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Tibetan Buddhism and Modern Physics: Toward a Union of Love and Knowledge

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“Bharatha Union 4 Peace”

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#1 Jan 1, 2012
Tibetian Buddhism is the only one from Lord Buddha's Teachings.

More Western people and the whole world people LOVE Tibetian Buddhism and Dalai Lama as their Most Rev Guru/Guide.

All the Good People look at other Evil Buddhist Monks from Shree Lanka, Bhutan Thailand etc as Sex Agents for the Sex Tourists.
Hello

South Ozone Park, NY

#2 Jan 1, 2012
RohanX wrote:
Tibetian Buddhism is the only one from Lord Buddha's Teachings.
More Western people and the whole world people LOVE Tibetian Buddhism and Dalai Lama as their Most Rev Guru/Guide.
All the Good People look at other Evil Buddhist Monks from Shree Lanka, Bhutan Thailand etc as Sex Agents for the Sex Tourists.
Slug.
Uxxos

Goodman, MO

#4 Jan 4, 2012
Not really so guys. The Zoroastrian religion is believed to be the oldest religion in the world. Modern dating dates the Zoroastrian religion from 6000 BC to 400 BC, and not only does the Zoroastrian religion possiblly predate Hinduism, zoroastrian hymns are believed to possiblly predate Hindu texts.

The date of Zoroaster, i.e., the date of composition of the Old Avestan gathas, is unknown. Dates proposed in scholarly literature diverge widely, between the 18th and the 6th centuries BC.

Until the late 17th century, Zoroaster was generally dated to about the 6th century BC, which coincided with both the "Traditional date" However Some ancient authors also give a date corresponding to about 6000 BC.

According to the Zoroastrian story of creation, Ahura Mazda (The Creator of the Universe) existed in light in goodness above, while Angra Mainyu existed in darkness and ignorance below. They have existed independently of each other for all time, and manifest contrary substances. Ahura Mazda first created seven abstract heavenly beings called Amesha Spentas, who support him and represent beneficent aspects, along with numerous yazads, lesser beings worthy of worship. He then created the universe itself in order to ensnare evil. Ahura Mazda created the floating, egg-shaped universe in two parts: first the spiritual (menog) and 3,000 years later, the physical (getig). Ahura Mazda then created Gayomard, the archetypical perfect man, and the first bull.

While Ahura Mazda created the universe and mankind, Angra Mainyu, whose instinct is to destroy, miscreated demons, evil yazads, and noxious creatures (khrafstar) such as snakes, ants, and flies. Angra Mainyu created an opposite, evil being for each good being, except for humans, which he found he could not match. Angra Mainyu invaded the universe through the base of the sky, inflicting Gayomard and the bull with suffering and death. However, the evil forces were trapped in the universe and could not retreat. The dying primordial man and bull emitted seeds. From the bull's seed grew all beneficial plants and animals of the world, and from the man's seed grew a plant whose leaves became the first human couple. Man thus struggles in a two-fold universe trapped with evil. The evils of this physical world are not products of an inherent weakness, but are the fault of Angra Mainyu's assault on creation. This assault turned the perfectly flat, peaceful, and ever day-lit world into a mountainous, violent place that is half night.
Uxxos

