Group says six Baha'is detained in Iran

Group says six Baha'is detained in Iran

There are 89 comments on the Manawatu Evening Standard story from May 20, 2008, titled Group says six Baha'is detained in Iran. In it, Manawatu Evening Standard reports that:

The Iranian authorities has detained six members of the Baha'i faith, an offshoot of Islam considered heretical by Iran's Shi'ite Muslim establishment, members of the religious group have said.

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proud black muslimah

Hobbs, NM

#66 Jun 6, 2008
Asmara wrote:
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You are referring to prayer beads... correct? Well, our subhas have 95 stones or beads on them... which is the number or recitations we are supposed to do each day. To my understanding we use them for exactly the same purpose that you would-- although I am pretty sure that the numbers are different.
Our (Muslim) subhas have 99 beads.
You mention progressive revelation in one post, does that mean each prophet brings a more advanced teaching than the prophet before him? Also, what is meant by Baha'u'llah being the promised "one" of all the major religions? The local Baha'is make that claim, and I'm not sure whether it's one of your teachings or not.
OLDmagi

AOL

#67 Jun 10, 2008
Abu Jassem wrote:
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May be yes ,may be no
this persian thinks all semitic/Abrahamic, religions including islam suffer from lack of content,the "OSAREH", SO THEY GO SIDE WAYS TO WHAT IS HALAL/kosher, what is not and they overdo it in TECHNICAL SIDE.simple truth is not thier thing.have you read Gathas or sidharta Budas seven Aryan path, NO TECHNICAL STUFF" you know technicality broke the back of old zorasterian Iran, that includes Kurds, when the old MOBEDAN
cast FORGOT THE REAL SENSE OF ZARATHUSTERA,S MESSAGE.THEY FELL,,ETC, ETC,ETC

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#68 Jun 17, 2008
proud black muslimah wrote:
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Our (Muslim) subhas have 99 beads.
You mention progressive revelation in one post, does that mean each prophet brings a more advanced teaching than the prophet before him? Also, what is meant by Baha'u'llah being the promised "one" of all the major religions? The local Baha'is make that claim, and I'm not sure whether it's one of your teachings or not.
meaning he fulfills the previous prophecies of all the major religions.

We believe that the Bab fulfills the prophecies of Islam being the Madhi foretold by Mohammed.

We believe that Baha'ullah is the second coming of Christ, the Prince of Peace foretold in the Bible. Jesus prophesied Baha'u'llah by name in Mark 8:38:

For whosoever is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him will the Son of man also be ashamed when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.(See also Matthew 16:27, Luke 9: 26).

Jesus spoke Aramaic--the language of the Middle East in His time. So when Jesus spoke of the "Glory of the Father," he didn't use the English for this but rather the Aramaic, word which is "Baha'u'llah."

Jesus says the "Son of man" is ,going to return in "Baha'u'llah," meaning that this "glory of the Father" is going to be a man--the son of a man--and He's going to have holy angels. These holy angels are those that were martyred for the sake of Baha'u'llah's Revelation, just as the apostles were martyred at the time of Jesus .

This is like the name prophecy for Jesus, in which He was prophesied to come as "Immanuel," and He came in the name "Jesus" which meant the same thing in a different language. In our Bible we have the words "Glory of the Father," which means the same as 'Baha'u'llah. " is the way to say glory of God Father in Arabic Persian and Aramaic language Jesus spoke

He was also prophecized in Ezekiel, the Book of Jude, Matthew, Daniel and Isaiah as well... if you like I can provide links to the specific verses.

In Judaism he is the Everlasting Father from the Yuletide prophecy.

In Zoroastrianism he is the return of Shah Bahram Varjavand from the Pahlavi texts.

Shia Islam he is the return of the third Imam, Husayn.

Sunni Islam he is, again, the return of Jesus or Isa.

from Babism Baha'ullah is "he whom God shall make manifest"

In Buddhism, Bahais believe that Baha'ullah fulfills the Buddha's promise that another Buddha known as Maitreya would appear

In Hinduism Baha'ullah is the Kali Avatar foretold to come at the end of the present age Kali Yuga (dark age) and with him would come the start of the Krita Yuga or Golden Age. It is the time when people will return to righteousness and the world will be at peace.

