you get married. If I never had sex with my husband again, I still wouldn't leave him.

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#2731 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Norcal Native,
You then will burn in hell if you do not come to Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior. Jesus is God manifested in the flesh.
I can tell you if your a Christian or not because I am one. I walk the walk daily and spend time talking to God and reading his Holy Word. I do not live in open rebellion like you do with your lifestyle of homosexuality.
Actually you lie it was all of mankind that killed Jesus because all have sinned and it was our sin that put him on the cross. So you nailed Jesus to the cross and so did I by rebelling and doing our own thing. One day every knee and that includes you will bow to Jesus and confess he is Lord.
Just because you do not consider it sin does not make it a non sin. You are still sinning and God is going to punish those who do not repent of the homosexual lifestyle.
Well if you ever been with a man before that proves you can change because you did it once before. So you listen to the lies of Satan and your so called inner voice and got fooled by the devil himself. You are not gay and neither is Tony. You both are confused sexually and need God to help you heal from the sexual confusion.
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Jesus DIDN'T die on the cross........just like he NEVER carried the cross through the streets as your stories proclaim......and man did put him on the cross, but it was because Jesus was UNDERMINING the Roman's religious beliefs.....and that simply COULDN'T be ignored!!!

You certainly do sin and commit one of the biggest sins of all....SPEAKING FOR GOD, BEARING FALSE WITNESS AGAINST OTHERS BY JUDGING THEM TO YOUR VERSION OF HELL.....Sorry, but your beliefs matter not to me and you are no more than a sinner without any hope of salvation based on your UNCHRISTIAN like behavior towards others!!!!

Funny, how I supposedly can't judge you because in your eyes I am not a Christian or a Believer, but I'm suppose to accept your judgment about my spiritual/religious beliefs.......sorry, but I don't see you as anyone but a hypocritical self-absorbed, self-serving "B"!!!!

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2732 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Dana,
God does need people like me because people like me will not sugar coat the gospel to make you feel good. Grace? Grace is about over and soon people like yourself who sit on the fence and are wishy washy with the Gospel will be told depart from me I never new you. I do not think I know a homosexual cannot be a Christian and it is my duty as a Christian to show them the error of their ways so they can have another chance to repent before hell fire. If you do not like that then ignore my post, but I am not here for you I am here to spread the news repent or burn.
<quoted text>
Yeah no, God definitely does not need people like you any more than cycling needs Lance Armstrong.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2734 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Tony,
It is you that knows nothing about God.
You either repent and get a woman or you will burn in hell.
<quoted text>
Now that's funny. Just repent and get a woman.

Again - you are encouraging immorality. That would be utter deceit on my part. That would be wrong. THAT would send me to hell.

Those of us who know God don't have to walk around telling everyone "I know about God and I'm telling you..."

You're full of crap and arrogance. Read all your bible passages about arrogance and hypocrisy.

If you were truly about God, you would be helping people who actually need help, not wasting His time and our time on this.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2736 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Tony,
While you are burning in hell God will remind you of me coming to give you truth. You are a reprobate.
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LOL! Yes I'm sure that's a priority for God.

You are pretty egomaniacal for a humble servant.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2738 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Tony,
You are not a Christian you live a perverted homosexual lifestyle.
I already got to vote on you not being Christian you cannot serve man and God. Your lifestyle God does not condone. No, it is not impossible to leave homosexuality many have done it.
<quoted text>
No, they have not done it. They are only pretending.

Just like you are pretending to be some kind of authority on Christianity and who is and who isn't.

What do you hope to accomplish here, exactly? Do you think you get Jesus points for annoying gay people?
Jane Dodo

Hoboken, NJ

#2743 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Jane Dodo,
Only sexual orientation is heterosexuality all others are sexual sins. God made male and female are you that ignorant? Male and female parts fit together as one. Man and Man does not. No, the only reason I believe them is because I have witnessed those who came out of the lifestyle stuck in for decades and Christ set them free.
God says homosexuality is an abomination you tell God he is wrong. It is no better than bestiality or any other form of sexual sin.
<quoted text>
Oh puh-leez. You can deny reality all you like, it doesn't change the facts. Your concept of what is and what isn't a sin has NOTHING to do with reality. And you can stop with the lies. You don't know anyone who "came out of the lifestyle." Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds? Get some education and then get back to us. You are making "christians" look like uneducated, superstitious idiots.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2744 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Tony,
Why cause Nettiebelle agrees with you and will hold your hand all the way to hell fire? My credibility is not affected by a few misspelled words or punctuation.
<quoted text>
Only unintelligent people say things like that.
Jane Dodo

Hoboken, NJ

#2745 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Jane Dodo
Yes there was Jesus was speaking to those who knew him in a personal way as their Savior. You are clueless about the scriptures. Brethren has to do with those like minded in faith. Tony is not a Christian until he leaves homosexuality and comes to Christ. Jesus was not speaking of those who were in perverted sexual sin like homosexuality.
<quoted text>
Sorry, crazy person. There was no such thing as christianity until many years AFTER Jesus died. You are clueless about your own damn religion. Jesus preached to the JEWS.

