Why Buddhists Are Allowed Meat

Why Buddhists Are Allowed Meat

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#1 Jan 23, 2014
Why Buddhists Can and Do eat meat...

If your religion does not allow meat and wine it can't be true!

Many vegetarians keep harassing Buddhists about them eating meat while claiming to keep the precepts, the first one being the intentional destruction of the life force. They think they are oh so compassionate - the Jains and Hindus think they are just the most wise simply because they are vegetarian.

They are foolish and don't know the power of Buddha and that Buddha is ThE Dharma King - and can adjust laws as he sees fit -- for those who love him and are his disciples of course....Buddha wants you to get out of karmic debt, so solemnly meditate and observe precepts and give...and once you do this daily and develop good habits and self control and are no longer destined for hell --- enjoy yourself!!! He said the true religious life is self sacrifice and as long as you perform your sacrifice properly as Buddha taught, you are good!

We live by the 8 Fold path, work honestly and hard, support our family, parents and community --we sacrifice so we can enjoy without guilt. Buddha wants us to enjoy the good life, to make our dreams come true-- but again, in order to do that we have to get out of Karmic debt:

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Mahanibbana Sutta
Kusavati, Ananda, resounded unceasingly day and night with ten sounds—the trumpeting of elephants, the neighing of horses, the rattling of chariots, the beating of drums and tabours, music and song, cheers, the clapping of hands, and cries of

"Eat, drink, and be merry!"

You can't have a party without meat, fish and some alcohol!
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Mahosatha Jataka

Have no fear. Procure garlands, scents, and perfumes, food and drink, and keep seven days' holiday. Let the people stay where they will, drink deep, sing and dance and make merry, shout and cheer and snap their fingers:

****all be at my cost. I am the wise Mahosadha: behold my power!" ****

...and holding out bowls of toddy and skewers with meat or fish, which they ate and drank themselves, and promenaded the walls.

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Let's get one thing straight, householder Buddhists who have faith in Buddha and observe the Uposatha days and precepts and have taken refuge in Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha are allowed to eat meat since we are under the law of the Dharma Raja, literally "King Of All Holy Laws".

Buddha becomes our King and we are under refuge as long as we observe HIS teachings. Buddha allowed us nonhuman meat to eat.
Meat/poultry/seafood is an important way to get protein and helps maintain your health. Many times it is also medicinal. Buddha emphasized that food is not for enjoyment but maintain your health for enlightenment.

In The Dhammapada, even a Butcher in hell gains the holy life and heavenly world thanks to his children's faith in Buddha.Dhammapada Verses 235, 236, 237 and 238
Goghatakaputta Vatthu

Buddhists in fact are life giving thanks to their precepts.

Buddha does say to be watchful, be compassionate, treat the animals well and we Buddhists should fight for all animals being treated with compassion.

When to stop eating meat:
1) you are becoming cruel and mean 2) you smell --you are not digesting it properly and you should reduce meat intake.

Of course, nonBuddhists should not eat meat since they are not under The Lord's refuge and have limited merit.

Meanwhile, observant Buddhists who meditate daily and observe The Uposathas fill their hearts with love practicing metta and can go enjoy their Filet mignons with a glass of Cabernet Sauvignon! Buddhists can take that cow to heaven with then for the sacrifice of their life! Cheers!
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#2 Jan 23, 2014
Here is a wonderful analysis of "right view" of butchers in terms of analytics, remember although a SKILLFUL butcher kills an animal, Buddha always uses the word skillful and does not pass judgement on the profession:

1) negative karma of killing minimized since a truly skilled butcher kills quickly with the least amount of suffering to the animal - not true of an unskilled butcher or priest who just mass kills animals.

Today, animals are stunned than slaughtered when unconscious and other animals don't see the slaughter in a well maintained slaughter house.

2) his good karma is that he is preparing nourishing food for humans.

3) since the animal will be used for food, perhaps the animal gets merit.

So butchering is a mixed Kamma livelihood.

