Bahais accuse Iran of discrimination after arrest of 7 leaders

May 23, 2008 Full story: MyTELUS 53

Seven Bahai leaders arrested and accused of endangering national security are being persecuted by Iran's government for their religious beliefs, leaders of the minority faith said Thursday.

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Abu Jassem

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#44 Aug 12, 2008
Nawshirawan if I can locate such girl I will keep her form yself , you may see a skech of her.
Go to Kirmanshah , you are a Kirmashani , check around Kirind , Or QasreShirin good chance may be you will meet ANNAHITA great grand .daughter. Then you teach here Ice Hocky no big deal.
Incedently Plenty of very black hair, black eyes beauties are in Irland and Andulucia Spain , The Irish are daughters of Spanish Armada invading force who were to Invade Britian ,but did not , however, they lift lots of their Genes in the womps of the Irish Girls !.
Kaath

Sunnyvale, CA

#45 Sep 30, 2008
Anna wrote:
Iranians have fear that members of these Bahai sect minority will achieve ,,higher spiritual degree,, and they will blow theirselves among crowd of innocent Iranian civilians up. And it is real problem with sects.
This is from Baha'i scripture. Please inform yourself before you speak.

"Should any come to blows with you, seek to be friends with him; should any stab you to the heart, be ye a healing salve unto his sores; should any taunt and mock at you, meet him with love. Should any heap his blame upon you, praise ye him; should he offer you a deadly poison, give him the choicest honey in exchange; and should he threaten your life, grant him a remedy that will heal him evermore. Should he be pain itself, be ye his medicine; should he be thorns, be ye his roses and sweet herbs. Perchance such ways and words from you will make this darksome world turn bright at last; will make this dusty earth turn heavenly, this devilish prison place become a royal palace of the Lord—so that war and strife will pass and be no more, and love and trust will pitch their tents on the summits of the world. Such is the essence of God's admonitions; such in sum are the teachings for the Dispensation of Baha. " -- Abdu'l-Baha

The entire focus of the Baha'i Faith is to serve mankind and to seek unity and concord with even those who seek to destroy us. Yes, that's the trouble with these cults.
Kaath

Sunnyvale, CA

#46 Sep 30, 2008
Marco wrote:
And who did blow their mosque up? Sects and these reserved, isolated religious minorities are always very strange and they are able to unforeseen, unlawful acts.
Baha'is are not isolated. We are your next-door neighbors. We look just like you. We love the same things you love. In fact, we love you. All of you.

It's amazing to me, the sheer hatred in these responses when you have no idea who the Baha'is are.

I am a Bahai. I've been a Baha'i for 34 years. I am a writer and musician and live in the US. I'm a second generation Polish American who loves baseball and rock and roll and science fiction. I have a husband who's a dynamite guitarist. I have three kids. Also Baha'i's, that I'm raising to believe that the best way to serve God is to serve mankind. I'm teaching them to love even the people who think we're some crazy sect of Islam and wear turbans and blow things up oh and stink.
Kaath

Sunnyvale, CA

#47 Sep 30, 2008
Muslim4Life wrote:
bahai are fake shit, crazy bastards. No wonder they stink so much
Question, Muslim4Life: What's crazy about Baha'is or the Baha'i Faith?

And where did you learn such hatred certainly not from the Blessed Prophet Muhammad. He said that no one was a true believer until he desired for his neighbor what he desired for himself. I doubt you want someone to call you a crazy bastard because of your faith or say that your faith is "fake shit."

As I said in another post -- if we could only live by the teachings of the Revealers of our faith the world would be quite a different place. No one would be blowing up houses of worship in the name of God.
Kaath

Sunnyvale, CA

#48 Sep 30, 2008
KRS1 wrote:
whats bahai?i thought all iranians are sounni muslims.
regards from bosnia
Most iranian Muslims are Shi'ih, not Sunni. The differences go back to the early days of Islam. The Baha'i Faith came out of Islam in much the same way that Christianity arose out of Judaism. As Christ Jesus claimed to fulfill the prophecy of Moses that God would raise up a prophet like Moses from among the Hebrews brethren, so the Founders of the Baha'i Faith claimed to fulfill the prophecies in the Torah, Gospels and Qur'an (as well as other scriptures). The Baha'i Faith is now an independent religion -- not a sect of Islam -- with about 7 million members all over the world and a world center in Haifa, Israel. There are about 300,000 Baha'is in Iran though since the revolution, many have fled the country. There is an active Baha'i community in the US, and it is very diverse.

