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“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#1 Feb 8, 2008
THE ONENESS OF MANKIND
"It is not for him to pride himself who loveth his own country, but rather for him who loveth the whole world. The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens."
--Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh, p. 250.

THE ONENESS OF RELIGION
"All these divisions we see on all sides, all these disputes and opposition, are caused because men cling to ritual and outward observances, and forget the simple, underlying truth. It is the outward practices of religion that are so different, and it is they that cause disputes and enmity -- while the reality is always the same, and one. The Reality is the Truth, and truth has no division. Truth is God's guidance, it is the light of the world, it is love, it is mercy. These attributes of truth are also human virtues inspired by the Holy Spirit."
--'Abdu'l-Bahá, Paris Talks, pp. 120-1.

INDEPENDANT INVESTIGATION OF TRUTH
"Furthermore, know ye that God has created in man the power of reason, whereby man is enabled to investigate reality. God has not intended man to imitate blindly his fathers and ancestors. He has endowed him with mind, or the faculty of reasoning, by the exercise of which he is to investigate and discover the truth, and that which he finds real and true he must accept."
--'Abdu'l-Bahá, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 291.

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#2 Feb 8, 2008
RELIGION AS A SOURCE OF UNITY

"He (Bahá'u'lláh) sets forth a new principle for this day in the announcement that religion must be the cause of unity, harmony and agreement among mankind. If it be the cause of discord and hostility, if it leads to separation and creates conflict, the absence of religion would be preferable in the world."

--'Abdu'l-Bahá, Baha'i World Faith, p. 247.

THE EVOLUTIONARY NATURE OF RELIGION (*PROGRESSIVE REVELATION)

Bahá'ís view religion as a progressive, evolutionary process which needs to be updated as humanity evolves mentally, socially, and spiritually. Every so often a new Prophet is sent to humanity to update religion to the current needs of mankind. These Prophets bring essentially the same spiritual message to mankind; in a form that meets the needs of the people of Their time. Bahá'ís believe that Bahá'u'lláh has brought an updated message for mankind today.

"There is no distinction whatsoever among the Bearers of My Message. They all have but one purpose; their secret is the same secret. To prefer one in honor to another, to exalt certain ones above the rest, is in no wise to be permitted. Every true Prophet hath regarded His Message as fundamentally the same as the Revelation of every other Prophet gone before Him...

The measure of the revelation of the Prophets of God in this world, however, must differ. Each and every one of them hath been the Bearer of a distinct Message, and hath been commissioned to reveal Himself through specific acts. It is for this reason that they appear to vary in their greatness...

It is clear and evident, therefore, that any apparent variation in the intensity of their light is not inherent in the light itself, but should rather be attributed to the varying receptivity of an ever-changing world. Every Prophet Whom the Almighty and Peerless Creator hath purposed to send to the peoples of the earth hath been entrusted with a Message, and charged to act in a manner that would best meet the requirements of the age in which He appeared."

--Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh, pp.78-9.

HARMONY BETWEEN RELIGION, SCIENCE AND REASON

"Religion and science are the two wings upon which man's intelligence can soar into the heights, with which the human soul can progress. It is not possible to fly with one wing alone! Should a man try to fly with the wing of religion alone he would quickly fall into the quagmire of superstition, whilst on the other hand, with the wing of science alone he would also make no progress, but fall into the despairing slough of materialism."

--'Abdu'l-Bahá, Paris Talks, p.143.

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#3 Feb 8, 2008
PEACEFUL CONSULTATION AS A MEANS FOR RESOLVING DIFFERENCES

In the Baha'i Faith, difference of opinion is not squelched, in fact it is encouraged. "The shining spark of truth cometh forth only after the clash of differing opinions."

--Selections from the Writings of 'Abdu'l-Bahá, p.87.

However, differences of opinion can be expressed in a way that doesn't humiliate another human being. The Baha'i principle of consultation requires that an individual be detached from his or her opinions and always be open to the truth, from whoever or wherever it comes from.