Goodman, MO

#5 Jan 4, 2012
The Bundahishn ("Creation"), or Knowledge from the Zand

CHAPTER 1.
0.
In the name of the creator Ohrmazd.
1.
The Zand-akas ('Zand-knowing or tradition-informed'), which is first about Ohrmazd's original creation and the antagonism of the evil spirit, and afterwards about the nature of the creatures from the original creation till the end, which is the future existence (tanu-i pasino). 2. As revealed by the religion of the Mazdayasnians, so it is declared that Ohrmazd is supreme in omniscience and goodness, and unrivaled in splendor; the region of light is the place of Ohrmazd, which they call 'endless light,' and the omniscience and goodness of the unrivaled Ohrmazd is what they call 'revelation.' 3. Revelation is the explanation of both spirits together; one is he who is independent of unlimited time, because Ohrmazd and the region, religion, and time of Ohrmazd were and are and ever will be; while Ahriman in darkness, with backward understanding and desire for destruction, was in the abyss, and it is he who will not be; and the place of that destruction, and also of that darkness, is what they call the 'endlessly dark.' 4. And between them was empty space, that is, what they call 'air,' in which is now their meeting.
5.
Both are limited and unlimited spirits, for the supreme is that which they call endless light, and the abyss that which is endlessly dark, so that between them is a void, and one is not connected with the other; and, again, both spirits are limited as to their own selves. 6. And, secondly, on account of the omniscience of Ohrmazd, both things are in the creation of Ohrmazd, the finite and the infinite; for this they know is that which is in the covenant of both spirits. 7. And, again, the complete sovereignty of the creatures of Ohrmazd is in the future existence, and that also is unlimited for ever and everlasting, and the creatures of Ahriman will perish at the time when the future existence occurs, and that also is eternity.
8.
Ohrmazd, through omniscience, knew that Ahriman exists, and whatever he schemes he infuses with malice and greediness till the end; and because He accomplishes the end by many means, He also produced spiritually the creatures which were necessary for those means, and they remained three thousand years in a spiritual state, so that they were unthinking and unmoving, with intangible bodies.
9.
The evil spirit, on account of backward knowledge, was not aware of the existence of Ohrmazd; and, afterwards, he arose from the abyss, and came in unto the light which he saw. 10. Desirous of destroying, and because of his malicious nature, he rushed in to destroy that light of Ohrmazd unassailed by fiends, and he saw its bravery and glory were greater than his own; so he fled back to the gloomy darkness, and formed many demons and fiends; and the creatures of the destroyer arose for violence.
11.
Ohrmazd, by whom the creatures of the evil spirit were seen, creatures terrible, corrupt, and bad, also considered them not commendable (burzishnik). 12. Afterwards, the evil spirit saw the creatures of Ohrmazd; there appeared many creatures of delight (vayah), inquiring creatures, and they seemed to him commendable, and he commended the creatures and creation of Ohrmazd.
13.
Then Ohrmazd, with a knowledge of which way the end of the matter would be, went to meet the evil spirit, and proposed peace to him, and spoke thus:'Evil spirit! bring assistance unto my creatures, and offer praise! so that, in reward for it, ye (you and your creatures) may become immortal and undecaying, hungerless and thirstless.'
Uxxos

Goodman, MO

#6 Jan 4, 2012
14.
And the evil spirit shouted thus:'I will not depart, I will not provide assistance for thy creatures, I will not offer praise among thy creatures, and I am not of the same opinion with thee as to good things. I will destroy thy creatures for ever and everlasting; moreover, I will force all thy creatures into disaffection to thee and affection for myself.' 15. And the explanation thereof is this, that the evil spirit reflected in this manner, that Ohrmazd was helpless as regarded him, therefore He proffers peace; and he did not agree, but bore on even into conflict with Him.
16.
And Ohrmazd spoke thus:'You are not omniscient and almighty, O evil spirit! so that it is not possible for thee to destroy me, and it is not possible for thee to force my creatures so that they will not return to my possession.'
17.
Then Ohrmazd, through omniscience, knew that: If I do not grant a period of contest, then it will be possible for him to act so that he may be able to cause the seduction of my creatures to himself. As even now there are many of the intermixture of mankind who practice wrong more than right. 18. And Ohrmazd spoke to the evil spirit thus:'Appoint a period! so that the intermingling of the conflict may be for nine thousand years. For he knew that by appointing this period the evil spirit would be undone.
19.
Then the evil spirit, unobservant and through ignorance, was content with that agreement; just like two men quarreling together, who propose a time thus: Let us appoint such-and-such a day for a fight.
20.
Ohrmazd also knew this, through omniscience, that within these nine thousand years, for three thousand years everything proceeds by the will of Ohrmazd, three thousand years there is an intermingling of the wills of Ohrmazd and Ahriman, and the last three thousand years the evil spirit is disabled, and they keep the adversary away from the creatures.
21.
Afterwards, Ohrmazd recited the Ahunwar thus: Yatha ahu vairyo ('as a heavenly lord is to be chosen'), &c. once, and uttered the twenty-one words; He also exhibited to the evil spirit His own triumph in the end, and the impotence of the evil spirit, the annihilation of the demons, and the resurrection and undisturbed future existence of the creatures for ever and everlasting. 22. And the evil spirit, who perceived his own impotence and the annihilation of the demons, became confounded, and fell back to the gloomy darkness; even so as is declared in revelation, that, when one of its (the Ahunwar's) three parts was uttered, the evil spirit contracted his body through fear, and when two parts of it were uttered he fell upon his knees, and when all of it was uttered he became confounded and impotent as to the harm he caused the creatures of Ohrmazd, and he remained three thousand years in confusion.
23.
Ohrmazd created his creatures in the confusion of Ahriman; first he produced Vohuman ('good thought'), by whom the progress of the creatures of Ohrmazd was advanced.
24.
The evil spirit first created Mitokht ('falsehood'), and then Akoman ('evil thought').
25.
The first of Ohrmazd's creatures of the world was the sky, and his good thought (Vohuman), by good procedure, produced the light of the world, along with which was the good religion of the Mazdayasnians; this was because the renovation (Frashegird) which happens to the creatures was known to him! 26. Afterwards arose Ardwahisht, and then Shahrewar, and then Spandarmad, and then Hordad, and then Amurdad.
27.
From the dark world of Ahriman were Akoman and Andar, and then Sovar, and then Nakahed, and then Tairev and Zairik.
28.
Of Ohrmazd's creatures of the world, the first was the sky; the second, water; the third, earth; the fourth, plants; the fifth, animals; the sixth, mankind.
Uxxos