'analysis (or determining) of the 4 elements', is described in Vis.M. XI, 2, as the last of the 40 mental exercises (s. bhāvanā).
In a condensed form this exercise is handed down in D.22 and M.10 (s. satipatthāna), but in detail explained in M.28, 62, 140.
The simile of the butcher in M.10 ("Just, o monks, as a skilled butcher or butcher's apprentice, after having slaughtered a cow and divided it into separate portions, should sit down at the junction of four highroads; just so does the disciple contemplate this body with regard to the elements") is thus explained in Vis.M. XI.: "To the butcher, who rears the cow, brings it to the slaughter-house, ties it, puts it there, slaughters it, or looks at the slaughtered and dead cow, the idea 'cow' does not disappear as long as he has not yet cut the body open and taken it to pieces. As soon, however, as he sits down, after having cut it open and taken it to pieces, the idea 'cow' disappears to him, and the idea 'meat' arises. And he does not think:'A cow do I sell, or 'A cow do they buy.' Just so, when the monk formerly was still an ignorant worldling, layman or a homeless one, the ideas 'living being' or 'man' or 'individual' had not yet disappeared as long as he had not taken this body, whatever position or direction it had, to pieces and analysed it piece by piece. As soon, however, as he analysed this body into its elements, the idea 'living being' disappeared to him, and his mind became established in the contemplation of the elements." -(App.).
Added: 06.Jun.2010 | Source: Pali Kanon: Manual of Buddhist Terms and Doctrines Rating:-
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#3 Jan 25, 2014
Lord Buddha also allowed all meat to show the supremacy of his Enlightenment.

While nonBuddhists such as Hindus, Jews, Muslims (also Christian sects who follow Jewish laws), Jains, etc. had notions of clean and unclean, halal, kosher or sacrificial food sacrificed in the name of some god, goddess---Buddhism was powerful enough to allow lay followers to eat any meat prepared in any way including beef and pork and you could still make it to heaven by mere affection for Lord Buddha!

The gates of the highest heavens and passage to Nirvana are open to meat eating disciples of Buddha!
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#4 Jan 25, 2014
Lord Buddha clearly differentiates between killing of animals and humans.

Killing of a human is defeat and gets you disrobed, killing of animals requires mere confession.

So the first precept is broken only if you kill another human.

KILLING
The previous offence was one of Defeat for murder whereas this rule is one of Confession (paacittiya) for killing animals. It originally arose because Venerable Udaayin, a frequent delinquent, detested crows so much that he shot them with arrows and then displayed their cut-off heads.

"Deliberately killing an animal — or having it killed — is [an offence of Confession]."(Summary Paac. 61; BMC p.423)
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#5 Jan 26, 2014
Hello wrote:
Lord Buddha clearly differentiates between killing of animals and humans.
Killing of a human is defeat and gets you disrobed, killing of animals requires mere confession.
So the first precept is broken only if you kill another human.
KILLING
The previous offence was one of Defeat for murder whereas this rule is one of Confession (paacittiya) for killing animals. It originally arose because Venerable Udaayin, a frequent delinquent, detested crows so much that he shot them with arrows and then displayed their cut-off heads.
"Deliberately killing an animal — or having it killed — is [an offence of Confession]."(Summary Paac. 61; BMC p.423)
So my dear Buddhists, Lord Buddha said we have so much freedom - including killing animals for food --

this is an internal sacrifice we Buddhists have the right and privilege to perform -- we accept no external sacrifice which is why Buddha ended the external sacrifice of animals by the false priests.

Do NOT surrender any rights or privileges you are given.

Those who don't use their rights surely will lose it.
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#6 Jan 27, 2014
Eating meat is an important test of Buddhist mindfulness.

The great sin in Buddhism are greed, ignorance, aversion.

Dietary rules impinge on your right to know yourself, your body and reactions.

Greed for good food is destroyed by sharing.

Aversion to meat and other diets which exist throughout this world, many of which are very strange for a lot of us, is destroyed through the simple act of eating and sharing with others.

Buddha said to eat MINDFULLY, study your reactions and don't make judgements!

Eating is merely the breaking down of matter into component elements -- we ourselves are elemental components.

Dietary laws were not imposed on Buddhists because they were taught to eat mindfully with full awareness. So eat with wisdom.
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#7 Jan 28, 2014
Buddha gave us the right to eat meat and fish BUT NOT THE RIGHT TO BE CRUEL.. In other words, find ways and means to minimize suffering.

Organic meat and fish seems to be the best way where affordable - animals are raised well, free, without hormones and other chemicals..unfortunately not all Buddhists can afford to buy such meat.

We along with the vegetarians can pressure the meat industry to find better ways of getting meat.

Recently they were able to grow meat without animals using genetic science - how many would be comfortable eating such meat remains to be seen.

http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry...
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#8 Jan 29, 2014
Here is another link which should be read:

http://obo.genaud.net/dhammatalk/bd_dhammatal...
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#9 Jan 29, 2014
What does the 1st Precept mean?

