If Buddhism is so wonderful.....

If Buddhism is so wonderful.....

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jaja

Toronto, Canada

#1 Dec 22, 2012
If Buddhism is so wonderful, why are the Thais in Northern Thailand converting to Islam ?

There is no coercion in Northern-Thailand.

Have you been to Pai and other places there ?
Hello

New York, NY

#2 Dec 22, 2012
Because they do not practice. Non practicing Buddhists will go to hell with the Muslims.

Satan can find a path through theist insistence on a god whom they can't define.

Through the multitude definitions, Satan attacks and kills you.

The Four Noble Truths cannot be penetrated by Satan/Mara. no lies, no contradiction. It is an invincible armor of Truth.

Learn the Four Noble Truths.
Sarah

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#3 Jan 16, 2013
Hello wrote:
Because they do not practice. Non practicing Buddhists will go to hell with the Muslims.
Satan can find a path through theist insistence on a god whom they can't define.
Through the multitude definitions, Satan attacks and kills you.
The Four Noble Truths cannot be penetrated by Satan/Mara. no lies, no contradiction. It is an invincible armor of Truth.
Learn the Four Noble Truths.
Haha! Well, although that is technically true, but you cannot say so bluntly that they will go to hell... It is karma that will come back, and unfortunately, karma sees everything and no one is above it.
Hello

New York, NY

#4 Jan 16, 2013
Sarah wrote:
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Haha! Well, although that is technically true, but you cannot say so bluntly that they will go to hell... It is karma that will come back, and unfortunately, karma sees everything and no one is above it.
Staying in the karmic cycle is hell.

Being glorious and then losing it. Painful.

Being poor than gaining wealth, great-- than boring.

Loving people and losing them- sucks.

Peace of Nibbana-- true heaven!

“bungai terong”

Since: Mar 08

lantang senang belama

#5 Jan 16, 2013
jaja wrote:
If Buddhism is so wonderful, why are the Thais in Northern Thailand converting to Islam ?
There is no coercion in Northern-Thailand.
Have you been to Pai and other places there ?
There are also cases of Thais with Muslim parentage converting to Buddhism. Look at Phuket, there are Buddhists with Muslim ancestors, hence when they have 'sai preet' ceremony, no pork would be offered to the ancestral spirit out of respect to their Muslim ancestor.

Conversion from one religion to another, or practising a mixture of religious tradition are two phenomenas happening across the globe.

What are you implying here? people leaving Buddhism in Thailand? Who left which religion is not for us to comment on. It is a right which should be respected.
lelo mu me

United States

#6 Jan 17, 2013
hello gandwe jab tujhe ganta nai pta hai to kyun badbad karte rehta hai,du kya mu me?
lelo mu me

United States

#7 Jan 17, 2013
before i used to be a true buddhist like hello but l leaved this satanic religion as soon as i got enlightned.! Many questions arosed in my mind..like Buddhists claim not to worship Buddha, but
millions and millions of Buddhists make
statues of Buddha, and bow before the
statue, praying to him for blessing, fortune
etc. buddhists in many countries also
generally offer food, and joss sticks and
incense to Buddha, as an appeasement
offering.
Prince Gautama said that his own teachings
might be wrong. Prince Gautama told his
believers that A Greater One will come after
himself. Prince Gautama told people that he
is NOT the way.
So when he is not the way so why the hell m i going to that way..so i leave it..and hello i request u too to leave this religion..i dont want u to be the part of hell..love u hello
lelo mu me

United States

#8 Jan 17, 2013
jaja wrote:
If Buddhism is so wonderful, why are the Thais in Northern Thailand converting to Islam ?
There is no coercion in Northern-Thailand.
Have you been to Pai and other places there ?
because buddhist women are not hot,they are oily,hairy..and bald like my foot..sorry foot ball..so to save our life from them we are converting to christianity and islam
DDR

Glen Allen, VA

#9 Jan 17, 2013
lelo mu me wrote:
Prince Gautama said that his own teachings
might be wrong. Prince Gautama told his
believers that A Greater One will come after
himself. Prince Gautama told people that he
is NOT the way.
So when he is not the way so why the hell m i going to that way..so i leave it..and hello i request u too to leave this religion..i dont want u to be the part of hell..love u hello
Not sure you hear that Buddha says he is not the way or that his teaching might be wrong ? This is what he said regarding the path he taught:

" In whatsoever Dhamma and Discipline, Subhadda, there exists not the Noble Eightfold Path, neither is there to be found a true samana of the first ( Stream Entry), second ( Once Returner), third ( Non-Returner), or fourth ( Arahant) degree . But in whatsoever Dhamma and Discipline there is found the Noble Eightfold Path, there is found a true samana of the first, second, third, and fourth degree of saintliness. In this Dhamma and Discipline, Subhadda, there exists the Noble Eightfold Path; and in it alone are also found true samanas of the first, second, third, and fourth degrees of saintliness (enlightenment). The systems of other schools are empty of true samanas . If the bhikkhus live (practice) rightly, the world will not be empty of arahants. "
DDR

Glen Allen, VA

#10 Jan 17, 2013
lelo mu me wrote:
<quoted text>because buddhist women are not hot,they are oily,hairy..and bald like my foot..sorry foot ball..so to save our life from them we are converting to christianity and islam
Are you aware that only monastics women who have renounce the worldly life shave their heads. There are ugly and beautiful women in every religion. What kind of logic is this.
DDR

Glen Allen, VA

#11 Jan 17, 2013
lelo mu me wrote:
Many questions arosed in my mind..like Buddhists claim not to worship Buddha, but
millions and millions of Buddhists make
statues of Buddha, and bow before the
statue, praying to him for blessing, fortune
etc. buddhists in many countries also
generally offer food, and joss sticks and
incense to Buddha, as an appeasement
offering.
That is a common and simple question. While the Buddha was walking among his disciples , during the first twenty years of teaching Buddhists disciples do not make statues of Buddha. So why did the Buddhist lay and monastic disciples begin to established a sacred shrine?

" When he had set forth on pilgrimage , the people in Savathi came to Jetavana with full of fragrant wreaths in their hands. But not finding anyone or any place to offer the fragrant wreaths to, they just laid them in front of the fragrant kuti . When the Buddha returned from his journey, Anathapindika proposed to the Elder Ananda:" Venerable Sir, this monastery is left unprovided while the Tathagatha goes on pilgrimage, and there is no place for people to show respect by offer fragrant wreaths or garlands. Will you be so kind, Sir, as to tell the Tathagata of this matter, and learn from him whether or not it is possible to find a place for this purpose."

Ananda went to the Buddha and asked him how many types of shrines are there?

The Buddha told him:
"Three, Ananda. Which are they? Shrines for a relic of the body, a relic of use or wear ( ie..an object used by the Buddha), a relic of memorial....But the great Bodhi- tree used by the Buddhas is fit for a shrine, whether they are dead or alive."

Ananda then told the Buddha about people needing a place to put their offerings as a gesture of respect and appreciation , and asked for permission to plant a Bodhi tree at the gate of Jetavana.

The Buddha gave his consent:
" By all means do so Ananda, and that shall be as it were an abiding place for me."

Ananda then asked Moggallana to get a seed from the great Bodhi-tree. Moggallana immediately passed through the air to the location of the tree in Magadha, and caught a seed before it reached the ground. On the day that everyone gathered to plant the seed, it sprang up into a full grown tree.

The Elder Ananda said to the Buddha:
"For the good of the people, may the Blessed One accomplish under the bodhi-tree which I have planted that height of Attainment to which you attained under the great bodhi-tree ."

" What is this you say, Ananda?,replied the Buddha. " There is no other place that can support me, if I sit there and attain to that which I attained in the enclosure of the great bodhi-tree."

"Blessed One, for the goods of the people please use this tree for the rapture of Attainment, in so far as this spot of ground can support the weight."

The Buddha used the tree for one night and entered into deep states of meditation .

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The stupas were used as Shrines of relics of the body after the Buddha's Painibbana :

"Three, Ananda. Which are they? Shrines for a relic of the body, a relic of use or wear ( ie..an object used by the Buddha), a relic of memorial....But the great Bodhi- tree used by the Buddhas is fit for a shrine, whether they are dead or alive." "

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Much later, the Greeks made statues in the image of Buddha. That's when people started to make " stupas" or shrines of relics in the shape of Buddha's image or statues. Before the shape of the shrines of relics or stupas have a round dome shape only. Personally , I prefer the shrines of relics of Buddha in the shape of Buddha .
DDR

Glen Allen, VA

#12 Jan 17, 2013
More on stupas or shrines of relics:

Venerable Ananda said to the Buddha :

"Formerly, Lord, on leaving their quarters after the rains, the bhikkhus would set forth to see the Tathagata, and to us there was the gain and benefit of receiving and associating with those very revered bhikkhus who came to have audience with the Blessed One and to wait upon him. But, Lord, after the Blessed One has gone, we shall no longer have that gain and benefit."