Goodman, MO

#7 Jan 4, 2012
CHAPTER 2.
0.
On the formation of the luminaries.
1.
Ohrmazd produced illumination between the sky and the earth, the constellation stars and those also not of the constellations, then the moon, and afterwards the sun, as I shall relate.
2.
First he produced the celestial sphere, and the constellation stars are assigned to it by him; especially these twelve whose names are Varak (the Lamb), Tora (the Bull), Do-patkar (the Two-figures or Gemini), Kalachang (the Crab), Sher (the Lion), Khushak (Virgo), Tarazhuk (the Balance), Gazdum (the Scorpion), Nimasp (the Centaur or Sagittarius), Vahik (Capricorn), Dul (the Water-pot), and Mahik (the Fish); 3. which, from their original creation, were divided into the twenty-eight subdivisions of the astronomers, of which the names are Padevar, Pesh-Parviz, Parviz, Paha, Avesar, Beshn, Rakhvad, Taraha, Avra, Nahn, Miyan, Avdem, Mashaha, Spur, Husru, Srob, Nur, Gel, Garafsha Varant, Gau, Goi, Muru, Bunda, Kahtsar, Vaht, Miyan, Kaht. 4. And all his original creations, residing in the world, are committed to them; so that when the destroyer arrives they overcome the adversary and their own persecution, and the creatures are saved from those adversities.
5.
As a specimen of a warlike army, which is destined for battle, they have ordained every single constellation of those 6480 thousand small stars as assistance; and among those constellations four chieftains, appointed on the four sides, are leaders. 6. On the recommendation of those chieftains the many unnumbered stars are specially assigned to the various quarters and various places, as the united strength and appointed power of those constellations. 7. As it is said that Tishtar is the chieftain of the east, Sataves the chieftain of the west, Vanand the chieftain of the south, and Haptoring the chieftain of the north. 8. The great one which they call a Gah (period of the day), which they say is the great one of the middle of the sky, till just before the destroyer came was the midday (or south) one of the five, that is, the Rapithwin.
9.
Ohrmazd performed the spiritual Yazishn ceremony with the archangels (amahraspand) in the Rapithwin Gah, and in the Yazishn he supplied every means necessary for overcoming the adversary. 10. He deliberated with the consciousness (bod) and guardian spirits (farohar) of men, and the omniscient wisdom, brought forward among men, spoke thus:'Which seems to you the more advantageous, when I shall present you to the world? that you shall contend in a bodily form with the fiend (druj), and the fiend shall perish, and in the end I shall have you prepared again perfect and immortal, and in the end give you back to the world, and you will be wholly immortal, undecaying, and undisturbed; or that it be always necessary to provide you protection from the destroyer?'
11.
Thereupon, the guardian spirits of men became of the same opinion with the omniscient wisdom about going to the world, on account of the evil that comes upon them, in the world, from the fiend (druj) Ahriman, and their becoming, at last, again unpersecuted by the adversary, perfect, and immortal, in the future existence, for ever and everlasting.
Hello

South Ozone Park, NY

#8 Jan 5, 2012
Okay, and what does this have to do with Buddhism?
Hello Talk

Goodman, MO

#9 Jan 5, 2012
Hello wrote:
Okay, and what does this have to do with Buddhism?
I know Hello, but I thought that the subject about cosmology and the creation of the universe, with God, was an interesting subject, so I applied a new objective to the Buddhism issue and added the cosmology of Zoroastrianism.
Zoroaster believed in only one God like the Christians do named Ahura Mazda.
The "uncreated God".
The interesting thing about this creation story is that it reflects something similar to ancient Star Wars battle between the God of light, and the God of a black abyss. The God in the black abyss didn't realize Ahura Mazda (the God of light) and existed until he left his black hole and observed Ahura Mazda.
Both partake in creation, but the demon God only partakes to create destructive competition causing evil to humanity.
In the end Ahura Mazda is supposed to be victorious and bring justice to the righteous.
I like it.
Up in the stars there is a spiritual world made of light. Where the heavenly live. Out there also there is a physical universe made of light.
There is also a great darkness.
In Zoroastrianism God is made of light. So is the earth and everything he created is made of light.
What I know without Zoroastrianism is that there ^ is heaven up in the stars. Every thing there is made of spiritual light. They live in the spiritual light and they are made of the spiritual light, and the light that they are is the light of God himself. And each are made of the same light, and do exactly as the light itself is and will be the future of all things.
Than there is also physical light, the stars, planets, all all things are also made of physical light, and also lightly blend together with the spiritual light throughout the Universe with limited speed or perception..
But I know this without Zoroastrianism.
There is also a circle round about the spiritual light of darkness where the unaccepted of this world spiritually are, and in darkness they observe those in the light, who both live and rejoice.
But I know this without Zoroastrianism.
Hello Talk

