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Hello

Westbury, NY

#1 Dec 6, 2012
I have posted Buddha's support of King Pasenadi who defeated the evil Ajatshtru in battle. This story demonstrates Buddha NEVER said we should not defend our precious human births. As Buddhists it is our duty to protect the good against evil.

The greatest sinners are those who will let the precious Dharma die and allow the religions of lies and myths overtake this earth.

Another great sutta shows even the weak to defend themselves- he teaches the quail to hunt the Hawk!
Hello

Westbury, NY

#2 Dec 6, 2012


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Samyutta Nikaya SN 47
SN 47.6 PTS: S v 146 CDB ii 1632
Sakunagghi Sutta: The Hawk
translated from the Pali by
Thanissaro Bhikkhu
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"Once a hawk suddenly swooped down on a quail and seized it. Then the quail, as it was being carried off by the hawk, lamented,'O, just my bad luck and lack of merit that I was wandering out of my proper range and into the territory of others! If only I had kept to my proper range today, to my own ancestral territory, this hawk would have been no match for me in battle.'

"'But what is your proper range?' the hawk asked.'What is your own ancestral territory?'

"'A newly plowed field with clumps of earth all turned up.'

"So the hawk, without bragging about its own strength, without mentioning its own strength, let go of the quail.'Go, quail, but even when you have gone there you won't escape me.'

"Then the quail, having gone to a newly plowed field with clumps of earth all turned up and climbing up on top of a large clump of earth, stood taunting the hawk,'Now come and get me, you hawk! Now come and get me, you hawk!'

"So the hawk, without bragging about its own strength, without mentioning its own strength, folded its two wings and suddenly swooped down toward the quail. When the quail knew,'The hawk is coming at me full speed,' it slipped behind the clump of earth, and right there the hawk shattered its own breast.

"This is what happens to anyone who wanders into what is not his proper range and is the territory of others.

"For this reason, you should not wander into what is not your proper range and is the territory of others. In one who wanders into what is not his proper range and is the territory of others, Mara gains an opening, Mara gains a foothold. And what, for a monk, is not his proper range and is the territory of others? The five strands of sensuality. Which five? Forms cognizable by the eye — agreeable, pleasing, charming, endearing, fostering desire, enticing. Sounds cognizable by the ear... Aromas cognizable by the nose... Flavors cognizable by the tongue... Tactile sensations cognizable by the body — agreeable, pleasing, charming, endearing, fostering desire, enticing. These, for a monk, are not his proper range and are the territory of others.

"Wander, monks, in what is your proper range, your own ancestral territory. In one who wanders in what is his proper range, his own ancestral territory, Mara gains no opening, Mara gains no foothold. And what, for a monk, is his proper range, his own ancestral territory? The four frames of reference. Which four? There is the case where a monk remains focused on the body in & of itself — ardent, alert, & mindful — putting aside greed & distress with reference to the world. He remains focused on feelings in & of themselves... mind in & of itself... mental qualities in & of themselves — ardent, alert, & mindful — putting aside greed & distress with reference to the world. This, for a monk, is his proper range, his own ancestral territory."
Hello

Westbury, NY

#3 Dec 6, 2012
This tale shows:

1) Know your enemy. all his moves.
2) Use strategy to save yourself if in enemy territory.
3) keep mind clear by practicing Buddhist meditation. let not negative or evil thoughts as hatred or anger cloud the mind.
4) bring enemy into your territory. Crush the enemy so he never rises again.

Let the sheep dressed in Buddhist cloths bleat about pacifism in the face of a violent attack.