"They must then proceed with the utmost devotion, courtesy, dignity, care and moderation to express their views. They must in every manner search out the truth and not insist upon their own opinion, for stubbornness and persistence in one's views will lead ultimately to discord and wrangling and the truth will remain hidden. The honored members (of the consulting body) must with all freedom express their own thoughts, and it is in no wise permissible for one to belittle the thought of another, nay, he must with moderation set forth the truth..."

--Selections from the Writings of 'Abdu'l-Bahá, p.88.

AN INTERNATIONAL AUXILLERY LANGUAGE

"It behoveth the sovereigns of the world -- may God assist them -- or the ministers of the earth to take counsel together and to adopt one of the existing languages or a new one to be taught to children in schools throughout the world, and likewise one script. Thus the whole earth will come to be regarded as one country."

-- Tablets of Bahá'u'lláh, p. 22.

UNIVERSAL EDUCATION

"Unto every father hath been enjoined the instruction of his son and daughter in the art of reading and writing and in all that hath been laid down in the Holy Tablet. He that putteth away that which is commanded unto him, the Trustees of the House of Justice are then to recover from him that which is required for their instruction, if he be wealthy, and if not the matter devolveth upon the House of Justice. Verily, have We made it a shelter for the poor and needy. He that bringeth up his son or the son of another, it is as though he hath brought up a son of Mine; upon him rest My Glory, My Loving-Kindness, My Mercy, that have compassed the world."

-- Tablets of Bahá'u'lláh, p.128.

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#4 Feb 8, 2008
THE ELIMIATION OF ALL FORMS OF PREJUDICE

"...again, as to religious, racial, national and political bias: all these prejudices strike at the very root of human life; one and all they beget bloodshed, and the ruination of the world. So long as these prejudices survive, there will be continuous and fearsome wars."

--Selections from the Writings of `'Abdu'l-Bahá, p.249.

EQUALITY OF MEN AND WOMEN

"To accept and observe a distinction which God has not intended in creation is ignorance and superstition. The fact which is to be considered, however, is that woman, having formerly been deprived, must now be allowed equal opportunities with man for education and training. There must be no difference in their education. Until the reality of equality between man and woman is fully established and attained, the highest social development of mankind is not possible."

--'Abdu'l-Bahá, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p.76.

THE ABOLITION OF THE EXTREMES OF WEALTH AND POVERTY

"O Ye Rich Ones on Earth! The poor in your midst are My trust; guard ye My trust, and be notintent only on your own ease."

--The Hidden Words of Bahá'u'lláh, p.41.

"We see amongst us men who are overburdened with riches on the one hand, and on the other those unfortunate ones who starve with nothing; those who possess several stately palaces, and those who have not where to lay their head. Some we find with numerous courses of costly and dainty food; whilst others can scarce find sufficient crusts to keep them alive. Whilst some are clothed in velvets, furs and fine linen, others have insufficient, poor and thin garments with which to protect them from the cold. This condition of affairs is wrong and must be remedied. Now the remedy must be carefully undertaken."

--'Abdu'l-Bahá, Paris Talks, p.151.

UNIVERSAL PEACE

"The time must come when the imperative necessity for the holding of a vast, an all-embracing assemblage of men will be universally realized. The rulers and kings of the earth must needs attend it, and, participating in its deliberations, must consider such ways and means as will lay the foundations of the world's Great Peace amongst men. Such a peace demandeth that the Great Powers should resolve, for the sake of the tranquility of the peoples of the earth, to be fully reconciled among themselves. Should any king take up arms against another, all should unitedly arise and prevent him. If this be done, the nations of the world will no longer require any armaments, except for the purpose of preserving the security of their realms and of maintaining internal order within their territories."

--Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh, p. 249.
vikram

Hyderabad, India

#5 Apr 3, 2008
Can anybody tell me why people are attracted to bahatullah.He was born in contemporary age and this does seem a bit odd to a person like me that people believe he is messenger of god/god.
no offence meant but i want to know more about bahaais any why bahaiism is a god religion.

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#6 Apr 8, 2008
No offense taken :)

Several hundred years ago (and still even today) Persia being run by a bunch of corrupted religious fananticals who oppressed and plunged the middle east into an age of theological and moral darkness. Baha'ullah was like a lamp, a beacon of light unto the world.

Of course, being one of the youngest of major world faiths-- Bahai'ism recieves alot of skepticism and scrutiny. But lets not forget that the founders of all religions were at one point contemporaries in their time. It is hard to compare to Hinduism simply because while the Bahai Faith is the most recent-- Hinduism is the most ancient, being the single oldest religion still practiced in the world today and its exact origins are still not positively known. But you could compare it to Sikhism (the third youngest major religion)... as it has fairly recent origins. Was not Guru Nanak Dev (who is revered very highly amongst Bahais) a contemporary for his time? Werent his ideas and teachings viewed as controversial and too radical by some?

It is natural to be skeptical of someone who is claimed to be a prophet or messenger of god... however if you were to read the eloquent writings and study the teachings of Baha-ullah all doubt would surely be erased from your mind :)

Feel free to ask me anything that you would like... Of course I will not get offended and I will try my best to answer you :)

Asmara
bahain sucks

UK

#7 Apr 16, 2008
In some ways, I am not sure it is worth responding because you are so angry and you seem very stuck in your point of view. On the other hand I hear your pain and your concern for the pain of others.
I don't like generalizations because they miss the individual perspective. I have seen many people who have been wrongfully diagnosed and I do have concern for people who have been given rather toxic medications which could be a life-saver for some but are a noose around the neck for others. I wonder if some have their first true 'psychiatric episode' in withdrawal from such medications - not unlike the person who has an epileptic seizure in withdrawal from neuroleptics - most people would - it's an expected experience in quick withdrawal.
I have seen people who have found Lithium to be very toxic - others who have had no side-effects and would tell you it saved their life.I understand there is no bipolar illness in the lands where it is naturally in the water system.
Not all psychiatrists are the same either. Some are true despots whose main thrust with clients is: It's my way (take the medication and do as I say) or the highway (I won't see you if you don't just follow my recommendations). There are many others who work closely with the person discussing diagnostic issues and offering education about alternative ways of dealing with their symptoms. Many will encourage a variety of psychological therapies to minimize the use of medications or even replace medications, making managing symptoms more successful.
It would be interesting to know more about where your hurt and anger is coming from, re your experience

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#8 Apr 16, 2008
bahain sucks wrote:
In some ways, I am not sure it is worth responding because you are so angry and you seem very stuck in your point of view. On the other hand I hear your pain and your concern for the pain of others.
I don't like generalizations because they miss the individual perspective. I have seen many people who have been wrongfully diagnosed and I do have concern for people who have been given rather toxic medications which could be a life-saver for some but are a noose around the neck for others. I wonder if some have their first true 'psychiatric episode' in withdrawal from such medications - not unlike the person who has an epileptic seizure in withdrawal from neuroleptics - most people would - it's an expected experience in quick withdrawal.
I have seen people who have found Lithium to be very toxic - others who have had no side-effects and would tell you it saved their life.I understand there is no bipolar illness in the lands where it is naturally in the water system.
Not all psychiatrists are the same either. Some are true despots whose main thrust with clients is: It's my way (take the medication and do as I say) or the highway (I won't see you if you don't just follow my recommendations). There are many others who work closely with the person discussing diagnostic issues and offering education about alternative ways of dealing with their symptoms. Many will encourage a variety of psychological therapies to minimize the use of medications or even replace medications, making managing symptoms more successful.
It would be interesting to know more about where your hurt and anger is coming from, re your experience
Rachid-- why are you stalking me and posting the exact same thing on every single thread? Get a life.
Asmara stalkara