The major articles of faith are the oneness of God, the oneness of religion and the oneness of mankind. The goal of the Faith is to build unity through diversity.
Kaath

Sunnyvale, CA

#49 Sep 30, 2008
SHIRO wrote:
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It is Islam with heavy doses of the French revolution thoughts.
Iran Is Aliol Llahies, we regard ALI as reflection of God on earth.
Sonnies ,? what sonnies never heared that before..
Not sure where you're from Shiro, but no, Baha'i is not as you described it. Please check out my answer to the post you were responding to.

And your answer is unique. I've never heard my faith described as having "French revolution thoughts" whatever those might be.:=)

Iran, as I said, is largely Shi'ih Muslim. Though there are other religious minorities -- Christians, Zoroastrians and Jews to name a few. The Bahai's are the largest minority in Iran.

Peace.
Kaath

Sunnyvale, CA

#50 Sep 30, 2008
Asmara wrote:
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Tha Bahai faith has roots in Shia Islam and specifically a lot of influence from Sufism-- in fact early Bahais were often simultaneaously memebers of various Sufi orders... however Bahais are not anymore Muslim than Christians are Jews.
We just share a common thread.
Thank you, Asmara, for your quiet and concise response. This thread does get wild, doesn't it?

I am amazed at the misconceptions people have of the Baha'i Faith and Baha'is. An Iranian friend told me once that while she was attending junior high school in Tehran, she noticed the Muslim girls in her gym class trying to get around behind her to look at her back when she undressed. She finally asked them why they were doing this. "We wanted to see your tail," they told her. "Our Imam said that Baha'is have tails."
Kaath

Sunnyvale, CA

#51 Sep 30, 2008
illuminati wrote:
I personally dont think them Bahais to be in danger. but I would:nt know for sure , since I aint in Iran.
They are in danger and have been since the beginning of the Faith when 20,000 of them were killed in horrific ways. After that they were persecuted on and off for years (several shrines were destroyed in the 1950's) and then in 1979 when the revolution happened it got really ugly.

The Baha'is were thrown in prison, their institutions were declared illegal and the members of their guiding bodies were abducted and killed. At the low point, the Iranian government hanged a group of Baha'i youth for teaching children's classes. Baha'i marriages were not considered legal, making all Baha'i women prostitutes and all Baha'i children bastards. They lost their jobs, their property, their lives. One of my friends was smuggled out of Iran in a trunk when she was about 15. Her father, a doctor, was among those killed.

Today in Iran, as the article that started this attests, the leadership council of the Bahai's was arrested and has had only minimal contact with their families. Most recently Baha'is homes have been put to the torch in some communities. The government says that they aren't responsible, but who can know? I do know that when Baha'i school children were recently threatened with expulsion, their Muslim teachers and classmates arose to support them.

The Baha'is make an excellent scapegoat because we don't fight back. We don't blow up buses or mosques and we don't take illegal action against our government, as tempting as that might be. Right now Baha'i institutions around the world are trying to get the UN and their own governments to help. To let Tehran know that the world can see what they're doing to their religious minorities.
SHIRO

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#52 Sep 30, 2008
Kaath wrote:
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Not sure where you're from Shiro, but no, Baha'i is not as you described it. Please check out my answer to the post you were responding to.
And your answer is unique. I've never heard my faith described as having "French revolution thoughts" whatever those might be.:=)
Iran, as I said, is largely Shi'ih Muslim. Though there are other religious minorities -- Christians, Zoroastrians and Jews to name a few. The Bahai's are the largest minority in Iran.
Peace.
Iranian thinkers such as Freedul Deen Atar 9th century, Maullana Jelul el deen , Hafiz, Grand SAhikh Muslohul Deen Saadi and their desepell are centuries ahead of Bahulalah.

Of Course the thought of Mulai Haq Ali i9s ahead of all .
I want to Chicago university and had visited with Bahai student the tempel in Evanston Illinois many mant time, Frankly and with due respect Bahullah either was a master plagiarizer or he had no knowledge of Persian thinkers before him .