AGAIN... if you would like more specific references I will be happy to provide them.
Proud Black Muslimah

Hobbs, NM

#69 Jun 18, 2008
Asmara wrote:
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meaning he fulfills the previous prophecies of all the major religions.
We believe that the Bab fulfills the prophecies of Islam being the Madhi foretold by Mohammed.
We believe that Baha'ullah is the second coming of Christ, the Prince of Peace foretold in the Bible. Jesus prophesied Baha'u'llah by name in Mark 8:38:
For whosoever is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him will the Son of man also be ashamed when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.(See also Matthew 16:27, Luke 9: 26).
Jesus spoke Aramaic--the language of the Middle East in His time. So when Jesus spoke of the "Glory of the Father," he didn't use the English for this but rather the Aramaic, word which is "Baha'u'llah."
Jesus says the "Son of man" is ,going to return in "Baha'u'llah," meaning that this "glory of the Father" is going to be a man--the son of a man--and He's going to have holy angels. These holy angels are those that were martyred for the sake of Baha'u'llah's Revelation, just as the apostles were martyred at the time of Jesus .
This is like the name prophecy for Jesus, in which He was prophesied to come as "Immanuel," and He came in the name "Jesus" which meant the same thing in a different language. In our Bible we have the words "Glory of the Father," which means the same as 'Baha'u'llah. " is the way to say glory of God Father in Arabic Persian and Aramaic language Jesus spoke
He was also prophecized in Ezekiel, the Book of Jude, Matthew, Daniel and Isaiah as well... if you like I can provide links to the specific verses.
In Judaism he is the Everlasting Father from the Yuletide prophecy.
In Zoroastrianism he is the return of Shah Bahram Varjavand from the Pahlavi texts.
Shia Islam he is the return of the third Imam, Husayn.
Sunni Islam he is, again, the return of Jesus or Isa.
from Babism Baha'ullah is "he whom God shall make manifest"
In Buddhism, Bahais believe that Baha'ullah fulfills the Buddha's promise that another Buddha known as Maitreya would appear
In Hinduism Baha'ullah is the Kali Avatar foretold to come at the end of the present age Kali Yuga (dark age) and with him would come the start of the Krita Yuga or Golden Age. It is the time when people will return to righteousness and the world will be at peace.
AGAIN... if you would like more specific references I will be happy to provide them.
What is the Baha'i definition of "Christ?" On this post you say that Baha'is believe that Baha'u'llah is the return of Christ accoeding to Chrisstianity, yet in post # 37 you say that Baha'is don't believe that Baha'u'llah is the return of Jesus Christ...are there two Christs in your belief? You also state that Bahai's believe that Baha'u'llah is the "fulfillment of all the major religions, so what exactely did this man do to merit such a title?
Proud Black Muslimah

Hobbs, NM

#70 Jun 18, 2008
Pardon my typos!
Christine

United States

#71 Jun 18, 2008
Why are the Ba'hai such a treat to Iran? What is the purpose of their imprisonment? If this happened in Gaza it would be all over the NY Times and News.
Bender

Mount Martha, Australia

#72 Jun 19, 2008
Proud Black Muslimah wrote:
Pardon my typos!
Your what?
Bender

Mount Martha, Australia

#73 Jun 19, 2008
Christine wrote:
Why are the Ba'hai such a treat to Iran? What is the purpose of their imprisonment? If this happened in Gaza it would be all over the NY Times and News.
They are not threat to Iran, they are threat to the izlamic regime.
They are in fact very god people.
Their religon though, is a synthetic religion made by British in Iran at the time of British colonisation of Indian subcontinent. More info required? let me know.
For now know that Bahaii people are better than muslims.
Fatima

United States

#74 Jun 19, 2008
This post is about persecution of Bah'ai in Iran. There are also hundreds of Bah'ai who are missing or illegally detained by the Iranian secret police.

Why is it that people on THIS POST change the topic to the USA? Are Muslims not responsible for anything they do??????
Bender

Mount Martha, Australia

#75 Jun 20, 2008
Fatima wrote:
This post is about persecution of Bah'ai in Iran. There are also hundreds of Bah'ai who are missing or illegally detained by the Iranian secret police.
Why is it that people on THIS POST change the topic to the USA? Are Muslims not responsible for anything they do??????
Fatima khanom,(means lady fatima)
of course muzlims are not responsible for what they do, because they are not mature and many are insane, I dont say this, Koran repeatedly speaks of Insan, which I suppose is same as insane.
You can search Koran on the net. By the way BTW, are you of Bahaii faith?
Have a nice weekend

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#76 Jun 20, 2008
Bender wrote:
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They are not threat to Iran, they are threat to the izlamic regime.
They are in fact very god people.
Their religon though, is a synthetic religion made by British in Iran at the time of British colonisation of Indian subcontinent. More info required? let me know.
For now know that Bahaii people are better than muslims.
The Bahai faith was not created by the british... where on earth did you come up with that? lol
Abu Jassem

Brooklyn, NY

#77 Jun 20, 2008
OLDmagi wrote:
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this persian thinks all semitic/Abrahamic, religions including islam suffer from lack of content,the "OSAREH", SO THEY GO SIDE WAYS TO WHAT IS HALAL/kosher, what is not and they overdo it in TECHNICAL SIDE.simple truth is not thier thing.have you read Gathas or sidharta Budas seven Aryan path, NO TECHNICAL STUFF" you know technicality broke the back of old zorasterian Iran, that includes Kurds, when the old MOBEDAN
cast FORGOT THE REAL SENSE OF ZARATHUSTERA,S MESSAGE.THEY FELL,,ETC, ETC,ETC
Islam is garbage, moslems are garbage ,but not shiasim and Shia , we are special, not as good as Zardushtisim ,but we are trying..
Abu Jassem

Brooklyn, NY

#78 Jun 20, 2008
Asmara wrote:
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The Bahai faith was not created by the british... where on earth did you come up with that? lol
No ,no they were created by a banana and mongo republics in Latine America. WE HAVE PROOFS !