UK

#9 Apr 16, 2008
Asmara wrote:
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Rachid-- why are you stalking me and posting the exact same thing on every single thread? Get me to bed and make love to me,pleeeeease!!.
Ok,first thing first you are a bahaie what about your marrakeshi father? is he bahai too?just curious your first pic i still got it very wide lovely smile you got,please don't lose that smile of yours ,coz i'm going to make you smile more :)lol

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#10 Apr 18, 2008
Asmara stalkara wrote:
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Ok,first thing first you are a bahaie what about your marrakeshi father? is he bahai too?just curious your first pic i still got it very wide lovely smile you got,please don't lose that smile of yours ,coz i'm going to make you smile more :)lol
my parents passed away in an accident when i was young... however they were both Bahais and what exactly is your problem with my religion rachid?

and for your information-- rude pointless insults do not make me smile so if that is your intention you are gonna have to try something else.

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#13 Apr 21, 2008
John-Voxx wrote:
<quoted text>
Asmara,
Is that true ? I am sorry to learn about your parents. I actually came here to leave a link for you.......http://www.topix.net /forum/religion/hindu/T7DQ9LL0 CP7K4ID7V/p5#c93 This might cheer you up as it is being done n light humour.
Asmara, I am deeply sorry about the loss of ur parents you suffered from at a young age.
Sincerely
John
Yes, unfortunately it is. I had to gorw up early... but maybe that wasnt such a bad thing... I thank you for your kind words
John-Voxx wrote:
<quoted text> We can fix up this bum ( Asmara stalkara ) if he persists. Call # B U M B U S T E R S ;-)!
LOL... he is just some fool that trolls and pollutes the Morocco forum... no doubt bored and simply looking for some sort of attention. All he does id post the same exact thing over and over and over... Maybe he finds it cleverly amusing? lol ;)

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#15 May 10, 2008
Asmara wrote:
THE ONENESS OF MANKIND
"It is not for him to pride himself who loveth his own country, but rather for him who loveth the whole world. The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens."
--Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh, p. 250.
THE ONENESS OF RELIGION
"All these divisions we see on all sides, all these disputes and opposition, are caused because men cling to ritual and outward observances, and forget the simple, underlying truth. It is the outward practices of religion that are so different, and it is they that cause disputes and enmity -- while the reality is always the same, and one. The Reality is the Truth, and truth has no division. Truth is God's guidance, it is the light of the world, it is love, it is mercy. These attributes of truth are also human virtues inspired by the Holy Spirit."
--'Abdu'l-Bahá, Paris Talks, pp. 120-1.
INDEPENDANT INVESTIGATION OF TRUTH
"Furthermore, know ye that God has created in man the power of reason, whereby man is enabled to investigate reality. God has not intended man to imitate blindly his fathers and ancestors. He has endowed him with mind, or the faculty of reasoning, by the exercise of which he is to investigate and discover the truth, and that which he finds real and true he must accept."
--'Abdu'l-Bahá, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 291.
It seems that Bahai's put more into worship of Baha'u'llah than they do of God. In the temples the name of Baha'u'llah is most holy...not Allah, the only God.

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#16 May 11, 2008
Timin wrote:
<quoted text>
It seems that Bahai's put more into worship of Baha'u'llah than they do of God. In the temples the name of Baha'u'llah is most holy...not Allah, the only God.
"Baha" was the 100th name of God/Allah to be revealed...

"Baha" translated from Arabic means "Glory or Splendor"

The name "Baha'i" is derived from this word.

The title "Baha'ullah" means "Glory of God" this title was given to Mirza Husayn Ali Nuri because he is believed by Bahai's to be a divine manifestation of Allah.(similiar to the Christian view of Jesus as the son of God)

The name Baha'ullah is considered as important to Bahai's as Mohammed (PBUH) is to Muslims and Jesus is to Christianity.