“bungai terong”

Since: Mar 08

lantang senang belama

#4 Dec 8, 2012
You indeed copied nicely.As you were too busy with the hawk thing,you missed the intended message of our Lord :

In one who wanders into what is not his proper range and is the territory of others, Mara gains an opening, Mara gains a foothold. And what, for a monk, is not his proper range and is the territory of others? The five strands of sensuality. Which five? Forms cognizable by the eye — agreeable, pleasing, charming, endearing, fostering desire, enticing. Sounds cognizable by the ear... Aromas cognizable by the nose... Flavors cognizable by the tongue... Tactile sensations cognizable by the body — agreeable, pleasing, charming, endearing, fostering desire, enticing. These, for a monk, are not his proper range and are the territory of others.

"Wander, monks, in what is your proper range, your own ancestral territory. In one who wanders in what is his proper range, his own ancestral territory, Mara gains no opening, Mara gains no foothold. And what, for a monk, is his proper range, his own ancestral territory? The four frames of reference. Which four? There is the case where a monk remains focused on the body in & of itself — ardent, alert, & mindful — putting aside greed & distress with reference to the world. He remains focused on feelings in & of themselves... mind in & of itself... mental qualities in & of themselves — ardent, alert, & mindful — putting aside greed & distress with reference to the world. This, for a monk, is his proper range, his own ancestral territory."

*Anyone who's competent in English would understand the hawk thing was just a simile.The intended message is as posted here.
Hello

Westbury, NY

#5 Dec 10, 2012
Are you saying Buddha said Buddhists have no right to self defense?
Buddhism is about self defense. It is the ultimate self defense.
This sutta is directly about self defense. Islam and all nonBuddhists are Mara for they try to follow false beliefs.
sampuna

Malaysia

#6 Dec 10, 2012
in case you mince up more of this beautiful sutta to suite your wrong views,read this :

"... He remains focused on feelings in & of themselves... mind in & of itself... mental qualities in & of themselves — ardent, alert, & mindful — putting aside greed & distress with reference to the world. This, for a monk, is his proper range, his own ancestral territory."

~ this sutta clearly tells us be on guard,with reference to the Satipathanas :the frames of references [ KAyanupassana,Vedananupassana, Cittanupassana,Dhammanupassana ]
Hello

Westbury, NY

#7 Dec 10, 2012
sampuna wrote:
in case you mince up more of this beautiful sutta to suite your wrong views,read this :
"... He remains focused on feelings in & of themselves... mind in & of itself... mental qualities in & of themselves — ardent, alert, & mindful — putting aside greed & distress with reference to the world. This, for a monk, is his proper range, his own ancestral territory."
~ this sutta clearly tells us be on guard,with reference to the Satipathanas :the frames of references [ KAyanupassana,Vedananupassana, Cittanupassana,Dhammanupassana ]
A putthujana would never understand what this sutta means.

When a person composed of lies like a putthujana like you or Muslim comes, he remains alert.

A Buddhist knows the lies and the liar are the same, and is ready to destroy evil to convert the liar.
DDR

Hampton, VA

#8 Dec 10, 2012
There are many incidence in the Jatakas where The Lord Buddha lead his followers to victory over evil beings. There is no such thing as surrendering to the jaws of evil. Here in this sutta the Buddha teaches his disciple to triumph over the evil one rather than succumbing to it.
sampuna

Malaysia

#9 Dec 10, 2012
Hello wrote:
<quoted text>
A putthujana would never understand what this sutta means.
When a person composed of lies like a putthujana like you or Muslim comes, he remains alert.
A Buddhist knows the lies and the liar are the same, and is ready to destroy evil to convert the liar.
;) tell me more about understanding a sutta. Suttas have been posted to back up all the Dhammic values I shared. You on the other hand posted unfounded hate-filled ideas, that you claimed are Buddhist ideas,yet there is no suttas that would fit into your unDhammic ideas.Hence you distort the suttas for the main purpose of bashing non-Buddhists.

I cannot understand why you bother posting unDhammic ideas on a Buddhist forum.If your brand is military Buddhism,you have got no support from Pristine Dhamma.

Our Lord is not Bhagava without reason,the World Honoured One.You can praise our Lord so high in contrast to others,yet the way you portray his teaching here,it makes no difference when you support tit-for-tat ideas,which is clearly run in contrary to Buddha Dhamma.