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#2746 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Norcal Native,
The Bible says he did die on the cross now do I believe you or the Holy Word of God? I will believe the latter.
I never said I do not sin. I said I do not live in daily sin like you do in homosexuality. I repent when I am in error and then I do my best not to repeat that sin over again. Show me in the Bible where it says I cannot speak for God. Chapter and Verse please. Since Moses and David and others spoke for God.
Wow did I hit a nerve? Seems every time we hit a nerve on here you homosexuals bring out the curse words. I am sorry, but truth always hurts and if you repent God will forgive you. Oh, and I feel honored cause they also cursed Jesus and spit on him when he tried to warn them.
<quoted text>
Really, how often do you tell a lie? Every time you post about what you think you know about my life or when you claim I am sinning according to your belief.....that's pretty bad.......lol!!!

You haven't hit any nerve.......so, not only do you lie in every post....now you bear false witness about something that isn't happening!!!

I have no reason to have any issues with Jesus and it's folks like yourself who spit on him by claiming to be like him and you're simply not!!

By the way, if you are using a Voice program to type with.....you might want to correct some things......there are errors you make and IF you are using one of these types of programs......then it makes sense why they are always the same. For example:
You're-----Your
Know-------No
Knew-------New
Bear-------Bare

These are constant errors in your posts......just an observation......and if you aren't using one of those programs......then you are merely an idiot and should try proofreading your posts better!!!

With Jesus's injuries.......he couldn't carry the supposed cross that he was hung on and he didn't die on the cross......the laws of the Roman empire dictated that a person place on a cross to die had to be dead before sunset on the third day......and Jesus simply wasn't!!!

You are hardly sorry about spewing hate and untruths......and I doubt you are going to start now!!!

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2747 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Tony,
No, they are not liars. You just love your lifestyle and cannot stand that some others have left it. No one is born gay there is no gay gene and never will be. You made the choice to go into the lifestyle and now you will pay the price if you do not repent.
<quoted text>
See, when you completely ignore what I say, you lose even more credibility.

You have no standing to refute someone's real life story.

I sure as hell don't have to prove anything to you, but if I chose to be gay, I would have nothing to lose by saying so. I would just say so.

So you look like a fool insisting I chose it when I already went into great detail about how I not only didn't choose it, but tried everything to avoid it before ever acting on it for 12 years, starting when I was a 12 year old child. Are you going to try to tell me a 12 year old child, altar boy, extremely well-respected and well-regarded straight-A student who practically raised his younger siblings was so immoral that he brought this on himself?

You make no sense. You only have a book and I have my real life example, which refutes every single thing you say. My life itself is proof I am right. You have nothing. You can attempt to elevate one version of a bible to some point of extreme authority, but the reality is it isn't. You can believe whatever you want, but I am not subject to your misinterpretation of God and Christ.

You will never in your life pray on this issue as much as I have for as long as I have. I am the expert here, not you.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2748 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Tony,
No, they are not liars. You just love your lifestyle and cannot stand that some others have left it. No one is born gay there is no gay gene and never will be. You made the choice to go into the lifestyle and now you will pay the price if you do not repent.
<quoted text>
And yes, they are liars.

If you put gay porn on in front of them, they would get aroused. Guaranteed.

Straight men don't.

You can't change your sexual orientation and God won't change it for you.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2750 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
No, I was never attracted to both sexes I grew up knowing that I was attracted to the opposite because that is how men and women are wired to like one another not go for the same sex.
<quoted text>
Wow, he actually answered a question. It's a joke, but he answered.

If you were never attracted to both sexes then you did not choose your sexual orientation. You just got lucky. You get no points for that.

I also grew up "knowing" that boys were "supposed to be" attracted to girls. I never had any attraction to girls. When I hit puberty, I thought - uh oh, what's going on here? My friends started getting girlfriends. I had offers, but I was not interested. First I thought maybe I was a late bloomer, but no sexual attraction to females ever came. However, I was attracted to males. Now, would you like to explain to me how that was a choice, moron?

You didn't make a choice. I didn't either. Nobody does. You are how you are. You didn't do anything to make yourself straight. I didn't do anything to make myself gay. It's two sides of the same coin. What's true for one is true for the other. You don't get to make up your own facts because the real ones are inconvenient for you.

“equality for ALL means ALL”

Since: Jan 07

Fort Lauderdale FL

#2751 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
You can fight all you want about equality just know I will be fighting against you in this area.
I have absolutely no fear of that. You've proven a woefully unworthy adversary.

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