We are for one religion one world it their to read more eliquently in the Thoughts of Hafez, Saadi, Rumi , Atar , Khayam , Nizami and many many more , Bahullah is political harrasment that is all what it is.
Kaath

Sunnyvale, CA

#53 Oct 2, 2008
SHIRO wrote:
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Frankly and with due respect Bahullah either was a master plagiarizer or he had no knowledge of Persian thinkers before him .
We are for one religion one world it their to read more eliquently in the Thoughts of Hafez, Saadi, Rumi , Atar , Khayam , Nizami and many many more , Bahullah is political harrasment that is all what it is.
Baha'u'llah actually gives due credit to the Persian thinkers who came before Him. Accusing Him of plagiarism is like accusing the Prophet Muhammad of plagiarizing because He included a number of Biblical stories in the Qur'an. Or accusing Christ of plagiarism because He quoted Moses when asked what the greatest commandment was.

Baha'u'llah's persecution was not a case of political harassment. He was a threat to the political structure only insofar as His Faith does not have a clergy. What would happen to the power base of the religious authorities if a significant portion of the Iranian population became Baha'i?

Nor is the persecution of Baha'is today in Iran about our politics. We make good scapegoats because we can be counted on not to fight back violently.
Abu Jassem

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#54 Oct 4, 2008
Islamic geniuses in calling Mohamed the last of Prophet frees mankind from piling up one bogus prophet after another .
Moses failed in letting himself be the last author of the lasst Holy Book , Jesus did it .
Jesus failed in leting himself be the last author of last ,last Holy Book, Mohamed did it !

Now enought of God representation without God`s concent.
Let us all sell our thoughts to mankind for what it is :OUR THOUGHTS , and not plunge God into the mess. For What ever the idea is , and might be ,it will not be perfect for all of mankind any way you look at it.It is time to be independat and free of God so that we can think more objectively

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#55 Jul 13, 2009
Bahram Goor wrote:
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It's really sad to hear that from intelligent guys like u and shiro. I had some friends saying that stuff before they read about what Ali and likes of him really did and who they really were. For example Ali was not a tall handsome man nor a philosopher as they say. In reality he was a short fat ugly arab who had over 150 Iranian wives and murdered hundreds of Iranian rebels.
Please read Bahram Moshiri's upcoming book "Two Disasters, Two Reflections", describing Mongol and Arab attacks on Iran and their consequences. This is Islam, and Islam is made by Arabs and suites them not us.
bahram moshiri is paid by the cia and mossad to defame islam. ali never had 150 wives because 4 is the limit. islam was accepted by the general iranian population steadily. islam is a religion for mankind not only the arabs.
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#56 Jul 14, 2009
isarah wrote:
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bahram moshiri is paid by the cia and mossad to defame islam. ali never had 150 wives because 4 is the limit. islam was accepted by the general iranian population steadily. islam is a religion for mankind not only the arabs.
lets not dig out who Ali was or muhammad or moses
or ABRAHAM thier grand daddy of all semites.
thier books and sayings! which is wow so much they knew everything!?/ these are religious stuff but read between the lines when you read he killed off his enemies with no mercy as did israeli prophet and sages!!? you find out the whole culture of these smitic tribes are based on rude blooletting as they are today !! compare this with sidhartha budha or zarathustra and the way he expresed himself in gathas that is our difference our i mean ARYA folks a sage in our ancient cultures does not shed blood and won,t talk of pitty stuff and I and me and BS LIKE THAT AND KILLING IS A NO NO
you shed blood or order it done like they say moses and mohammad and thier grandfather Abraham did not took part in war but they did order it ?! no matter how evil the other side is if you shed blood you ain,t a man of god(good) or a sage, or
pure of soul.
ps. shiisem is a great improvement in islam as is christianity to judaism ! shiism gave islam "hay o ala khirulamal' strive to do good! this is the soul of ARYAN RELIGIONS you have to do good here in this world that,s you mission as zarathustra said regardless of you vies you race your status shiism adopted part of it and wisdom of reinventing itself this is very complicated stuff
just to say ali ere not a sage is not tyhe whole story to his own kind/tribe he were a sage an salman the persian made hime a sage by writing the book nahjulbalagheh and putting his name on it he could not have written that book he was not a man of pen!!?.

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