You can have your own little monologues to seemingly show that you get other's support. You know for yourself.

Who the Buddha is, His Supreme Dhamma & His Ariya Sanghas,you know them,yet you put your bigoted ideas foremost.

As I said,if you can back up those violent ideas of yours with those in the Nikayas,then it is Buddhistic. Uptodate,there is none.
DDR

Williamsburg, VA

#10 Dec 10, 2012
You are still in denial aren't you sampuna! The Buddha did not prevent a Buddhist king from marching into battle when the Buddhist country was attacked nor did he say it was undharmic. What is violent about protecting innocent people.

"You can be a soldier of Truth, but not the aggressor.

One day, Sinha, the general of the army, went to the Buddha and said,'I am a soldier, O Blessed One. I am appointed by the King to enforce his laws and to wage his wars. The Buddha teaches infinite love, kindness and compassion for all sufferers: Does the Buddha permit the punishment of the criminal? And also, does the Buddha declare that it is wrong to go to war for the protection of our homes, our wives, our children and our property? Does the Buddha teach the doctrine of complete self-surrender? Should I suffer the evil-doer to do with what he pleases and yield submissively to him who threatens to take by violence what is my own? Does the Buddha maintain that all strife including warfare waged for a righteous cause should be forbidden?' "

The answer from the Buddha is NO!

Not only you held false assumption about the dharma but fail to learn even after the teaching was pointed out to you!

The Buddha taught you not to go attack others, but that shouldn't be stretched to mean allowing others to harm you and loved ones! That would be lack of compassion for yourself, benefactors, loved ones , and that is not the teaching of the Buddha.

Please go back and see that clearly yourself, benefactors, and loved ones are among those to receive compassion as well. However you promote something that you yourself made up. What makes you think that anyone would listen to you!

You busy yourself with kicking up a stink defending an illegal mosque but don't care if Buddhists are being killed, gang rape, buddhist temples burned down. Hardly anyone here consider you a Buddhist at all. But sure, stick around and repeat your non-sense.

It is mentioned in the text that the Buddha told the Bhikkhus not to light up the fire because sometimes snakes would come out under the pile of wood and kill them . However, later someone extended that to electric heater also. The person refused to switch on the heater and catches a flu. Sound familiar sampuna ?
DDR

Williamsburg, VA

#11 Dec 10, 2012
Here are the Buddha's own words for you:

"The Blessed One continued: "The Tathagata teaches that all warfare in which man tries to slay his brother is lamentable, but HE DOES NOT TEACH THAT THOSE WHO GO TO WAR IN A RIGHTEOUS CAUSE AFTER HAVING EXHAUSTED ALL MEANS TO PRESERVE PEACE ARE BLAMEWORTHY . HE MUST BE BLAMED WHO IS THE CAUSE OF WAR . The Tathagata teaches a complete surrender of self, BUT HE DOES NOT TEACH A SURRENDER OF ANYTHING TO THOSE POWERS THAT ARE EVIL , BE THEY MEN OR GODS, or THE ELEMENTS OF NATURE. Struggle must be, for all life is a struggle of some kind. But he that struggles should look to it lest he struggle in the interest of self against truth and righteousness."
sampuna

Malaysia

#12 Dec 11, 2012
stir up whatever sentiments you want,you should know what i questioned.

1. i questioned that Dambulla monk's action of calling for demolition of not only mosque but kovils,just because THEY WERE BUILT ON 'HOLYLAND'.You have not shown me a single sentence from the suttas regarding this Buddhist 'holyland' concept. thank you.

2.i also question your hateful postings,it's not about my stand on Buddhists being raped, killed etc. Do not mince my words here.

