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Hello

New York, NY

#1 May 29, 2013
Interesting documentary on what could be a tomb built by Emperor Ashoka to hold the authentic relics of Lord Buddha.

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“bungai terong”

Since: Mar 08

lantang senang belama

#2 Jun 2, 2013
so? what's with relics? yeah, do some homage, no problem. just do not mistake relic worship as the whole of Buddha Sasana.

One give the Highest honour to the Buddha by walking the talk : the Dhamma he expounded
Xscope

Waianae, HI

#3 Jun 3, 2013
Who's saying Buddha's relics being the whole of Buddha's sasana? Read before you type! Besides, mind your own practice. Who asked you ?

“bungai terong”

Since: Mar 08

lantang senang belama

#4 Jun 3, 2013
Xscope wrote:
Who's saying Buddha's relics being the whole of Buddha's sasana? Read before you type! Besides, mind your own practice. Who asked you ?
can't a Buddhist take a friendly reminder from another Buddhist?:) it's a form of service from your friendly Kalyana Mitta. FYI,this is an open forum. Members can post.You can choose to read or to refrain :)
Xscope

Irvine, CA

#5 Jun 4, 2013
As you said, members can choose to accept or reject so called " reminder" from people they don't want to listen to. I am just expressing my choice, I hope you don't mind.

My comment above was also a "reminder" reminding you to read before you type. Don't you consider that a form of service?

Advice from kalyna mitta are always welcomed, but please let me decide for myself who the real kalyna mittas are .
Hello

Ardsley, NY

#6 Jun 4, 2013
sampuna wrote:
so? what's with relics? yeah, do some homage, no problem. just do not mistake relic worship as the whole of Buddha Sasana.
One give the Highest honour to the Buddha by walking the talk : the Dhamma he expounded
A rather funny but quite tragic thing happened this Buddha Purnima.

Apparently to celebrate Buddha poornima a Hindu family went to bathe in the ocean to, "wash away sins" per se.

The tragic part: they drowned

The funny part: Buddhists teachings questioned this sort of ritual bathing- a disciple said if bathing can destroy sins, than all the fish, turtles, etc. should be sinless.

Such a shame many do not study Buddha's teachings and try to practice their own version.
Xscope

Irvine, CA

#7 Jun 4, 2013
Showing respect to the Buddha's relic is part of Buddhism ! Of course, Buddhism also consist of the Buddha's teaching .
Hello

New York, NY

#8 Jun 4, 2013
Xscope wrote:
Showing respect to the Buddha's relic is part of Buddhism ! Of course, Buddhism also consist of the Buddha's teaching .
What really excites me about this documentary are the claims that the relics were the actual ones given originally to one of the families mentioned in the Mahaparinibbana sutta. Stupas were built for each of those relic portions. Just imagine discovering the actual relics from the other portions!!!

“bungai terong”

Since: Mar 08

lantang senang belama

#9 Jun 4, 2013
Xscope wrote:
Showing respect to the Buddha's relic is part of Buddhism ! Of course, Buddhism also consist of the Buddha's teaching .
part of, note. With or without this ritual, one can still attain arahantship. Arahantship is about clearing the defilements off the mind.
Xscope

Irvine, CA

#10 Jun 4, 2013
I hope you don't mind me reminding you that this is part of the Buddha's instruction ( Please see below). What is the intention and purpose behind misleading people to disregard it ? If you choose to disregard certain part of his complete instruction it is up to you , there is no need to drag others down with you.

When that is done, the body of the universal monarch is placed in an iron[48] oil vessel, which is enclosed in another iron vessel, a funeral pyre is built of all kinds of perfumed woods, and so the body of the universal monarch is burned; and at a crossroads a stupa is raised for the universal monarch. So it is done, Ananda, with the body of a universal monarch. And even, Ananda, as with the body of a universal monarch, so should it be done with the body of the Tathagata; and at a crossroads also a stupa should be raised for the Tathagata. And whosoever shall bring to that place garlands or incense or sandalpaste, or pay reverence, and whose mind becomes calm there — it will be to his well being and happiness for a long time."

27. "There are four persons, Ananda, who are worthy of a stupa. Who are those four? A Tathagata, an Arahant, a Fully Enlightened One is worthy of a stupa; so also is a Paccekabuddha,[49] and a disciple of a Tathagata, and a universal monarch.