The Buddha replied:

"There are four places, Ananda, that a pious person should visit and look upon with feelings
"'Here the Tathagata was born!'This, Ananda, is a place that a pious person should visit and look upon with feelings of reverence.

"'Here the Tathagata became fully enlightened in unsurpassed, supreme Enlightenment!'This, Ananda, is a place that a pious person should visit and look upon with feelings of reverence.

"'Here the Tathagata set rolling the unexcelled Wheel of the Dhamma!'This, Ananda, is a place that a pious person should visit and look upon with feelings of reverence.

"'Here the Tathagata passed away into the state of Nibbana in which no element of clinging remains!' This, Ananda, is a place that a pious person should visit and look upon with feelings of reverence.

"These, Ananda, are the four places that a pious person should visit and look upon with feelings of reverence. And truly there will come to these places, Ananda, pious bhikkhus and bhikkhunis, laymen and laywomen, reflecting:'Here the Tathagata was born! Here the Tathagata became fully enlightened in unsurpassed, supreme Enlightenment! Here the Tathagata set rolling the unexcelled Wheel of the Dhamma! Here the Tathagata passed away into the state of Nibbana in which no element of clinging remains!'
"And whoever, Ananda, should die on such a pilgrimage with his heart established in faith, at the breaking up of the body, after death, will be reborn in a realm of heavenly happiness." - Maha-parinibbana Sutta
DDR

Glen Allen, VA

#13 Jan 17, 2013
Buddha is not imaginary because he once walked among us !
Buddha is not an idol , but his statues are in his image.

While the Buddha was on earth, people often bring flowers or scents when coming to see him. Personally , I do offer scented oil or candles as a gesture of respect . The Buddha's statue serve as an outlet to connect and receive guidance on the path of practice . And yes, Buddha blesses with his blessings ! But not because I offer candles , however offering candles is a gesture if reverence from me!

That is not to say the the Buddha's shrine is the only way to connect and receive guidance on the path.
DDR

Glen Allen, VA

#14 Jan 17, 2013
Are you saying that Buddhism is satanic because Buddha's disciples established a " shrine of relics" or statue , and placed candles or scents as a gesture of reverence ?
DDR

Glen Allen, VA

#15 Jan 17, 2013
By the way, offering flowers or candle is not the only way in which people can pay respect to the Buddha :

The Blessed One laid down on his right side, resting mindfully with one foot on the other. At that time the twin sale trees broke out in full bloom when it was not the season of flowering. The devas showed respect to the Blessed One with divine music and flowers. He said to Venerable Ananda:

"Ananda, the twin sala trees are in full bloom, though it is not the season of flowering. And the blossoms rain upon the body of the Tathagata and drop and scatter and are strewn upon it in worship of the Tathagata. And celestial coral flowers and heavenly sandalwood powder from the sky rain down upon the body of the Tathagata, and drop and scatter and are strewn upon it in worship of the Tathagata. And the sound of heavenly voices and heavenly instruments makes music in the air out of reverence for the Tathagata.

"Yet it is not thus, Ananda, that the Tathagata is respected, venerated, esteemed, worshipped, and honored in the highest degree. But, Ananda, whatever bhikkhu or bhikkhuni, layman or laywoman, abides by the Dhamma, lives uprightly in the Dhamma, walks in the way of the Dhamma, it is by such a one that the Tathagata is respected, venerated, esteemed, worshipped, and honored in the highest degree. Therefore, Ananda, thus should you train yourselves:'We shall abide by the Dhamma, live uprightly in the Dhamma, walk in the way of the Dhamma.'"
DDR

Glen Allen, VA

#16 Jan 17, 2013
Come to think about it, when I was in school, I don't understand the reason and logic behind it when seeing my mom offer candles at an altar. I thought to myself , I don't know if I will do this later once I get married or at my own house. Fortunately, I was able to learn to teachings and reasons behind the practice . Now I also practice it on my own with enthusiasm.

