The Episcopal Church: The Way of Balaam

The Episcopal Church: The Way of Balaam

There are 95 comments on the www.virtueonline.org story from Mar 29, 2011, titled The Episcopal Church: The Way of Balaam. In it, www.virtueonline.org reports that:

On January 5, 2008, the new Episcopal Bishop of Nevada was blessed at his consecration by a Muslim Imam, a Hindu chaplain, a Bahai leader, a Jewish Rabbi as well as a Baptist minister and a Roman Catholic bishop.

In June of the previous year in the Episcopal Diocese of Newark, twin boys were baptized in a ceremony that used Jewish and Muslim blessings ...

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“I hate watermelon!”

Since: Dec 10

Stroudsburg, PA

#61 Apr 4, 2011
RevKen wrote:
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She just knows better than to try to offer you the proof that you so desperately demand.
Heck, I'd settle for circumstantial evidence :)

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#62 Apr 5, 2011
Sheryl 1 wrote:
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Heck, I'd settle for circumstantial evidence :)
Great thought, Sheryl.

But, with all due respect, its just the old Popeye quote that matters, "I am that I Am."

The circumstantial evidence is you, yourself.

Rev. Ken

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#63 Apr 5, 2011
RevKen wrote:
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You asked about the origin of evil, Joe.
I did?

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#64 Apr 6, 2011
WotMeWorry wrote:
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None of which changes the fact that I have yet to hear her articulate her understanding of the Gospel.
Come to think of it, I don't recall you stating clearly and in no uncertain terms what you believe the Gospel is.
Isn't that an important role for a Christian, to preach the Gospel?
So lets hear it...
YAWN!!!! http://www.bcponline.org/

TEC Book of Common Prayer - Holy Baptism - Baptismal Covenant (Pages 303-304)

“For this reason...”

Since: Feb 10

Marriage = Man + Woman 4 Life

#65 Apr 6, 2011
T McCabe wrote:
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YAWN!!!! http://www.bcponline.org/
TEC Book of Common Prayer - Holy Baptism - Baptismal Covenant (Pages 303-304)
How about in your own words.

Or can't you speak or think for yourself?

“laugh until your belly hurts”

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#66 Apr 6, 2011
WotMeWorry wrote:
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Proof of what?
She hasn't even articulated what she believes the Gospel of Christ to be yet.
Why would I ask her to prove something she hasn't even said?
the whole point is exactly as i've argued ad-nausium with another poster on these threads.

nobody, neither priest, poet or potter needs to explain to you or to anybody else what they believe the gospel to mean and why. what you need to do is to simply accept what those who know better than you do as the truth... which is something that your seeming arrogance robs you of the ability to do so you make childish demands to be shown the chapter and verse where it can be found rather than reading through the bible until you find it. it leads one to believe that you want to think that you know best.

“laugh until your belly hurts”

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#67 Apr 6, 2011
WotMeWorry wrote:
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How about in your own words.
Or can't you speak or think for yourself?
this always makes me curious, also. can they speak without a script?

“I hate watermelon!”

Since: Dec 10

Stroudsburg, PA

#68 Apr 6, 2011
RevKen wrote:
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Great thought, Sheryl.
But, with all due respect, its just the old Popeye quote that matters, "I am that I Am."
The circumstantial evidence is you, yourself.
Rev. Ken
Thanks - actually, I find that to be a very nice answer :)

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#69 Apr 7, 2011
Sheryl 1 wrote:
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Thanks - actually, I find that to be a very nice answer :)
Sheryl,

The fact that you appreciate and comprehend the significance of your own intelligence is the fundamental key. It is a contemplation of "self-awareness." Once considered, it is an infinitely sourced point of revelation of the joy of life. But, of course, it is also an acknowledged understanding of life's difficulties, sacrifices, inequities and tragedies.

We humans used to think that we are the only earth-based organisms that do this - have these understandings. Of late, we have realized that there are other species that are "self-aware" or at least show the initial stages of such awareness.

All of the Great Apes, chimps, bonobos, gorilla and orangutan have this faculty. Elephants. Certain whales, porpoises and dolphins. Even some birds have the ability to express a recognizable level of self-identity. Certain cats, dogs, horses and pigs can also show remarkable instances of reasoning.

There are even documented instances of spiders making complex plans and then following them out. Is it thought? It is certainly a primitive form of thought, even if it is not likely that a spider will sit up and offer conversation about the weather.

The point is that life itself is intelligence itself. Also, that as the organism becomes more complex in its behavior and capabilities, its evolution as an individual and as a species naturally wends toward an ever higher degree of intelligence.

The next question logically becomes whether or not any of the individually demonstrated intelligence is shared at some level with all other intelligence. In other words is it communicative and intuitive at a subconscious level. The existence of the very faculty of love would say that it is.

Finally, we have to ask ourselves why consciousness and intelligence exists at all. I am not talking about adaptive behavior for the sake of survival or the propagation of species, though these are significant drives. I am simply asking about consciousness.

In terms of our most modern understandings of quantum energy and particle physics, in terms of our most modern understandings of thermodynamics and in terms of our most modern realizations of inorganic and organic chemistry, consciousness and intelligence appear to be natural and inevitable aspects of the manifestation of matter and energy.