28-31. "And why, Ananda, is a Tathagata, an Arahant, a Fully Enlightened One worthy of a stupa? Because, Ananda, at the thought:'This is the stupa of that Blessed One, Arahant, Fully Enlightened One!' the hearts of many people will be calmed and made happy; and so calmed and with their minds established in faith therein, at the breaking up of the body, after death, they will be reborn in a realm of heavenly happiness. And so also at the thought:'This is the stupa of that Paccekabuddha!' or 'This is the stupa of a disciple of that Tathagata, Arahant, Fully Enlightened One!' or 'This is the stupa of that righteous monarch who ruled according to Dhamma!'— the hearts of many people are calmed and made happy; and so calmed and with their minds established in faith therein, at the breaking up of the body, after death, they will be reborn in a realm of heavenly happiness. And it is because of this, Ananda, that these four persons are worthy of a stupa."

If it is something that the Buddha instructed, I would like to remind you to not mislead people to leave it out. It is not a good idea to throw this part or that part of his complete instruction out. Now, if it is a ritual that was not instructed or condoned by the Buddha then tell people to leave it out and no one will say anything.

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Xscope

Irvine, CA

#11 Jun 4, 2013
By the way, did anyone say anything about this practice is for Arahantship?

This is for " many people" regardless if they are trying to practice for Arahantship or not . That includes countless of householders that are not striving for Arahantship.

Then what exactly is this practice for ? If you read the words of the Buddha it is for:

Because, Ananda, at the thought:'This is the stupa of that Blessed One, Arahant, Fully Enlightened One!' the hearts of many people will be calmed and made happy; and so calmed and with their minds established in faith therein, at the breaking up of the body, after death, they will be reborn in a realm of heavenly happiness. And so also at the thought:'This is the stupa of that Paccekabuddha!' or 'This is the stupa of a disciple of that Tathagata, Arahant, Fully Enlightened One!' or 'This is the stupa of that righteous monarch who ruled according to Dhamma!'— the hearts of many people are calmed and made happy; and so calmed and with their minds established in faith therein, at the breaking up of the body, after death, they will be reborn in a realm of heavenly happiness"

Certain part or practice has its own reason and purpose . Let's be clear about what each part is about before suggesting that it is useless.
Xscope

Irvine, CA

#12 Jun 4, 2013
Hello wrote:
<quoted text>
What really excites me about this documentary are the claims that the relics were the actual ones given originally to one of the families mentioned in the Mahaparinibbana sutta. Stupas were built for each of those relic portions. Just imagine discovering the actual relics from the other portions!!!
Buddha's relic is a rare thing indeed, and extremely precious!

“bungai terong”

Since: Mar 08

lantang senang belama

#13 Jun 5, 2013
rites & rituals came in later :) as per the Mahaparinibbana Sutta which you qouted from,the stupa is for the many to reflect on, not worshipped
xScope

Riverside, CA

#14 Jun 5, 2013
The instruction of the Buddha is there, it is given at a suitable time appropriate to the event. What it is for is clear in the Buddha's own words. If you read it again it should be clear that the Buddha did not say reflecting on the relic but without the relic. Why then would he instructed disciples to set up stupas at a cross roads. But rather, upon seeing the stupa that contains his relic, it conjures in people's mind the thought :

"This is the stupa of that Blessed One, Arahant, Fully Enlightened One!' the hearts of many people will be calmed and made happy; and so calmed and with their minds established in faith therein, at the breaking up of the body, after death, they will be reborn in a realm of heavenly happiness. "

When it comes to worship, by worshipping are you referring to paying reference , bringing flowers and scents ? Just read ithe Buddha's instruction again below :

"And even, Ananda, as with the body of a universal monarch, so should it be done with the body of the Tathagata; and at a crossroads also a stupa should be raised for the Tathagata. And whosoever shall bring to that place garlands or incense or sandalpaste, or pay reverence, and whose mind becomes calm there — it will be to his well being and happiness for a long time."