3.my stand is all for loving kindness. Do you have the name of that sutta? or was it just copied from somewhere?Now there's a clipping from Sutta Nipata. Read :

When a warrior strives & exerts himself in battle, his mind is already seized, debased, & misdirected by the thought:'May these beings be struck down or slaughtered or annihilated or destroyed. May they not exist': If others then strike him down & slay him while he is thus striving & exerting himself in battle, then with the breakup of the body, after death, he is reborn in the hell called the realm of those slain in battle. But if he holds such a view as this:'When a warrior strives & exerts himself in battle, if others then strike him down & slay him while he is striving & exerting himself in battle, then with the breakup of the body, after death, he is reborn in the company of devas slain in battle,' that is his wrong view. Now, there are two destinations for a person with wrong view, I tell you: either hell or the animal womb."

Whatever you have shown is still plausable though,yet please bear in mind those clauses in what you have posted :

" But he that struggles should look to it lest he struggle in the interest of self against truth and righteousness."

Do you think you have posted in the spirit of what you have pasted here? All those unnecessary hate? There is no war.

The Bodh gaya situation is but one of the many that Buddhists who practise will find no offence to.Remember the main object of meditation?

I'm living among muslims,and the Sasana is thriving.What have you ,who live outside this group to say? check out how many temples & meditation centres are there in malaysia.

To falsely quote the Dhamma for one's personal agenda is indeed regretful. We Buddhists are and will still stand for Ahimsa.
sampuna

Malaysia

#13 Dec 11, 2012
DDR wrote:
Here are the Buddha's own words for you:
"The Blessed One continued: "The Tathagata teaches that all warfare in which man tries to slay his brother is lamentable, but HE DOES NOT TEACH THAT THOSE WHO GO TO WAR IN A RIGHTEOUS CAUSE AFTER HAVING EXHAUSTED ALL MEANS TO PRESERVE PEACE ARE BLAMEWORTHY . HE MUST BE BLAMED WHO IS THE CAUSE OF WAR . The Tathagata teaches a complete surrender of self, BUT HE DOES NOT TEACH A SURRENDER OF ANYTHING TO THOSE POWERS THAT ARE EVIL , BE THEY MEN OR GODS, or THE ELEMENTS OF NATURE. Struggle must be, for all life is a struggle of some kind. But he that struggles should look to it lest he struggle in the interest of self against truth and righteousness."
Please quote the Nikayas. This is not from the Nikayas but from one Paul Carus, an author of the 'Gospel of Buddha'. His unfounded writing also caused Muslims worldwide to copy and paste his work and claim it to refer to the birth of their prophet.

Firsthand source is always the best,especially for 'Buddhism' related discussions.
DDR

Mechanicsville, VA

#15 Dec 11, 2012
"Simha said: "One doubt still lurks in my mind concerning the doctrine of the Blessed One. Will the Blessed One consent to clear the cloud away so that I may understand the Dharma as the Blessed One teaches it?"

The Tathagata having given his consent, Simha continued: "I am a soldier, O Blessed One, and am appointed by the king to enforce his laws and to wage his wars. Does the Tathagata who teaches kindness without end and compassion with all sufferers, permit the punishment of the criminal? and further, does the Tathagata declare that it is wrong to go to war for the protection of our homes, our wives, our children, and our property? Does the Tathagata teach the doctrine of a complete self-surrender, so that I should suffer the evil-doer to do what he pleases and yield submissively to him who threatens to take by violence what is my own? Does the Tathagata maintain that all strife, including such warfare as is waged for a righteous cause should be forbidden?"

The Buddha replied: "He who deserves punishment must be punished, and he who is worthy of favor must be favored. Yet at the same time he teaches to do no injury to any living being but to be full of love and kindness. These injunctions are not contradictory, for whosoever must be punished for the crimes which he has committed, suffers his injury not through the ill-will of the judge but on account of his evildoing. His own acts have brought upon him the injury that the executer of the law inflicts. When a magistrate punishes, let him not harbor hatred in his breast, yet a murderer, when put to death, should consider that this is the fruit of his own act. As soon as he will understand that the punishment will purify his soul, he will no longer lament his fate but rejoice at it."