Goodman, MO

#10 Jan 5, 2012
That was supposed to be without limited speed or perception near the last line.

Meaning that the physical time we observe, and the transitions of physical movement that we understand, up there has no resistentance and consumes time and space.
Hello

South Ozone Park, NY

#11 Jan 6, 2012
In Buddhism, evil is caused by the decaying nature of matter. Matter decays more slowly if we follow the Five precepts and meditate.

Evil people decay rapidly because their actions run contrary to the nature of matter--to the point where they themselves become empty--non-existent. They only seem powerful until the truly good challenge them-- then they become like paper tigers--no substance.

The good people in Buddhism, however, have the power of regeneration/resurrection and thus immortality.

“Bharatha Union 4 Peace”

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#12 Jan 6, 2012
Hello wrote:
In Buddhism, evil is caused by the decaying nature of matter. Matter decays more slowly if we follow the Five precepts and meditate.
Evil people decay rapidly because their actions run contrary to the nature of matter--to the point where they themselves become empty--non-existent. They only seem powerful until the truly good challenge them-- then they become like paper tigers--no substance.
The good people in Buddhism, however, have the power of regeneration/resurrection and thus immortality.
We are talking about 'Bad People' and 'Evil Monks' in Buddhism. Child Recruitment into Buddhist Monkhood are conducted by the Monks association of 'Bad People'. Who are the real benefitors; Pleasurely, the Monks(and the Foreign tourists); Financially the 'Bad People'.
Hello

South Ozone Park, NY

#13 Jan 6, 2012
RohanX wrote:
<quoted text>
We are talking about 'Bad People' and 'Evil Monks' in Buddhism. Child Recruitment into Buddhist Monkhood are conducted by the Monks association of 'Bad People'. Who are the real benefitors; Pleasurely, the Monks(and the Foreign tourists); Financially the 'Bad People'.
You're a bad person and an evil person. Fix yourself first.

“Bharatha Union 4 Peace”

Since: Sep 09

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#14 Jan 6, 2012
Child Recruitment into Monkhood is 'CRUEL'.
xxxxx

Goodman, MO

#15 Jan 7, 2012
Hello wrote:
<quoted text>
You're a bad person and an evil person. Fix yourself first.
seriously hello there is nothing wrong with rohanx. he is accessing correct information based upon actual articles over the computer. he is connecting the destructive influence of foreign occupation and religions dominance over indigenous people. there is nothing wrong with rohanx.
Hello

South Ozone Park, NY

#16 Jan 10, 2012
xxxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
seriously hello there is nothing wrong with rohanx. he is accessing correct information based upon actual articles over the computer. he is connecting the destructive influence of foreign occupation and religions dominance over indigenous people. there is nothing wrong with rohanx.
There is something wrong with you if you think constant whining about wrongs other people did is all right. Get a life.

“Bharatha Union 4 Peace”

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#17 Jan 10, 2012
Hello wrote:
<quoted text>
There is something wrong with you if you think constant whining about wrongs other people did is all right. Get a life.
Associating to Evil is no good.

Lord Buddha was/is a Good Person who gave us vast knowledge about life and guided us how to live.

But, the Evil Monks who created the Buddhism Religion, slave us for their own pleasures and molest our children on the name of Child Recruitment into Monkhood.

When we see Evil, we must stand up and fight with it. That is what Humans do. Supporting Evils for the sake of 'favourite' religion or race is pathetic and foolish.

“GOD is LOVE”

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#18 Jan 26, 2013
RohanX wrote:
Tibetian Buddhism is the only one from Lord Buddha's Teachings.
More Western people and the whole world people LOVE Tibetian Buddhism and Dalai Lama as their Most Rev Guru/Guide.
All the Good People look at other Evil Buddhist Monks from Shree Lanka, Bhutan Thailand etc as Sex Agents for the Sex Tourists.
You are worshiping the messenger and ignoring the message.

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