I OBSERVE the precept to restrain from destruction/suppression of the life force.

We are to carefully observe where and how there is destruction/suppression of the life force.

Remember Buddha's parable -- when a distraught woman comes to Lord Buddha to restore the life of her child, Buddha tells her to bring a mustard seed from a house where nobody died!

She was unable to find such a house. In this world Death is all around us.

So if she went to a vegetarian's house did that make a difference? If vegetarians were not killing, certainly they would not die.

The first precept has a powerful meaning, I don't blame Buddhists for taking the safe route and just not eating meat.

Death himself is like the butcher and we the fattened humans awaiting our slaughter. This world is the slaughterhouse, taking refuge in Lord Buddha and observing the precepts and seeing what intention is, becoming wise with knowledge is our only ticket to peace!

What is intention? The most important question of all.
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#11 Feb 1, 2014
Here is a wonderful segment about mamsa - meat and self sacrifice of a devout lay woman from her own flesh to give medicine to a Bhikku when meat fit for a Bhikku was (not killed for him in particular) available:

2. At that time a certain Bhikkhu had taken a purgative. And that Bhikkhu said to Suppiyéi, the lay-devotee:‘I have taken a purgative, sister, and I want some broth 1.’
(She replied):‘Well, reverend Sir, it shall be procured for you,’—and went to her house and gave order to a pupil1:‘Go, my good Sir, and see if there is any meat to be had1.’
That man accepted this order of Suppiya, the lay-devotee (by saying),‘Yes, Madam,’ and searched through the whole of Benares, but did not find any meat on hand1. Then that man went to Suppiya, the lay-devotee; having approached her he said to Suppiya, the lay-devotee:‘There is no meat to be had, Madam; the killing of cattle is interdicted to-day.’
3. Then'Suppiya, the lay-devotee, thought:‘If that sick Bhikkhu does not get the broth his sickness will increase, or he will die. It would be unbecoming indeed for me to promise something, and not to procure it;’—(thinking thus) she took a knife, cut a piece of flesh from her thigh, and gave it to her maid-servant (saying),‘Go, my girl, and get the strength out of this meat. In such and such a Vihara is a sick Bhikkhu; give it to that (Bhikkhu). And should anybody call for me, tell him that I am sick ;’-(speaking thus), she veiled her thigh with her upper garment, went into her inner room, and lay down on her bed.
1 Pali/I/Uzzidaniya. See Abhidhanappadipika, verse 468, and above, chap. I4. 7, at the end.
1 Of her husband’s?
1 Pavattamamsa, which Buddhaghosa explains,‘matassa mamsam.’ Pavatta means ‘ already existing,’ opposed to what is brought into existence for a special purpose, and pavattamamsa is said here, therefore, in order to exclude uddissa-kata-mamsa (meat of animals killed especially for them), which Bhikkhus were not allowed to partake of (see chap. 31. 14). Compare also pavatta
phala-bhogana at Gritaka I, p. 6.
4. And Suppiya, the lay-devotee, came to his house and asked the maid-servant:‘Where is Suppiya ?’
‘ She lies in the inner room, Sir.’ Then Suppiya, the lay-devotee, went to the place where Suppiyéi, the lay-devotee, was; having approached her he said to Suppiya, the lay-devotee:‘Why are you lying down ?’
‘ I am sick.’
‘ What is the matter with you ?’
Then Suppiya, the lay-devotee, told the whole matter to Suppiya, the lay-devotee. And Suppiya, the lay-devotee, said:‘Oh wonderful! oh astonishing! How believing and how pious is this Suppiya who gives even her own flesh (to the indigent). What else can there be which she would not give ?’(Speaking thus), joyful and elated he went to the place where the Blessed One was; having approached him, and respectfully saluted the Blessed One, he sat down near him.
5. Sitting near him, Suppiya, the lay-devotee, said to the Blessed One:‘Might the Blessed One, Lord, consent to take his meal with me to-morrow, together with the fraternity of Bhikkhus.’
The Blessed One expressed his consent by remaining silent. Then Suppiya, the lay-devotee, when he understood that the Blessed One had accepted his invitation, rose from his seat, respectfully saluted the Blessed One, and passing round him with his right side towards him, went away.
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#12 Feb 1, 2014
And when the night had elapsed, Suppiya, the lay-devotee, ordered excellent food, both hard and soft, to be prepared, and had the meal-time announced to the Blessed One in the words:‘ It is time, Lord, the meal is ready.’ And in the forenoon the Blessed One, having put on his under-robes, took his alms-bowl, and, with his /Eivara on, went to the house of Suppiya, the lay-devotee. When he had arrived there, he sat down with the Bhikkhus who followed him, on seats laid out for them.
6. And Suppiya, the lay-devotee, went to the place where the Blessed One was; having approached him and respectfully saluted the Blessed One, he stationed himself near him. When he was standing near him, the Blessed One said to Suppiya, the lay-devotee:‘Where is Suppiyzi?'
‘ She is sick, Lord.’
‘ Well, let her come here.'.
‘She is not able to do so, Lord.’
‘Well then you must take her and carry her (to me).’
Then Suppiya, the lay-devotee, took Suppiya, the lay-devotee, and carried her (to the Buddha). And in the moment the Blessed One saw her, that great wound was healed; and there was good skin there, with the tiny hairs thereon.
7. And Suppiya, the lay-devotee, and Suppiya, the lay-devotee (thought):‘Oh wonderful! oh astonishing! What high power and great faculties the Tathzigata possesses, in that in the moment the Blessed One has seen (Suppiya), that great wound has been healed; and there is good skin there,
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#13 Feb 3, 2014
Please note***