The Blessed One continued: "The Tathagata teaches that all warfare in which man tries to slay his brother is lamentable, but he does not teach that those who go to war in a righteous cause after having exhausted all means to preserve the peace are blameworthy. He must be blamed who is the cause of war. The Tathagata teaches a complete surrender of self, but he does not teach a surrender of anything to those powers that are evil, be they men or gods or the elements of nature. Struggle must be, for all life is a struggle of some kind. But he that struggles should look to it lest he struggle in the interest of self against truth and righteousness."
DDR

Mechanicsville, VA

#17 Dec 11, 2012
Defending the light is not blameworthy. Watch innocent people and loved ones die if you fear hell . If you don't defend the innocent , family and loved ones, your life will be a living hell any ways .
sampuna wrote:
1. i questioned that Dambulla monk's action of calling for demolition of not only mosque but kovils,just because THEY WERE BUILT ON 'HOLYLAND'.You have not shown me a single sentence from the suttas regarding this Buddhist 'holyland' concept. thank you.
Dambulla is called a " holyland" because it is a protected ancient site where I newer structures are allowed according to the law. Same goes with Bodhgaya, even Buddhist monastery constructed later has to go if they fall within the boundary . I would consider you a Buddhist if you abuse the imams or Muslims with the same fervor for the countless temples burned to the ground and ransacked across Iran, Maldives, Afganistan, etc..
sampuna wrote:
Do you think you have posted in the spirit of what you have pasted here? All those unnecessary hate?
Of course all my postings are in the spirit of protecting Truth and righteousness , for the protection of innocent people, to defend the dharma . Your raving and ranting is non-sense .
sampuna wrote:
" I'm living among muslims,and the Sasana is thriving.What have you ,who live outside this group to say? check out how many temples & meditation centres are there in malaysia.
Malaysia was not a Muslim country , but was islamized later . Tell that to the Buddhists in the Middle East, tell that to the Buddhists in Afganistan , tell that to the Buddhists in the Maldives. Tell that to the Buddhists in Bangladesh . Tell that to the Buddhist in Southern Thailand.

Wait until they cut your throat then wake up!
sampuna wrote:
To falsely quote the Dhamma for one's personal agenda is indeed regretful.
Now you are falsely accusing people again. Prove that what I post is not from the text .
Hello

Westbury, NY

#18 Dec 11, 2012
sampuna wrote:
<quoted text>
;) tell me more about understanding a sutta. Suttas have been posted to back up all the Dhammic values I shared. You on the other hand posted unfounded hate-filled ideas, that you claimed are Buddhist ideas,yet there is no suttas that would fit into your unDhammic ideas.Hence you distort the suttas for the main purpose of bashing non-Buddhists.
I cannot understand why you bother posting unDhammic ideas on a Buddhist forum.If your brand is military Buddhism,you have got no support from Pristine Dhamma.
Our Lord is not Bhagava without reason,the World Honoured One.You can praise our Lord so high in contrast to others,yet the way you portray his teaching here,it makes no difference when you support tit-for-tat ideas,which is clearly run in contrary to Buddha Dhamma.
You can have your own little monologues to seemingly show that you get other's support. You know for yourself.
Who the Buddha is, His Supreme Dhamma & His Ariya Sanghas,you know them,yet you put your bigoted ideas foremost.
As I said,if you can back up those violent ideas of yours with those in the Nikayas,then it is Buddhistic. Uptodate,there is none.
You're an idiot, not a Buddhist. You cannot be both. Buddhism means the 'intelligent' ones.

Again, kings who were at war in the Suttas were Buddhists, that included Pasenadi, King Bimbisara.

Lord Buddha called them righteous and NEVER interfered when they went to war like pacifist idiots like you.