“khamsa ou khamis”

Since: Dec 07

Brooklyn, New York

#79 Jun 20, 2008
Abu Jassem wrote:
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No ,no they were created by a banana and mongo republics in Latine America. WE HAVE PROOFS !
what on earth are you talking about? I am going to just go ahead and assume that was an attempt at humor... ;-)
old magi

AOL

#80 Jun 20, 2008
Proud Black Muslimah wrote:
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What is the Baha'i definition of "Christ?" On this post you say that Baha'is believe that Baha'u'llah is the return of Christ accoeding to Chrisstianity, yet in post # 37 you say that Baha'is don't believe that Baha'u'llah is the return of Jesus Christ...are there two Christs in your belief? You also state that Bahai's believe that Baha'u'llah is the "fulfillment of all the major religions, so what exactely did this man do to merit such a title?
listen bahaullah is soshyant, the old zooasterian messiah who is suppose to come and help folks every 1000 years and so, semites(jews muslims specially christians) took the idea of redeemer
of humanity and came up with mahdi, now hafez told the story of the guy in baghdad who ran out and said "i am a god"!/ in old iranian belief becoming one with the god was not heresy and shiiah and A lavite and DUZE who ar einfluenced by pre-islamic iranian religions have reincarnation beliefs as christians and bahaii,s do, it is a complex set of beliefs..
Black moslems are not very knowlegable about THE RELIGIOUS make up of middle east and reason behind it, I AM SAYING THIS NOT TO PUT THEM DOWN, but you need to learn philosophy/historical reasons behind the religions, retuals are but a way of cementing the main building blocks! do you know what i am saying, religions are complex as any human thought, learn to think.
ps, forgive me for sometimes misspel the english words, it ain,t my language and very hard for us
to master.
Proud Black Muslimah

Hobbs, NM

#81 Jun 20, 2008
old magi wrote:
<quoted text>
listen bahaullah is soshyant, the old zooasterian messiah who is suppose to come and help folks every 1000 years and so, semites(jews muslims specially christians) took the idea of redeemer
of humanity and came up with mahdi, now hafez told the story of the guy in baghdad who ran out and said "i am a god"!/ in old iranian belief becoming one with the god was not heresy and shiiah and A lavite and DUZE who ar einfluenced by pre-islamic iranian religions have reincarnation beliefs as christians and bahaii,s do, it is a complex set of beliefs..
Black moslems are not very knowlegable about THE RELIGIOUS make up of middle east and reason behind it, I AM SAYING THIS NOT TO PUT THEM DOWN, but you need to learn philosophy/historical reasons behind the religions, retuals are but a way of cementing the main building blocks! do you know what i am saying, religions are complex as any human thought, learn to think.
ps, forgive me for sometimes misspel the english words, it ain,t my language and very hard for us
to master.
You never amswered my question: What did this fool (Baha'u'llah) do? What impact has he had on mankind other than starting a cult you morons call a religion? Was he born of a virgin? Did he rise from the dead? Is he God's son like the dumb xians believe their false messiah is? What did this idiot you worship do?
I think the Iranians have the right idea in dealing with Baha'is!
Why I Am Not A Muslim

Round Rock, TX

#82 Aug 10, 2008
Proud Black Muslimah wrote:
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You never amswered my question: What did this fool (Baha'u'llah) do? What impact has he had on mankind other than starting a cult you morons call a religion? Was he born of a virgin? Did he rise from the dead? Is he God's son like the dumb xians believe their false messiah is? What did this idiot you worship do? I think the Iranians have the right idea in dealing with Baha'is!
Proud Black Muslimah says that the Iranians have the right idea when they abuse, imprison and murder Bahais. What a moron!!!
sali

Conder, Australia

#83 Sep 29, 2008
He was never to return, he has come and he has left... There is no crazy beliefs, in the faith.
U guys should now, give up on ur last imam mehdi, who u think is still coming. We he is not, he has come and he has left. They have killed him, just like they killed the rest.. I mean it has been so many years, how long r u guys going to wait, till the next century. lol
sali

Conder, Australia

#84 Sep 29, 2008
No, noone has the right to take people's life. It is not a cult, u people are the cults, not only u kill the bahai's. How about jews, christians, hindus and the others
persevan

AOL

#85 Sep 29, 2008
HOW ABOUT JESUS !!/ IS HE COMMING BACK DON,T TELL ME I WAS WAITING FOR NOTHING!!?.

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