“bungai terong”

Since: Mar 08

lantang senang belama

#15 Jun 6, 2013
xScope wrote:
"And even, Ananda, as with the body of a universal monarch, so should it be done with the body of the Tathagata; and at a crossroads also a stupa should be raised for the Tathagata. And whosoever shall bring to that place garlands or incense or sandalpaste, or pay reverence, and whose mind becomes calm there — it will be to his well being and happiness for a long time."
:) for your own happiness, do dig in more into the sutta, to identify unadulterated parts,and diluted parts :)

Bhikkhu Anandajoti is doing a good job, go join him to find out the pithwood of Buddha Dhamma

The Sasana,is afterall concerned about Sila (virtue), Bhavana (mental culture) and all about sweeping out Kilesas (defilements)
xScope

Riverside, CA

#16 Jun 6, 2013
If we don't even know what is clearly written , then how are we going to know about other things.

It is important that the Sasana understand every aspect of the Buddha's instruction so we end up with an incomplete one. If a simple practice is not well understood , then how is it possible to understand more complex concepts .

“bungai terong”

Since: Mar 08

lantang senang belama

#17 Jun 6, 2013
xScope wrote:
If we don't even know what is clearly written , then how are we going to know about other things.
It is important that the Sasana understand every aspect of the Buddha's instruction so we end up with an incomplete one. If a simple practice is not well understood , then how is it possible to understand more complex concepts .
superficially what you say may be true. however, today, we know that:

1. Abhidhamma Pitaka is a later inclusion

2. Acariya Buddhaghosa's treatises have somehow overshadow the prominence & status of our Lord's words

3. The Buddha consistently mentions Dhamma & Vinaya as our guide after His demise,now we have the 'Tipitaka'

4.Khudaka Nikaya, which means the 'small collection' have somehow grew in size and volume after our latest Sanghayana in Burma

5.The Paritta Chants have been modified with introductory passage by the Catta Sanghayana in Burma

~ just some reflections, it's high time to do some real homework to get to the essence of the Buddha Sasana
xScope

Irvine, CA

#18 Jun 6, 2013
Oh let's ignore the suttas and listen to you then. If the Tipitaka does not conform to you then it must be fake. Your words must be the point of reference for Buddhist now. How could the Tipitaka be reliable since it is the opposite of you advice. You must be the new Buddha of this age . All hail sampu !
xScope

Irvine, CA

#19 Jun 6, 2013
If you want to say that the part from the Mahaparinibbana sutta above is fake then you better prove that particular part clearly !

First you showed disregard for the relics of the Buddha, and now want to show disregard for the suttas when it is shown that your advice actually contradicts the sutta by implying that the above sutta is unreliable without clear evidence . Are you resorting to this again sampu ? You even try this with the Mahaparinibbana Sutta sampu ?

Sampu, the suttas are not reliable so don't read it . Why don't you make up your own dhamma and teach that.

“bungai terong”

Since: Mar 08

lantang senang belama

#20 Jun 7, 2013
xScope wrote:
Oh let's ignore the suttas and listen to you then. If the Tipitaka does not conform to you then it must be fake. Your words must be the point of reference for Buddhist now. How could the Tipitaka be reliable since it is the opposite of you advice. You must be the new Buddha of this age . All hail sampu !
dear xscope, tackle what i presented one by one. there were 5 items. can't deny them can you?

i'm all in for Nikayas, i don't like those Bodhi pujas that blotted out the Buddha's true message, get it?

it's a disease that is wiping out prestine Dhamma. Harken to this message of the Buddha :

"... in the course of the future there will be monks who won't listen when discourses that are words of the Tathagata — deep, deep in their meaning, transcendent, connected with emptiness — are being recited. They won't lend ear, won't set their hearts on knowing them, won't regard these teachings as worth grasping or mastering. But they will listen when discourses that are literary works — the works of poets, elegant in sound, elegant in rhetoric, the work of outsiders, words of disciples — are recited. They will lend ear and set their hearts on knowing them. They will regard these teachings as worth grasping & mastering.

"In this way the disappearance of the discourses that are words of the Tathagata — deep, deep in their meaning, transcendent, connected with emptiness — will come about.

"Thus you should train yourselves:'We will listen when discourses that are words of the Tathagata — deep, deep in their meaning, transcendent, connected with emptiness — are being recited. We will lend ear, will set our hearts on knowing them, will regard these teachings as worth grasping & mastering.' That's how you should train yourselves." ~ Ani Sutta

Now, we have half truths mixed with Buddha Dhamma, we have to cleaer all those half truths out.

The Truth is bitter, it goes against all our cultural upbringing : what do you value more? the paraheras or Nibbana?

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