Furthermore... the calligraphy found in Bahai homes and temples reads: "ya baha'ul'abha!" meaning "o thou glory of the most glorious!" and is a call out to Allah/God... not the prophet.

When Bahai's repeat the greatest name 95 time or during prayer they are not to say "baha'ullah" but "allahu'abha!"

So, I hope that helps to clear up your misunderstanding...

Asmara

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#17 May 11, 2008
Asmara wrote:
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"Baha" was the 100th name of God/Allah to be revealed...
"Baha" translated from Arabic means "Glory or Splendor"
The name "Baha'i" is derived from this word.
The title "Baha'ullah" means "Glory of God" this title was given to Mirza Husayn Ali Nuri because he is believed by Bahai's to be a divine manifestation of Allah.(similiar to the Christian view of Jesus as the son of God)
The name Baha'ullah is considered as important to Bahai's as Mohammed (PBUH) is to Muslims and Jesus is to Christianity.
Furthermore... the calligraphy found in Bahai homes and temples reads: "ya baha'ul'abha!" meaning "o thou glory of the most glorious!" and is a call out to Allah/God... not the prophet.
When Bahai's repeat the greatest name 95 time or during prayer they are not to say "baha'ullah" but "allahu'abha!"
So, I hope that helps to clear up your misunderstanding...
Asmara
Manifestation of Allah? Does that mean God Incarnate? A prophet is one thing , but to claim to be a manifestation of God is blasphemy.

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#18 May 12, 2008
Timin wrote:
<quoted text>
Manifestation of Allah? Does that mean God Incarnate? A prophet is one thing , but to claim to be a manifestation of God is blasphemy.
No-- you misunderdstand the context--

a prophet is a the same as divine messenger or manifestation-- meaning: God is working through or delivering his message to mankind through that person-- NOT that said individual IS God himself.

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#19 May 12, 2008
***correction to typo in earlier posting--

"allahu'abha means: "God the Most Luminous"

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#20 May 12, 2008
Asmara wrote:
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No-- you misunderdstand the context--
a prophet is a the same as divine messenger or manifestation-- meaning: God is working through or delivering his message to mankind through that person-- NOT that said individual IS God himself.
Is it not said that Muhammed is the last prophet? Why do Baha'is pray to Baha'u'llah?

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#21 May 12, 2008
Timin wrote:
<quoted text>
Is it not said that Muhammed is the last prophet? Why do Baha'is pray to Baha'u'llah?
Muslims believe that Mohamed was the last prophet

Bahais-- are not Muslims.

A fundamental of the Bahai faith is Progressive revelation (described in #2)... essentially- there will never be a final prophet as the needs of humanity are ever changing and evolving.

Baha'ullah is not the final prophet-- just the most recent... and as I said already, Bahais DONT pray to Baha'ullah or any of the other prophets-- we simply follow their teachings. We pray ONLY to Allah.

I am wondering were you gained the impression that we worhsip Baha'ullah?

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#22 May 12, 2008
Asmara wrote:
<quoted text>
Muslims believe that Mohamed was the last prophet
Bahais-- are not Muslims.
A fundamental of the Bahai faith is Progressive revelation (described in #2)... essentially- there will never be a final prophet as the needs of humanity are ever changing and evolving.
Baha'ullah is not the final prophet-- just the most recent... and as I said already, Bahais DONT pray to Baha'ullah or any of the other prophets-- we simply follow their teachings. We pray ONLY to Allah.
I am wondering were you gained the impression that we worhsip Baha'ullah?
I live in a small New Mexico town, and the Baha'i group is not too good. Thanks for the info!

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#23 May 12, 2008
Timin wrote:
<quoted text>
I live in a small New Mexico town, and the Baha'i group is not too good. Thanks for the info!
No problem, anytime!... and I hope it helped clear some things up for you :)

Peace.
Asmara

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