If life is a fluke, it is an inevitable fluke. It is a fluke that has to happen and continue to happen infinitely. Compound this fluke across the infinite reaches of billions of galaxies and the eons through which they have already existed in our own universe. compound it through dark matter and dark energy - that which we already know exists and can't yet prove.

So, you see, the idea that God really exists and that you, yourself, are the actual living, conscious, circumstantial evidence of this otherwise subjectively proved reality is really quite simple and not far-fetched at all.

Likewise, it is not so far-fetched to understand that Christ Jesus became so completely aware of himself that the very nature of intelligence and consciousness at every level also recognizes him in the moment that we call "now." In a sense, He became, has become, more than the sum of his parts and, as a fully self-conscious and God-conscious being, survived the end of what we know to be physical life.

Atheist or not, we are invited to join him.

Rev. Ken

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#70 Apr 7, 2011
WotMeWorry wrote:
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How about in your own words.
Or can't you speak or think for yourself?
Did you notice that the person making the Covenant has responses to questions and makes affirmative statements? I made both the responses and the statements contained in the liturgy, they are my beliefs.

How I define them is open to the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in my spiritual development. Mysteries of faith have no definitions. There is no way to define God.

You don’t understand that because you define god as a series of books. Dear sweet Alfred that is an idol you worship.

“For this reason...”

Since: Feb 10

Marriage = Man + Woman 4 Life

#71 Apr 7, 2011
T McCabe wrote:
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Did you notice that the person making the Covenant has responses to questions and makes affirmative statements? I made both the responses and the statements contained in the liturgy, they are my beliefs.
How I define them is open to the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in my spiritual development. Mysteries of faith have no definitions. There is no way to define God.
You don’t understand that because you define god as a series of books. Dear sweet Alfred that is an idol you worship.
In other words, you can read and verbalize the statements contained in the liturgy over and over again in a ritualistic sense but you can't pin down what the words actually mean.

And you call this inability to articulate your belief in any meaningful way "faith" in the "Mysteries" of a God which cannot be "defined".

But you don't stop there.

You go further and assert that any "Christian" who claims otherwise, that they can define and articulate the tenets of their faith, are "idol" worshipers.

Does that about sum it up?

“For this reason...”

Since: Feb 10

Marriage = Man + Woman 4 Life

#72 Apr 7, 2011
RevKen wrote:
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Likewise, it is not so far-fetched to understand that Christ Jesus became so completely aware of himself that the very nature of intelligence and consciousness at every level also recognizes him in the moment that we call "now." In a sense, He became, has become, more than the sum of his parts and, as a fully self-conscious and God-conscious being, survived the end of what we know to be physical life.
The Gospel of Christ Buddha as given by "Reverend" Ken.

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#73 Apr 7, 2011
WotMeWorry wrote:
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In other words, you can read and verbalize the statements contained in the liturgy over and over again in a ritualistic sense but you can't pin down what the words actually mean.
And you call this inability to articulate your belief in any meaningful way "faith" in the "Mysteries" of a God which cannot be "defined".
But you don't stop there.
You go further and assert that any "Christian" who claims otherwise, that they can define and articulate the tenets of their faith, are "idol" worshipers.
Does that about sum it up?
Your worship of a series of books is indeed idolatry. Objects are not gods. That is correct.

“For this reason...”

Since: Feb 10

Marriage = Man + Woman 4 Life

#74 Apr 7, 2011
T McCabe wrote:
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Your worship of a series of books is indeed idolatry. Objects are not gods. That is correct.
In what way do I "worship" a series of books?

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#75 Apr 8, 2011
WotMeWorry wrote:
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The Gospel of Christ Buddha as given by "Reverend" Ken.
Really, Wot?

Are you a student of the Buddhist idea - to the extent that you are able to informatively draw such a parallel?

Or are you just mouthing off from a position of ignorance?

RK

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#76 Apr 8, 2011
RevKen wrote:
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Really, Wot?
Are you a student of the Buddhist idea - to the extent that you are able to informatively draw such a parallel?
Or are you just mouthing off from a position of ignorance?
RK
Isn't it always ignorance bordering on stupidity?

If truth is contained in a book and not online, wot doesn't know about it......

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#77 Apr 8, 2011
WotMeWorry wrote:
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In what way do I "worship" a series of books?
LOL - Read posting #73 again.
Think Again

Warsaw, NC

#78 Apr 8, 2011
WotMeWorry wrote:
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The Gospel of Christ Buddha as given by "Reverend" Ken.
Why do you bother even reading the so-called rev's diatribe? I stopped long ago.

His theology is a melting pot of anything and everything.
Rich

Chicago, IL

#79 Apr 8, 2011
Baabs wrote:
Of Course we worship the same God know by different names and forms throughout planet earth. Who beleives differently only wishes to present his concept of God in a superior way.
Your soul is in peril. You are not sealed by the Spirit of God, my friend.
Rich

Chicago, IL

#80 Apr 8, 2011
There is no other Savior than Jesus Christ, the King of kings and Lord of lords!

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