Buddhism does not allow any sacrificial meat or meat sacrificed ritually for any deity or demon.

Buddhism is against - those who slaughter animals in such a way will be punished severely!

(Please read the Jataka " The Goat Who Laughed and Cried" - the one who performs such a sacrifice will have his/her own head cut off for atleast 10 births!!!)

This means:
1) halal food which is an offering to Allah,
2) Passover meat and other meat offerings,
3) Hindu sacrifice to the gods/goddess

are against Buddha's findings of the true law. They spread ignorance in humans instead of making you understand the mind, intentions or karma.

Buddha and Brahma clearly state no true God eats food, they are pure light.

Buddha wants you to have perfect awareness of what's happening during animal slaughter - perfect mindfulness directed at the body. To know it's affects to understand suffering and pain fully! Buddha wants you to face it fully. Can this be done with a heart of compassion? Or must you kill your own compassion to kill?

Buddhism does advise against going into this as a business, since this involves mass slaughter of animals on a daily basis.

Sharing all food with the poor and Sangha and others is the only sacrifice a Buddhist may perform.
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#14 Feb 4, 2014
So what is the conclusion?

Take Refuge in Buddha, practice daily. As long as we stand in truth and not dogma, we are walking The Dhamma Path- Wisdom is our aim.

What is wisdom? No utopia, no false pretenses, no "if we all became vegetarians, there will be no meat"

Buddha wants us to see things as they really are, all the cycles including life and death and of supply and demand - we have to face death head on fully aware, mindful with wisdom.
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#15 Feb 4, 2014
Emphasis on Vegetarianism instead of eating with wisdom has put foolish Buddhists at the mercy of Muslims who have become the sole butchers and meat suppliers in countries such as India and Burma.

Not understanding why Buddha allowed Buddhists meat, foolish Buddhists who thought they are more compassionate and wiser than Buddha banned meat eating.

Who will control the food industry in your country?
Make sure it's Buddhists in Buddhist majority countries.
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#16 Feb 6, 2014
So do Buddhists love life, hate death?
Do they love pleasure, hate pain?

This is the cause of the wrong view and being finicky about food and fearing killing animals for food.

In The Putamamsa Sutta, Buddha asks:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn...

...and a man were to come along — loving life, hating death, loving pleasure, abhorring pain —

So how are we to eat? With even mindedness, with awareness. We train for even mindedness!

Don't hate death, dont hate pain, don't fear it, investigate it, learn about it fully.

Remember, Buddha said be fearless!
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#17 Feb 6, 2014
The Putamamsa Sutta, or the "son's meat" directly connects to The Metta Sutta! In our reflection of Metta, we must love all beings as if they were "our only son".

It is with this reflection that we eat ANY gross food. Vegetarians - this includes YOU.

Included in offenses requiring confession for monks and nuns who have more stringent rules than lay people in The Vinaya:

1)intentional killing of animals (paano)
2)intentional killing of insects and micro organisms
3)intentional killing of plants and trees

All 3 of the above requires confession, whereas killing of a human - expulsion!!!

Vegetarians are literally in the same boat as nonVegetarians.