Often , many just assume that people already know the Buddha's teaching without needing to explain or tell about the dhamma. But even very basic things that you do on a daily basis, people should at least explain the whys and how's at least once. Otherwise, the form is there but the essence is lost to others.
Hello

New York, NY

#17 Jan 17, 2013
lelo mu me wrote:
before i used to be a true buddhist like hello but l leaved this satanic religion as soon as i got enlightned.! Many questions arosed in my mind..like Buddhists claim not to worship Buddha, but
millions and millions of Buddhists make
statues of Buddha, and bow before the
statue, praying to him for blessing, fortune
etc. buddhists in many countries also
generally offer food, and joss sticks and
incense to Buddha, as an appeasement
offering.
Prince Gautama said that his own teachings
might be wrong. Prince Gautama told his
believers that A Greater One will come after
himself. Prince Gautama told people that he
is NOT the way.
So when he is not the way so why the hell m i going to that way..so i leave it..and hello i request u too to leave this religion..i dont want u to be the part of hell..love u hello
Which religion are you? Don't come here and lie and say you were a Buddhist like me.

I will never leave the Dharma for the cults of Jesus, Mohammad.. Or any other religion.

Obviously you are NOT like me since unlike you I have not wasted my human birth and have faith in The Dharma.

Since you failed to understand the teachings and like lying about Buddha, you are a troll and will die like one.
Vinamese

Las Vegas, NV

#18 Jan 17, 2013
lelo mu me wrote:
before i used to be a true buddhist like hello but l leaved this satanic religion as soon as i got enlightned.! Many questions arosed in my mind..like Buddhists claim not to worship Buddha, but
millions and millions of Buddhists make
statues of Buddha, and bow before the
statue, praying to him for blessing, fortune
etc. buddhists in many countries also
generally offer food, and joss sticks and
incense to Buddha, as an appeasement
offering.
Prince Gautama said that his own teachings
might be wrong. Prince Gautama told his
believers that A Greater One will come after
himself. Prince Gautama told people that he
is NOT the way.
So when he is not the way so why the hell m i going to that way..so i leave it..and hello i request u too to leave this religion..i dont want u to be the part of hell..love u hello
You are a liar, you were never a true Buddhist. A true Buddhist would never let go of something so important such as Buddhism. You are a fool and a liar.
Also Buddhist, such as yourself claimed to be once, should know that Buddhist don't pray to Buddha, we show respect to Buddha, the statues are only there to remind Buddhist what Buddha look like when He was on earth, to remind us to follow Buddha's footstep.
Once again, you are a fool and a charlatan.
Mullah

New York, NY

#19 Jan 18, 2013
DDR wrote:
Come to think about it, when I was in school, I don't understand the reason and logic behind it when seeing my mom offer candles at an altar. I thought to myself , I don't know if I will do this later once I get married or at my own house. Fortunately, I was able to learn to teachings and reasons behind the practice . Now I also practice it on my own with enthusiasm.
Often , many just assume that people already know the Buddha's teaching without needing to explain or tell about the dhamma. But even very basic things that you do on a daily basis, people should at least explain the whys and how's at least once. Otherwise, the form is there but the essence is lost to others.
Yes, all the incense and statues make some forget that Buddhism honors Buddha and Sangha as THE ultimate teacher(s) of The Dharma.

Everyone else worships god(s) ONLY Buddhists honor the Dharma -- sila, brahma vihars and paramis -- qualities which make god or Buddha, by practicing it day and night and try to perfect these divine qualities within us.

If you are in trouble, Buddha helps rehabilitate you--and once strong in the Dharma, he teaches one how to earn your own merit, meditate to acquire wisdom and be independent and strong.

Buddhism is the only religion where you are taught to be your own master, to become worthy of worship yourself.

All other religions teach enslavement to some god or other without teaching how to become like the god they worship.

“bungai terong”

Since: Mar 08

lantang senang belama

#20 Jan 20, 2013
lelo mu me wrote:
before i used to be a true buddhist like hello but l leaved this satanic religion as soon as i got enlightned.! Many questions arosed in my mind..like Buddhists claim not to worship Buddha, but
millions and millions of Buddhists make
statues of Buddha, and bow before the
statue, praying to him for blessing, fortune
etc. buddhists in many countries also
generally offer food, and joss sticks and
incense to Buddha, as an appeasement
offering.
Prince Gautama said that his own teachings
might be wrong. Prince Gautama told his
believers that A Greater One will come after
himself. Prince Gautama told people that he
is NOT the way.
So when he is not the way so why the hell m i going to that way..so i leave it..and hello i request u too to leave this religion..i dont want u to be the part of hell..love u hello
Now you sounded so much like a liar ;) the passage you copied & pasted is without quotation. I believe you don't even understand what you you are talking about here.

Tell me in which sutta that says 'a greater one will come'? I suppose it was taken from Zakir Naik's book, which he deliberately translated freely edited to suit his readers.

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