Call King Pasenadi or any warring Buddhist king a putthujana you die!
Hello

Westbury, NY

#19 Dec 11, 2012
No real Buddhist would ever criticize a Buddhist over a Muslim since that would be supporting the defilements of lies over the pure skandhas which compose Buddhists.

Sampunna is an idiot defiled by muslims in Malaysia.

The DAlai Lama and other REAL Buddhists Never said anything bad about the Myanmar or Lankan Buddhists, in fact, they called them great defenders, only encouraged them to practice more compassion towards the Muslims.
Hello

Westbury, NY

#20 Dec 11, 2012
Proof Sampunna is retardist and not a Buddhist:

Mahaparinibanna sutta, the now Buddhist convert king war monger Ajatshatru wants to wage war against Vajjis, The King makes his notion known to Buddha through his minister that he wants to destroy the Vajjis. Buddha's response to the now Buddhist king Ajatshatru is BEAUTIFUL!

3. "Very well, sire," said the brahman Vassakara in assent to Ajatasattu, king of Magadha. And he ordered a large number of magnificent carriages to be made ready, mounted one himself, and accompanied by the rest, drove out to Rajagaha towards Vultures' Peak. He went by carriage as far as the carriage could go, then dismounting, he approached the Blessed One on foot. After exchanging courteous greetings with the Blessed One, together with many pleasant words, he sat down at one side and addressed the Blessed One thus: "Venerable Gotama, Ajatasattu, the king of Magadha, pays homage at the feet of the Venerable Gotama and wishes him good health, strength, ease, vigour, and comfort. He desires to wage war against the Vajjis, and he has spoken in this fashion:'These Vajjis, powerful and glorious as they are, I shall annihilate them, I shall make them perish, I shall utterly destroy them.'"
Hello

Westbury, NY

#21 Dec 11, 2012
Buddha than tells the minister what gives a country strength and answered the minister's question, not once telling Ajatshatru to desist from war or conquest.

I love Buddha, the Lion of the Shakyas!
sampuna

Malaysia

#22 Dec 12, 2012
DDR wrote:
"Simha said: "One doubt still lurks in my mind concerning the doctrine of the Blessed One. Will the Blessed One consent to clear the cloud away so that I may understand the Dharma as the Blessed One teaches it?"
The Tathagata having given his consent, Simha continued: "I am a soldier, O Blessed One, and am appointed by the king to enforce his laws and to wage his wars. Does the Tathagata who teaches kindness without end and compassion with all sufferers, permit the punishment of the criminal? and further, does the Tathagata declare that it is wrong to go to war for the protection of our homes, our wives, our children, and our property? Does the Tathagata teach the doctrine of a complete self-surrender, so that I should suffer the evil-doer to do what he pleases and yield submissively to him who threatens to take by violence what is my own? Does the Tathagata maintain that all strife, including such warfare as is waged for a righteous cause should be forbidden?"
The Buddha replied: "He who deserves punishment must be punished, and he who is worthy of favor must be favored. Yet at the same time he teaches to do no injury to any living being but to be full of love and kindness. These injunctions are not contradictory, for whosoever must be punished for the crimes which he has committed, suffers his injury not through the ill-will of the judge but on account of his evildoing. His own acts have brought upon him the injury that the executer of the law inflicts. When a magistrate punishes, let him not harbor hatred in his breast, yet a murderer, when put to death, should consider that this is the fruit of his own act. As soon as he will understand that the punishment will purify his soul, he will no longer lament his fate but rejoice at it."
The Blessed One continued: "The Tathagata teaches that all warfare in which man tries to slay his brother is lamentable, but he does not teach that those who go to war in a righteous cause after having exhausted all means to preserve the peace are blameworthy. He must be blamed who is the cause of war. The Tathagata teaches a complete surrender of self, but he does not teach a surrender of anything to those powers that are evil, be they men or gods or the elements of nature. Struggle must be, for all life is a struggle of some kind. But he that struggles should look to it lest he struggle in the interest of self against truth and righteousness."
~ authored by Paul Carus???

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