Farming for food also results in great destruction of beings, including trees and plants.

So vegetarians too must reflect on all the killing they do just to have their bodies survive.

So here isn't farming equivalent to the livelihood of a butcher? So why did ignorant Buddhists attack the butchers?

Buddha did this to put us all in the same boat! see the wisdom of the Buddha! The vegetarians, Jain ascetics, were constantly harrassing Buddhists-- so he made killing of animals in the same boat as killing plants -- TAKE THAT VEGANS AND VEGETARIANS!
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#18 Feb 7, 2014
Here is a wonderful article on how lovingly the Japanese raise beef, the cows are so loved that they happily go to the slaughterhouse and give the best quality meat:

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/18/dining/in-j...

Raise animals with great love and kindness...
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#19 Feb 8, 2014
From the above link - the best beef in the world, treat your animals with respect and love:

Each fall, he and his wife travel to Tajima and select five or six heifers that are about 8 months old to raise, or rather, spoil rotten in Matsuzaka. For the next few years, they are treated to ''massages,'' rubdowns with a stiff brush, every other day or so, a practice said to enhance the even distribution of fat throughout their bodies.

Matsuzaka cows become so accustomed to human attention and affection -- Mr. Kubo's cows stick their heads through the slats of their stalls and all but ask to be petted -- that they are led quite easily to the slaughterhouse, a trip that other, less coddled cattle vigorously resist.
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#20 Feb 11, 2014
Farming itself leads to the death of millions of beings, here is Mahakashyapa after he realized how much killing is involved in farming became a recluse:

One day, however, when Pipphali Kassapa was inspecting the fields, it happened that he saw, as if with new eyes, what he had seen so often before. He observed that when his people plowed, many birds gathered and eagerly picked the worms from the furrows. This sight, so common to a farmer, now startled him. It now struck him forcefully that what brought him his wealth, the produce of his fields, was bound up with the suffering of other living beings. His livelihood was purchased with the death of so many worms and other little creatures living in the soil. Thinking about this, he asked one of his laborers: "Who will have to bear the consequences of such an action?" — "You yourself, sir," was the answer.[4]

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So, killing of creatures is part of our daily human activity. Buddha taught us to be mindful of all the killing so that you could eat.

That ultimately be kind to all creatures, don't over eat, don't throw away food! Share with everyone and never let love and compassion leave the heart. Don't waste anything and be grateful!
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#21 Feb 11, 2014
Research shows nonVegetarians have higher storage of iron than vegetarians. Women in particular require meat and fish dice they have to replenish blood lost during their monthly cycles.

From Bloodbook.com

Are Iron-rich Foods Good for Iron Deficiency Anemia in Women?
Iron Deficiency Anemia in women, is helped by a diet with iron rich foods along with iron supplements and is often recommended by doctors. Absorption of iron from food is influenced by many factors such as the form of the iron consumed. Heme Iron, which is derived from animal sources, is highly available for absorption in to the human body. Non-heme iron, which is found in vegetable sources, is less available for human nutritional needs. Iron rich foods of an iron rich diet are listed HERE. The absorption of Non-heme iron can be improved when a source of heme iron is consumed in the same meal. Iron absorption enhancing foods can also increase the absorption of non-heme iron. While several food items can enhance iron absorption, some can inhibit or even interfere iron absorption. Avoid eating them with those iron-rich foods to maximize iron absorption.

A typical criticism of high soy vegetarian diets is based on concerns about anemia, a condition known to most doctors. The research on this condition is not particularly strong, but this potential iron deficiency-causing condition may be cause for concern. Dietary iron and serum ferritin levels (in healthy people, most iron is stored as ferritin, an estimated 70% in men and 80% in women) and smaller amounts, stored as hemosiderin, were measured in a group of Chinese vegetarian and non-vegetarian students. A major characteristic of the vegetarian diet was the replacement of meat by soybean products. Dietary iron was similar in both groups of men, but was significantly higher in female vegetarians than in non-vegetarians. However, the median plasma ferritin concentration was about 50% lower in the vegetarians of both sexes than in the non-vegetarians. Although the men did not show evidence of iron depletion, the prevalence of anemia and iron deficiency were 30% and 50%, respectively, in these female vegetarians. These values were more than twice as high as those for the non-vegetarian women. We believe that, consumed to excess, soy has many potential anti-nutrient effects. A good resource article on this subject is: "Implications of Anti-nutritional Components in Soybean Foods", by Irvin E. Liener.

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